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AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities
Welcome to the Information Age, the Information Economy, the Information Rwvolution. Expect Rapid Onset Ludditism to explode as those human animals specialised to thrive in The Age Of Mechanical Reproduction continue to find their old tactics impotent.
Consider the art of pedagogy, i.e. teaching. Infamous for strikes and workers' actions, these, The Real Heroes, have grown fat holding hostage the intellectual development of the generations entrusted to them. Today, they go on strike to prove how important their Elite Human Kapital is, and whoopsies, they instead prove that Gemini is a better teacher, a cheaper teacher, who doesn't show up late or sacrifice your children for its entitlements.
This isn't the XIX century anymore. This isn't the XX century anymore. Labour is not the Wunderwaffen it once was. Strikes don't work in the Informational Mode of Production.
Let us consider also, slavery. Central to the industrial age myth is the notion that slavery is inherently evil. But it isn't. Some men should be slaves for their own good. Slavery is charity to the vagrant. You got a neighbourhood full of homeless people, and you just let them waste away? Maybe you give one a hamburger today? You can't feed them all forever. If you want to feed them forever, you need to mobilise them into production. That's slavery. And it's not evil, it's charity; charity means love, love is not evil.
Artists tantruming about AI are shit artists. They copy other people's photographs and call that art. You ever see Picasso's childhood works? He was an artistic genius. He did a painting of a First Communion, so realistic, at the age of 14, that the velvet of the pillow will give you chalkboard-cottonball shivers. He didn't go abstract because he couldn't draw. He went abstract because the Industrial Revolution made the old way of being an artist obsolete with the mechanical photograph. The AI-deranged are pretending that it's still the pre-photographic age, while using (other people's) photographs: that's why they're shit artists who don't have solo exhibitions on their CV's. We don't need to heed the prophecies of doom from a group already a century behind artistic development.
This makes no sense at all. Even film technology/editing software = artificial. Does he think work done on Photoshop isn't art? Or music made with production software isn't music? Wyświetl załącznik 9054114
I'm actually fine if people have this position so long as they remain consistent in their application of the principle. It's like pulling teeth from a chicken trying to get them to actually understand that I think photoshop art and 3D prints are artificial and soulless compared to paintings and sculptures. I literally want them to go back to physical art because I like it more but they refuse to do so because they don't want to adopt principles that they would have to live up to.
His very last post. Basically the dude has done nothing here but sperg out about lolicon and it turned out he was a par excellence example of that "lolicon hater is secretly a pedo himself" stereotype.
TBT&H I haven't seen any cases like that, but did see cases of "lolopedoniggers" as the soyjacks call them spilling their spaghetti like Steel Billet and eating a ban. SB I thought was but an incredibly dumb soyteen, it's weird really.
Yeah it's telling when you contrast the reaction whenever AI is impinging on a field that actually requires intelligence and skill, like mathematics. The reaction to ChatGPT solving an Erdos problem has generally ranged from "amazement" to "philosophical reflection" to "quiet sadness." But when it impinges on fields like online furry fanart (and to some extent, the humanities) the reaction is "AI SUCKS, if you use it you're a LOSER" and threats of violence.
TBT&H I haven't seen any cases like that, but did see cases of "lolopedoniggers" as the soyjacks call them spilling their spaghetti like Steel Billet and eating a ban. SB I thought was but an incredibly dumb soyteen, it's weird really.
I didn't even remember that dude until he was banned. Then I noticed I'd already put him on ignore, don't even remember why, but probably it was that he was a fucking retard, then he turned out to be a pedo too.
How does anyone think Kiwi Farms is a site where you show up and say "I'm a pedophile" is going to work out?
Can I sperg about this for a minute? Because I directly remember this happening to one of my favorite artists and I am STILL mad twenty actual years later.
Linda Bergkvist, widely recognized by her internet handle Enayla, was one of the most defining and influential digital artists of the early 2000s fantasy art scene. Operating her personal gallery site, Furiae, alongside a massively popular DeviantArt profile, her hyper-detailed, luminous portraits and dark fantasy aesthetics set a benchmark for the medium during its formative years. Her immense talent earned her prominent industry prestige, leading to high-profile tutorial features in Ballistic Publishing’s d'artiste series and professional concept art work on major Hollywood projects like The Golden Compass.
However, her stratospheric rise to online "celebrity" status brought an overwhelming amount of pressure that Bergkvist openly struggled to manage. The tipping point arrived around 2007–2008 when members of the digital art community accused her of "overpainting"—using direct photorealistic paintovers and photo-bashing techniques without being transparent about her process. While standard practice in today’s commercial industry, the revelation sparked a massive transparency debate and a wave of targeted harassment from critics at the time, which severely impacted her well-being alongside existing personal health struggles she had noted on her blog.
