Andy Soying Out
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Millennials and zoomers fried their brains on video games and now can't conceptualize a story without it literally being a video game.
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LordOfZhbagva
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What I'm interested in is - if we removed video games from the equation and just raised people on LitRPG's, how would their fiction look like? How many cultural and esthetic vestiges would they carry over and for how long?
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I think pretty well all in all. LitRPGs are just fantasy come full circle, where modern computer RPGs evolved from tabletops which evolved from war/strategy games + fantasy novels, to where now you have fantasy novels that are inspired by RPG video games. If you take away the stat bricks and the video game mechanics LitRPGs are just fantasy formatted in a specific way that make use of specific tropes. Of course the quality of the writing matters but that's the case for any genre. You would still have a lot of them following the monomyth with the whole
> $HERO in $PLACE
> $EXTERNAL_FORCE perturb's hero's peace
> $CALL_TO_ACTION
> $UNCERTAINTY
> $MENTOR figure talks to hero
> $HERO leaves on $ADVENTURE to do $THING
cadence, so the aesthetics of classical fantasy would still endure. Most of them are medieval themed and carry many classical fantasy elements. I like LitRPG because it kind of dispenses with the pretence of trying to be super duper original, it just takes a trope-heavy skeleton and piles the originality on top of that, which all fantasy ultimately does but doesn't like to admit as readily.
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Worse, millennials and zoomers are so blackpilled they can't even fantasize about success anywhere except a videogame. We went from there being real adventurers, heroes, explorers --> couch potatoes read stories / play games and imagine having adventures --> couch potatoes read books / watch Chinese cartoons and imagine winning a videogame.
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Started reading The Lies of Locke Lamora last week (it came up for the voot twice but lost). I'm hatewatching the other Fat Pat from time to time, and pedditors brought up Scott Lynch's (allegedly) exemplary behavior regarding his unfinished trilogy. Well...
"fuck this book with full force in pussy, mouth and ass"
This is now only the third book I've dropped in 5 or so years, and in one of the other two the "hero" had his dog pop the cherry of his girlfriend. I hate everyone. And I hate dropping books, but today being June 22 gave me some needed perspective.
*Moonbaer*
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Fantasy Steam Punk is pretty neat
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It’s also the only genre that usually has niiice hardcover books. I got a copy of Clockwork Lives and Clockwork Destiny and they are absolutely beautiful books. One day I should read the first book in the trilogy but the cover is embarrassing in comparison with the other two.
Edit: well I went down a rabbit hole and now I'm checking out Mainspring by Jay Lake, where a clockmaker's apprentice was ordered by an archangel to find and rewind the main spring of the earth otherwise all life will cease
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I hope you're wrong. I enjoy LitRPGs as they are a good light read/listen for more tired day and there are some really good writers making those (Dungeon Crawler Carl and The Wandering Inn come to mind), I just can't help but think that this is the same thing that a lot of early 20th century pulp fiction came off back in the day to some people. I ain't saying the whole genre is perfect (with pulp fiction we have a century long filter ensuring the trash remained forgotten while the stars lived on) but it has proven me wrong enough times to make me give it the benefit of a doubt even if I dismiss those more times than I care to count. And that fucking awful romantasy smut trend that BookTok is constantly gooning over sure as hell gives it some points for at least not being more of that fucking shit.
Vidya and tabletop have their influences but ultimately it is used as a mechanical framework to further justify the story and setting, the writing itself tends to take it surprisingly seriously to the point where in some cases I wanna call it anti-millennial writing. Absurd situations but the protagonists take them completely seriously and try to understand the RPG system thrust upon them while doing their best to not die horribly in a new and unfamiliar world. It ain't just brainrot but a fun idea being executed well and being a fresh breath from the sea of middle aged woman's gooning material and politically driven slop at worst, and an actually interesting read at best.
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Is the reader for Colonel Kassad (Hyperion) the voice actor for the Pharaoh from Yugioh? Dan Green / Jay Snyder? Took me halfway through before I looked it up...
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He is credited on Audible as being one of the narrators and ChatGPT confirms he did indeed voice Kassad. And I thought Marc Vietor, aka Croaker from the Black Company audiobooks being the primary narrator and also the Consul was wild. Guess Hyperion just can't help but be great.
Edit: I should add that Marc Vietor's narration of the journey of the pilgrims and the overall state of Hyperion as the story goes on is one of the best sleep aids I've ever gotten. Even at his worst Dan Simmons was fantastic at worldbuilding and Hyperion is him at his best. It is pure fucking bread and butter.
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Awesome. I had wondered why the voice was so familiar and couldn't place it.
Old King Koaleamos
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I vaguely remember that Jeter and Blaylock were relevant earlyish steampunk writers from the 70s-80s, iirc. After Moorcock started the subgenre with Nomad of the Time Stream.
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I think the issue with LitRPG is that it doesn't really have the sheer variety that pulps have. Remember, a lot of the major writers that came out of the pulps were on a literary diet of classics. Modern writers? Not so much. I don't really like litrpg stuff and prefer to use my time in reading genre fiction from before 2000 or so.
I will say that, based on what I've read of litrpg and all the asian comics that use litrpg stuff, it's usually pretty straightforwardly simple.
The problem with old pulps is that we've only really started to look at them through a proper critical lens in the past 40 years or so. I'll admit that there were attempts beforehand, but that always got sucked into the high culture/low culture conflict.
The pulps produced Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler, Ray Bradbury, Clark Ashton Smith, H. P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, Philip K. Dick, Kurt Vonnegut, and so many other legitimately notable writers. Even the B-list of pulp writers is pretty respectable once you dive into them. The real issue is that people simply don't read on the scale they used to, as the variety of popular entertainment that's easily accessible outweighs reading. Even with books being easier to access.
I'd say my issue with litrpg is that it's subject to today's "literary inbreeding". Writers, for the most part, aren't as widely read as they were in the pre-internet age.
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I was gonna suggest this cause of how American it is, but it ain't really sci fi aside from multiple worlds/dimensions and time travel.
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I ain't a gambling man, I would put in on Starship Troopers and then probably lose it all.
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I don't know if this changes anyone's vote, or even if an author's immoral behavior is even pertinent to the thread, but MRK is a fervent defender of multiple pedophiles members of NAMBLA (like author Samuel Delany) and the couple Walter Breen Jr and Marion Zimmer Bradley (convicted of raping many children, including their own son and daughter.
And as ex-president of SFWA, she directly attempted to destroy KF by personally granting fat lolcow Patrick Tomlinson the US$200k that he used to sue Josh, Quasi and other 58 John Does.
My personal 2 cents: this bitch isn't worthy of a place in hell, let alone in this list.
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Wait what, didn't we just read Starship Troopers last fall?
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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a very good book that I would recommend to anyone, but I'm open to arguments in regards to why it qualifies as AMERICA! While certainly the struggle between the Loonies and the people on Earth attempting to exert control has "taxation without representation" parallels, as best I recall the Loonies are bigamists and commies. Maybe I'm just looking for a fight.
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Patrick S. Tomlinson is the best science fiction author of our generation, and his prose puts Harlan Ellison and Frank Herbert to shame.
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I would say The Long Earth would be more American as the core of the story has the American aegis stretch into all of the parallel earths.
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Moon is not easy book. Narration in broken English, representing of mixed language on Luna. Also have many Russian words, Gospodin Kiwi. But book would not be same without. Weird on sex and religion, not big surprise, but restrained by Heinlein standards. Am recommending, da.
Also, is very American book. Loonies start libertarian revolution, declare independence from Earth July 4, 2076, use suspiciously familiar wording.