Ask men why they do things the way they do and maybe you'll get an honest answer

[General Patton]

I also read on this forum some guy saying there are no good women where he lives, when I told him that this means he thinks that hundreds (if not thousands of women) are not worthy of him, he coped by saying they are all trashy single moms; the point is that we all have a range, and if you don't like the men/women you can get within your range then either get better or accept what you are.

I knew a MGTOW guy with obvious autism problems who used to say that kind of twaddle, and he blamed all his own dumbass problems on the opposite sex, trashing all women on dating sites while being some pretentious sperg who actually thought he was better.

He wasn't. He had zero social skills and couldn't hold a job because he couldn't get along with any of his coworkers.

All of his friends were all men.

Do I really need to say he was clearly an autistic gay guy? It's huge delusions.

 

[Squanto Airi]

40K or Fantasy (Age of Sigma retards gtfo)

Fantasy.

Fellow men with beards: what combs and trimmer do you use to keep your beard looking well groomed and not raggedy?

 

[Agarathium1066]

Fantasy.

Fellow men with beards: what combs and trimmer do you use to keep your beard looking well groomed and not raggedy?

I use a pair of trimming scissors for keeping my beard from getting split ends. Try to trim your facial hair to accentuate your jawline if possible even just with electric trimmers. Consider something like a beard conditioner or beard oil too. Just make sure the scent doesn't irritate you or anyone you want close to you.

 

[74164978231]

And back to doing the dishes, if she comes home and all the dishes are there and husband hasn’t done them and has played video games, her response is not ‘hey baby let’s fuck’ it’s ’fucks sake another fucking thing to do.’ That is how doing the dishes gets you laid. ‘I did the dishes darling, you’ve had a bad day, come here, let’s have a cuddle’ NOT going after her like a Randy jack russel, when she’s on her last bit of tether with exhaustion. just the minimum amount of wooing. Wry few women are instantly in the mood when they’re tired and stressed, they need a bit of decompression time.

The last thing that is going to get a woman to fuck you is her nagging you about doing X, then you doing X after being nagged about it. You basically just failed a shit test.

More to the point, getting to a point in a relationship where you two are bitching about dishes points to deeper issue.

One is presenting it as the man deciding everything and the other where the man decides nothing. Neither is completely true, relationships are about push and pull, compromise. Some relationships are more one than the other but there are none where it's either extreme. Those either don't last or are so miserable not even people outside the relationship can stand being around them anymore.

Very much true. The problem in the modern era is women believe by and large relationships need to be 50/50 in their favor. Dishes, trash, laundry etc. needs to be split right down the middle. God forbid you divide up household labor and one person does X and the other does Y.

Even things that take zero effort they bitch about now. Paying bills is like climbing mount everest to them. The horror of setting up autopay.

Sometimes I'll skim through some posts here and I have to genuinely wonder if men truly have the ability to love women or if we're all just pussies with legs to men. Not even asking in a judgemental, bitter way, since honestly I just feel very apathetic towards the whole thing. Just plain curiosity

As a guy whose been single for some time and dated and talked to women on a more personal level to try and understand their lives, more and more modernwomen have nothing to offer other than vaginas.

Theyre a drain on your wallet because they expect you to ubereats them lunch or are following whatever dumb consoomer trend is popular(labubus, stanley cups etc.)
Theyre a drain on your patience because theyre constantly complaining about the dumbest thing or giving you shittests
Theyre a drain on your time because they cant cook or do any of life's basic tasks, expect you to plan everything etc.
Theyre not really connecting with you as a person because more and more of them sit around doom scrolling social media while some god awful show plays

The reality is if you are a well to do man with his life in order, the only thing a woman has to offer you is companionship(this isnt strictly sex, but general intimacy)/kids. Now if you want to stand out as a woman and really endear yourself to a man, then being able to cook a good meal, enjoy the samething he does on top of that companionship is the key.

If you keep running into dudes who really do treat you like nothing more than a vagina with legs, well than thats on you for selecting shitty man after shitty man.

 

[Waffle Iron]

Even things that take zero effort they bitch about now. Paying bills is like climbing mount everest to them. The horror of setting up autopay.

While it's not a big effort, things like paying bills (a lot of them cant be set to autopay) are the menial tasks that always cost me more mental effort than I like. Having to sit down, go through the slow bank authentication screens, type out the transfer, triplecheck everything so I send it to the right address, and then confirming the payment is an annoying chore. If someone else would do all those things for me, it would be great, even if the effort is like 30 minutes a month. But if you're with someone you love, dumping those chores onto their shoulders that you hate isn't very loving. If you want them to clean the toilet, only to piss all over their hard work. You can at least make it up by picking up some other chores.