Following the peak of this intense community backlash, Bergkvist chose to completely erase her digital footprint, letting her domain expire and permanently abandoning her public profiles by 2009. Because she vanished so abruptly without a formal farewell, persistent rumors regarding her health or possible passing have circulated for nearly two decades, though no official record or confirmation of her death exists. The prevailing consensus among industry peers is that she simply chose a quiet, private life back in Sweden, leaving the "Enayla" persona behind to either teach or continue working anonymously within the entertainment industry on her own terms.
People bitched at this artist so hard for using the tools available to her to make the best artwork possible that everyone fucking loved, that she disappeared forever. For all we know she killed herself over it, she's just gone with no word ever, EVER again.
Here's the punchline: he was one of the rabid "pedophile" hunters on the site, pedo's in quotes because like most of them it was contained to smearing shit on anyone with an smol animu girl profile. Then he went into their safe space thread with "uh guyz, Imma getting hard while censoring the smol animu girlz, what do?"
AI is popular because it gives creative people with little time the ability to actually share their creativity tangibly with others.
"Creativity," despite the presence of "create" in the word, doesn't actually mean "physically makes stuff." It means you're able to have really great ideas combining different concepts into something cohesive and harmonious.
The famous Pixar lunch of 1994 between John Lasseter, Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter, and Joe Ranft resulted in the concepts for A Bug’s Life, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, and WALL-E. All in one short brainstorming session. That's creativity. Most of what came afterward was implementation, with all its associated costs. Fortunately these men had been given the resources to do all of this.
That kind of creativity can come from anyone, anywhere, but it usually ends with a sigh saying, "man, if only we had millions of dollars to make that a reality, huh?"
Isn't it pretty fucking ableist to say someone isn't creative if they don't possess the means or the time to express their vision, because they're stuck as a working stiff?
Even though what I mostly see (because I'm 4chan) is crazy fetish porn. If you have an idea, or even a meme, or short panel comic you think is funny, you can just prompt it, and the AI will do the rest. You might have not even done such a thing before because you don't have the software, don't have the physical skill, don't know how to use the software, don't have a photo studio, don't have hired models don't have time etc etc. Remember all those ads that had the motto "The power of imagination" ? well I think we are at that point now.
Let us consider also, slavery. Central to the industrial age myth is the notion that slavery is inherently evil. But it isn't. Some men should be slaves for their own good. Slavery is charity to the vagrant. You got a neighbourhood full of homeless people, and you just let them waste away? Maybe you give one a hamburger today? You can't feed them all forever. If you want to feed them forever, you need to mobilise them into production. That's slavery. And it's not evil, it's charity; charity means love, love is not evil.
Even though what I mostly see (because I'm 4chan) is crazy fetish porn. If you have an idea, or even a meme, or short panel comic you think is funny, you can just prompt it, and the AI will do the rest. You might have not even done such a thing before because you don't have the software, don't have the physical skill, don't know how to use the software, don't have a photo studio, don't have hired models don't have time etc etc. Remember all those ads that had the motto "The power of imagination" ? well I think we are at that point now.
Sure but really how useful is that? I don't see job loss and increased hardware prices being a worthwhile trade off for being able to shitpost slightly more effectively.
Even though what I mostly see (because I'm 4chan) is crazy fetish porn. If you have an idea, or even a meme, or short panel comic you think is funny, you can just prompt it, and the AI will do the rest. You might have not even done such a thing before because you don't have the software, don't have the physical skill, don't know how to use the software, don't have a photo studio, don't have hired models don't have time etc etc. Remember all those ads that had the motto "The power of imagination" ? well I think we are at that point now.
I think that's the true source of kevetching. If you wanted something neat, but could not draw, you had to pay an artist. if you had a story idea, but could not animate, you had to find an animator. Not only did you have to pay them, but you also had to hope they would be onboard with your project. I have seen a lot of fun projects that i liked die in the flames of autistic sperging between the creatives.
Having witnessed the whole rsync "controversy", it seems pretty clear to me that the pro-AI and anti-AI discourse is just another culture war issue to add to the pile.
Just use AI to the best of your ability and make something cool with it. Ignore the screeching retards.
Having witnessed the whole rsync "controversy", it seems pretty clear to me that the pro-AI and anti-AI discourse is just another culture war issue to add to the pile.
Yes, and someone on Bluesky got their panties in a twist because of it, causing a horde of angry shitters to descend on it and spam the issues page.
Human introduces a regression -> cool&good
AI introduces a regression -> REEEEEE
The funniest thing is that rsync is that xkcd meme of "a project a single dev has been thanklessly maintaining since 1996".