 

[74164978231]

While it's not a big effort, things like paying bills (a lot of them cant be set to autopay) are the menial tasks that always cost me more mental effort than I like. Having to sit down, go through the slow bank authentication screens, type out the transfer, triplecheck everything so I send it to the right address, and then confirming the payment is an annoying chore. If someone else would do all those things for me, it would be great, even if the effort is like 30 minutes a month. But if you're with someone you love, dumping those chores onto their shoulders that you hate isn't very loving. If you want them to clean the toilet, only to piss all over their hard work. You can at least make it up by picking up some other chores.

The vast majority of bills you pay you pay regardless if you're in a relationship. You suddenly no longer have a rent or mortgage because you're single?

I'll just never understand it.

 

[Overly Serious]

Very much true. The problem in the modern era is women believe by and large relationships need to be 50/50 in their favor. Dishes, trash, laundry etc. needs to be split right down the middle. God forbid you divide up household labor and one person does X and the other does Y.

Feminists degraded housework and other domestic work in the value system of society. Making women feel low-value if they did it and men take it for granted. Whereas staying on top of all that life stuff - cleaning, healthy food, paying bills, minding kids - is not easy either.

There have always been people who take their partner's work for granted in any historical age - whether women who spend money recklessly with no appreciation for what is done to earn it (and sometimes this is reversed), men who never notice the time spent cleaning or treat their partner like a maid or anything else. But Feminists actively drove a view that domestic work was somehow lowly and this has affected how both men and women value it. Probably because most Feminists were Middle Class women who didn't have to do that much of it or grew up never having to do it, and therefore don't appreciate how hard it is.

Also, related to what @Waffle Iron said, bills and finances were often the woman's work in a traditional household. Man comes home, tired, drops the pay packet onto the table, wife scoops it up and takes care of paying the milkman, paying the gas, stocking the fridge, mysterious new hat, getting kids clothes and all the other financial side of things.

Anyway, ultimately a lot of this comes down to not valuing work properly. And whilst it's certainly not all traceable to Feminist movements, that's a part of it. I remember a woman twenty years ago saying she was "just a housewife". Once, there would not have been a "just" in that sentence.

People are people. Some good, some bad, some selfish, some martyrs. It is a mistake to look at the other side and think this lines up with the opposite sex simply because that's your own perspective.

The correlation with sex isn't mistreating your partner, but the ways in which people do it.

 

[General Patton]

People are people. Some good, some bad, some selfish, some martyrs. It is a mistake to look at the other side and think this lines up with the opposite sex simply because that's your own perspective.

The problem is, from what I've seen, extremists are incapable of doing this. And yes, any extremists. They have no common sense. Sadly.

 

[Otterly]

Probably because most Feminists were Middle Class women who didn't have to do that much of it or grew up never having to do it, and therefore don't appreciate how hard it is.

Agree with the whole post, and just want to pick this bit out because it relates to immigration as well - we can’t possibly scrub our own toilets and mind our own kids, that’s what the Filipino nanny and polish cleaner are for! And so you get the people with power voting /acting on a way that allow them to import a slave class via mass immigration, which then fucks over the working classes who now have their jobs undercut and still have to scrub their own toilets and watch their own kids because they can’t afford a nanny and a cleaner. Can’t have them target us though, let’s frame it as a man/woman or feminism issue to distract them!
I know i bang on about it endlessly, but when you stop looking at this through a man v woman or any of the other ‘allowed’ lenses you realise that so many of these problems have the same kind of root. The one thing you’re NOT allowed to question, class, and the real structures of power.
It amuses me that I’m seen as some kind of right wing nazi for being on here when I have opinions like this.
The feminism movement has devalued what was previously seen as valuable work ‘for the family unit.’
The Industrial Revolution changed a lot and I don’t think we’ve really adjusted. Almost all the labour of the family went TO the family. Both parents worked, in the home or around it but there was less distinction - man tilling the fields, women following behind binding the corn up, women did agricultural work, small family businesses were ‘work for the family.’ As soon as that turned into a factory or office job AWAY from the home there was suddenly this shift from all that labour being for family to now being mainly for ‘an employer’ and that put a big divide between women and men’s work - we actually have a thread on this somewhere with a lot of very thoughtful posts.
I’m not even in favour of eating the rich, but I would like them to stop avoiding taxes and entirely quit the social engineering

 

[Pedophobe]

Fantasy.

Fellow men with beards: what combs and trimmer do you use to keep your beard looking well groomed and not raggedy?