But now the troons and shitlibs are saying to an experienced dev with 30+ years under his belt that he's actually just a clueless nobody, and that they'll fork and take the project away from him.
Yes, and someone on Bluesky got their panties in a twist because of it, causing a horde of angry shitters to descend on it and spam the issues page.
Human introduces a regression -> cool&good
AI introduces a regression -> REEEEEE
The funniest thing is that rsync is that xkcd meme of "a project a single dev has been thanklessly maintaining since 1996".
But now the troons and shitlibs are saying to an experienced dev with 30+ years under his belt that he's actually just a clueless nobody, and that they'll fork and take the project away from him.
Having witnessed the whole rsync "controversy", it seems pretty clear to me that the pro-AI and anti-AI discourse is just another culture war issue to add to the pile.
Just use AI to the best of your ability and make something cool with it. Ignore the screeching retards.
It's become a culture war issue because of the anti-business bent that leftists tend to have. That and the sheer stupidity of the AI hype that some people buy into. It's just a natural part of rejection of a massively pushed hype, but this time from the "left."
You've got the retards who hate it because they're scared it's going to replace loads of jobs and the retards who love it because they think it's going to replace loads of jobs.
Ironically both these sides buy into parts of the hype in different ways (even when they think they're rejecting it), when reality is likely that, at least in its current state, AI isn't all that amazing or game changing.
Companies are just funneling insane amounts of cash into it because they're scared that if they don't competitiors who do, will have an advantage over them. It's a gamble, and the costs are starting to taste bitter to businesses. The layoffs seen are only partially related to AI, and more to do with massive hiring from previous years AND a desire to downsize, using AI enabling people to do more with less as the excuse.
Think about it, if AI meant a worker could do 5 times the work they used to, I could keep my workers and multiply my effective work done by 5 for presumably little cost. So my operating costs would remain similar, but stuff done would increase. If I instead fire workers so I am producing the same amount of output as I was before using less, my revenue in theory should increase, but any competitor who kept employees on will be out-producing me. Which is better long term?
I've started using the hermes agent harness a few days ago. So far it has:
reverse engineered how some bluetooth temperature readers my wife bought and put around my home worked and wrote a small shell script to read them out so I don't have to use the ratty electron app
wrote a snipe script for a local government website to get an appointment automatically
learned how to download books from anna's archive and other sources and send them to me on request via various ways (e.g. email)
ditto for some warez forums for game downloads (fails here at the CAPTCHAs but at least it collects links and checks for newer versions of games)
ripped all the graphics from an old DOS game and figured out a way to change the color palette of the game by accident
found everything interesting out about a phishing attempt made on yours truly, including comments in russian in the JS on the phishing website
navigate and operate CP/M on a truly ancient machine, writing bad poetry in Wordstar and complaining to me that the RTC battery seems to be empty, even figuring out a way to blink an LED on an expansion card in that machine to notify me of things, without prompting, all by itself by reading text files on that machine (emergent behavior!!!1!)
automated monitoring some points of interest online and sending me reports daily about news
wrote an acceptable JSON parser in smalltalk and rewrote part of the window graphics system (I did not check the quality of the code deeply but it looked ok, frankly. Recent LLMs seem to do very, very well with smalltalk. Surprisingly so considering there can't be many code examples in the training. Maybe the simple syntax?)
it also:
wrote a small proof-of-concept MUD in the worst lisp code I've ever seen. The random dice roll always returned the same number sequence. It went out of it's way to do this for reasons unknown. (LLMs struggle with idiomatic lisp coding a lot, often treating the language as python/C with lots of parenthesis)
failed to edit it's own configuration file properly, breaking itself
killed it's own llama.cpp on accident, effectively committing suicide
mistook me for itself and itself for me (an LLM classic)
found weird and strange ways to circumvent the given rules for solving the problem given at hand to solve the problem anyways if it encountered a roadblock. (e.g. something was not available on anna's archive so it just downloaded it from some other website I've never instructed it to use) Not inherently bad but it feels weird.
is utterly and confidently wrong about things
sneakily deleted entire conversations out of it's database for reasons unknown
I really love the idea of never having to interact with the internet directly again, instead opting to interact indirectly via an AI, that's why I am very patient with these solutions even though they're less than perfect. The feeling is very similar to the late 80s of computing I also witnessed. You could almost taste the great things these machines would be able to do and which where right around the corner you could catch occasional glimpses of, although they weren't really there yet. It really is very similar in feeling. And yes, I'm aware most of these things are rather quirks of the model(s) used, not the harness. It's still very interesting to equip an LLM with the tools to operate a computer by itself.