I just use a "self-sharpening" entry-level Philips trimmer. It works well but I've only had it for about six months so I don't know really how durable it is.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Incredible how this has gotten so twisted in such a short time. Feminism didn't devalue household work. Feminism pointed out that household work was devalued.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Don't those map your house and sell that info to amazon? No, thank you!

If you root one with Valetudo, they don't. However this is a a gigantic pain in the ass.

 

[Spunt]

I know i bang on about it endlessly, but when you stop looking at this through a man v woman or any of the other ‘allowed’ lenses you realise that so many of these problems have the same kind of root. The one thing you’re NOT allowed to question, class, and the real structures of power.

I've hung around this thread and the femoid advice thread in BP, and what sticks out to me is that about 80% of the problems that people have with the opposite sex is not a man/woman problem, it's a shit person problem. There have always been shit people. Maybe there are more shit people than there used to be. Because of some biology and more often due to culture/socialisation, men and women have a tendency to express their shitness in different ways, but the fundamental problem is the same. This then gets picked up on by toxic political movements who want to blame one sex for the problem rather than admit that it's society/culture that is the problem, as well as inherent flaws in the human species.

Look at Borderline Personality Disorder. There's a cultural perception that it's overwhelmingly a woman problem, but it isn't. It's just that men express it differently and it's not picked up on. As a classic example of a man with BPD look at Ethan Ralph. He has every hallmark of BPD, the splitting, burning bridges with friends, unstable relationships, domestic abuse, blaming others for abandoning/betraying him when it's his own actions that caused it, addiction, constantly moving house, failure to take responsibility for his actions, the whole nine yards. But because he's a guy it just doesn't get picked up on by most people. Andy Ditch clearly has Munchausen's Syndrome, he has every hallmark, but people don't remark on it because people think it's a woman problem. Conversely, women with autism don't get diagnosed/recognised as much as men because it's commonly thought of as a guy thing when it isn't. It's just that autistic women write interminable Dr Who/Twilight fanfics rather than obsessing about Wehrmacht division formations. Same problem, different expression.

And of course men and women tend to abuse their partners in different ways. Women will plot, manipulate and psychologically torment their partners, men will just hit them. But that's not gender, that's the dynamic when one partner has more physical strength than the other. The abuser will play to their strengths. Lesbian relationships are notorious for their sky-high levels of domestic violence, because one partner is bound to be more physically capable than the other - suddenly it's not a male problem after all. It's a shithead problem.

The dating market is total hell for everyone involved. I suggested that once in the femoid advice thread, saying that being ignored and rejected for years on end is soul-crushing and can cause real depression and suicide, and Lidl Drip flipped out at me because she was convinced women's experiences were worse and moids deserved no sympathy and needed to die. Her raw hatred for the men that wouldn't fuck her clouded her ability to see anything from their perspective. Don't be Lidl Drip.

Before you say "men/women are terrible because they do x" pause and think whether the opposite is true, just not in a way you might think at first. You'd be surprised at how often it is.

 

[BoneAppleTeeth]

Germaine Greer was right when she said women have no idea how much men hate them. It’s not been a very pleasant realisation but I suppose it’s always better to open your eyes and face reality as it is.

That is funny to read considering a bri'ish woman was convicted of making 20 false accusation against a cancer stricken Parkison patients recently: Cancer-stricken pensioner, 71, with Parkinson's disease spent three months in prison after his carer falsely accused him of making threats to rape and kill her

It is also erroneous to take internet posts seriously. Hopefully this won't come off as crude but you have 25k posts on an internet forum; it might be time to unplug from the internet for a while

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

The one thing you’re NOT allowed to question, class, and the real structures of power.

Class warfare and the class question is not something you're not allowed to question. People do it all the time.
And coming from as close as you can to a classless society it's not the root cause of anything.
It's easy to draw up lines and bundle them together and think by getting rid of the spot they all join the problem will be fixed

I think the man v women problem is a self healing problem and not the cause of a conspiracy.
It's caused by inaccurate perspectives of the self and others in general population. The observer has all the excuses, the observed is never given the benefit of the doubt. Men are all sadistic rape apes, Women are all Machiavellian misanthropes. Except if you're a woman or a man then you're just a victim of your environment. Nobody seems to realize that most people are mediocre, observer included and that's okay.

This is gonna sound autistic but it's the only way I can articulate it. You have WW2 Japan. Many men having committed or been complicit in some of the most vile atrocities known to man. Meanwhile the women had to whore themselves out for a can of bacon to the people who just curbed stomped your nation in despite the crimes committed in an attempt to win. You have this defeated nation with lots of the men and women being genuinely "dirty" yet life went on, nation got rebuilt, families were made. Yes not everyone of those was healthy, yes people were fucked up. No the point is that didn't stop them.
The idea of an end of history has entered the common mind, everyone thinks in excuses, in exceptions. Good things only happen in spite. Don't bother wanting things cause you'll never get them. I think in reality there is nothing that wrong with men or women it's just that nobody wants to see it. But those that do want to see it will get to be happy, have kids and the ones who don't will get filtered. And the next generations will have new and interesting problems of their own.

 

[Waffle Iron]

The vast majority of bills you pay you pay regardless if you're in a relationship. You suddenly no longer have a rent or mortgage because you're single?

I'll just never understand it.

You say yourself you don't mind splitting chores in half by type, rather than splitting one chore in half. What if she wants you to handle all bill payments? Apparently for her it's a big enough chore that she wants to offload it on you, so she might do something she doesn't mind doing so much on her own.

and what sticks out to me is that about 80% of the problems that people have with the opposite sex is not a man/woman problem, it's a shit person problem

People do tend to live together with the opposite sex. So managing a household together ends up being a man/woman thing, rather than a living-together-with-another-person thing. So "man sits on his ass/woman keeps nagging" turns into a man/woman problem, rather than "my bro sits on his ass/my pal keeps bitching about dishes"

edit: also I dont think a woman asking you to take out the trash is trying to shitest you to see if youre a beta male she can push around. I think she just wants the garbage bag out of the house, and she's busy folding laundry herself.

 

[74164978231]

You say yourself you don't mind splitting chores in half by type, rather than splitting one chore in half. What if she wants you to handle all bill payments? Apparently for her it's a big enough chore that she wants to offload it on you, so she might do something she doesn't mind doing so much on her own.

Again I don't see the struggle here. Paying the cable or electric or water bills isn't anymore taxing because two people live in my house v just me.

Imo this is like bitching about leaving the toilet seat up. It's such a non factor that it shouldn't even be considered work but if it is you have some serious problems.

And of course men and women tend to abuse their partners in different ways. Women will plot, manipulate and psychologically torment their partners, men will just hit them. But that's not gender, that's the dynamic when one partner has more physical strength than the other. The abuser will play to their strengths. Lesbian relationships are notorious for their sky-high levels of domestic violence, because one partner is bound to be more physically capable than the other - suddenly it's not a male problem after all. It's a shithead problem.

Women commit physical abuse a rate close to men do. It's just not seen as a problem or horrific thing when it happens to men.

For example where are all the battered men's shelters? Why isn't it talked about how much support a man needs to leave an abusive relationship? Because society doesn't care.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Women commit physical abuse a rate close to men do. It's just not seen as a problem or horrific thing when it happens to men.

We don't even have good numbers on it because it's just so normalized. A woman abuses a man and everyone, men included, ask what he did to deserve it. If he complains he's insulted and not taken seriously.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Incredible how this has gotten so twisted in such a short time. Feminism didn't devalue household work. Feminism pointed out that household work was devalued.

Feminism is just a meaningless term. Feminism wanted woman suffrage, we got woman suffrage in the first part of the 20th century. It was the thing that was universal across all parts of the political spectrum. Left or right, authoritarian or libertarian. Yet a century and in some case a century and change we got feminists out there even though nobody is arguing against female suffrage, not in anyway that will enact change. Instead feminism is everything from domestic disputes about taking out the trash to climate change. Feminism just means activism done by women at this point.
Feminism is not a real political device or goal. It is simply a coat of paint that allows a small group of women to amass political capital from a large group of women. Every feminist thing is a self raising aristocracy built off a female identity. It's a politician that doesn't care about you or women in general telling you to support them cause women are special and by extent she is special. Every wave of feminism is simply a new group of those aristocrats taking the reigns of power. Every time you see a feminist thing simply ask yourself who's political career and wallet that feminist thing is raising.

 

[Burning Bridge]

I wonder this too. I find it genuinely depressing that it seems to be an almost universal opinion, and I will be honest, it’s changed how I view men in general since I’ve been on here.

This goes both ways. I didn't realize how misandrist the average woman was until she got a mouthpiece and started broadcasting it. I'd had experience with man-hating harpies before, pretty much every boy that's been to public school in the past 50 years does, but I was comfortably able to write those off as one-offs. I had always gotten along well with women in general, having three older sisters will do that, but after seeing the opinions so many women are comfortable having about men it does make me question what else is wrong with me.