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Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante
it's not heretical to call him a chud, but inappropriate. Some may say blasphemous, but I think it's light hearted enough to not constitute that
Am more annoyed at you not calling him Saint Paul
You know, it always make me shake my head when people say that God wants to keep us as stupid sheep, and opposing him is what’s good.
Or the fact that apparently, God giving us free will shows that he is bad, because there’s more pleasure in seeing people try to be good only for them to fall, meaning he’s the apparent source of our suffering, given how nature skews towards the negative.
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
Or the fact that apparently, God giving us free will shows that he is bad, because there’s more pleasure in seeing people try to be good only for them to fall, meaning he’s the apparent source of our suffering, given how nature skews towards the negative. Wyświetl załącznik 9059864
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
I'd say may God bless you and be on my way, cause quite frankly they aren't the type to change their mind unless their bulls scientists proclaim something else.
Or the fact that apparently, God giving us free will shows that he is bad, because there’s more pleasure in seeing people try to be good only for them to fall, meaning he’s the apparent source of our suffering, given how nature skews towards the negative. Wyświetl załącznik 9059864
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
And just spat out his soyed out delusions. Demons lifted humanity up? Why would demons give a shit about humanity getting suppressed? And what exactly makes God killing people a bad thing? He owns life, it is his to give and take. There is nothing to respond to here.
The second screenshot is also pointless. They are coming from the belief that suffering is necessarily evil, and a God that would allow suffering to take place is therefore evil. That is flawed because it relies on subjective human emotions and preferences to judge what is good and evil rather than anything more rigorous.
I'm sure someone like Vaush (and many redditors) would consider age of consent laws to be evil because it deprives him of contact with children, and therefore takes pleasure away from him. You see how shitty this way of thinking is? It's just a form of hedonistic thinking at the end of the day.
Why bother responding at all? The first screenshot is just lame fanfic. Nigga really said:
And just spat out his soyed out delusions. Demons lifted humanity up? Why would demons give a shit about humanity getting suppressed? And what exactly makes God killing people a bad thing? He owns life, it is his to give and take. There is nothing to respond to here.
The second screenshot is also pointless. They are coming from the belief that suffering is necessarily evil, and a God that would allow suffering to take place is therefore evil. That is flawed because it relies on subjective human emotions and preferences to judge what is good and evil rather than anything more rigorous.
I'm sure someone like Vaush (and many redditors) would consider age of consent laws to be evil because it deprives him of contact with children, and therefore takes pleasure away from him. You see how shitty this way of thinking is? It's just a form of hedonistic thinking at the end of the day.
He's looking at The Trinity like a member of the Greek pantheon. It's not egotistical for a supreme power/intellect to expect obedience from lesser beings - of his creation, mind you. I doubt he'd think twice about deleting a save file in The Sims because the ai's aren't doing what he wants.
He also conveniently glosses over demonic knowledge corrupting humanity in the long run: >>>But how are child sacrifice rituals going to enlighten humanity?
<<<Enlighten humanity?
On the evil god theory: God is maximally good; If capability is good then God is almighty, if knowledge is good He is omniscient, etc. For God to be evil, there needs to be an objective morality which shows doing bad things is wrong, and an all-knowing God would know being moral is better than being immoral, so even if He were selfish, He'd still choose morality.
On the other hand, an evil deity would know the worst thing is to be the opposite of its supreme traits, so they would've whisked themselves out before anything ever existed. Things exist, so that theory is wrong.
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
>blud really thinks God is the Gnostic demiurge and we blindly worship him
I mean this post is all over the map. I doubt this person has read any actual Scripture, any commentaries, fucking any sort of text on theology at all. But I guess my overall point I would make to him as to why I think God is all that is good is this. I think I am a rational, morally good person. That doesn't mean that I don't make mistakes, that I'm not a daily work in progress, or that the capacity for evil isn't in me, because it is. Like it is for everyone, because we're human. And so if that goodness in me, in the people I love, in what I see in the world doesn't come from God, then that is not a god that is worthy of my worship.
That's not me getting on some high horse and to say I'm so morally superior, and God has to meet these expectations for me to believe in him, in fact it's the inverse. I believe God is so good so all encompassing of the goodness of the world and the universe that it's for that reason that I believe. But that raises the question of evil, to me evil fundamentally is anything away from God. Anything that strains or distances your relationship to God. And so to his point about 'well if God was good why doesn't he force everyone to worship him why do we have freewill?' To which I would say that's a feature, not a bug in the system. Tyrannically enforcing His will onto us would not be good. We see the evidence of this being evil in humans that do that to each other. Be it tyrannical regimes, slavery, or other forms of bondage. And as it's said in Genesis, God created us in His image, so for God to enforce His will unto us would fundamentally be evil, and fundamentally against God.
A lot of it is (probably unintentionally) him repeating New Age slop and Gnostic takes that "Satan is le actually the good guy because God is le eebil and the demiurge".
I've been there brother. I did a lot stupid things and ingested a lot of drugs I shouldn't have as a teenager. Luckily or unluckily depending on how you look at it, I had a scare at a party where the cocaine I thought I was ingesting was actually cut very heavily with meth, and was mostly actually meth. Being wired and unable to sleep tweaking out for three days and being fucking exhausted and crashing hard from it was such an ordeal I decided drugs, alcohol, everything I'm done with. I realize I'm pretty lucky in that I don't believe I have an addictive personality/the gene for addiction if such a thing exists and was able to quit cold turkey pretty easily. But addiction is very real, it's a battle you can overcome and you're not going at it alone. (Assuming that's what you mean by consequences).
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
I would say these 9 simple words. “Better to serve in heaven than reign in hell.” Demons are losers who chose hell over paradise. Even worse when they were already in paradise. Imagine, LOL.
This may be a bit off-topic, but has anyone ever recorded convincing visual media that evidences the physical presence of a demon? Pictures or videos that can't/haven't been debunked? And I mean direct recording of the demon itself, not a possession. Can demons even truly manifest physically as independent biological entities?
If it is true that pagan gods were demons in disguise, that's a very weird idea. I mean, the mythological deities did pretty horrifying things, but it's all... very mundane. The kind of thing you expect an empowered (and deranged) human being to do, not a fallen celestial creature. Create a cult dedicated to worshiping your name? Sure, a person would do that. Rape a bunch of people? Checks. Get involved in petty drama with your equals? Checks. Morph into random animals to fuck around? Checks.
How weird is it that a bunch of higher beings would act like those cynical goyslop subverted heroes tropes?
That also raises some questions. Can demons impregnate each other? And humans? That's what the greek gods liked to do most. What is the spiritual status of a half-demon child (demigod)? Can they be saved? What about a fully demonic child (a pagan god)?
And were the demons taking their Greek god larp so seriously they actually met in Olympus to discuss the fate of mortals and to settle conflicts between each other? And they got folded by other gangs of demons?
You'd think of demons as scary horror movie monsters, but if they were indeed behind pagan gods they are just like DnD players.
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
Seriously, though. I've taken a certain view more recently, which I believe is more associated with the Eastern Orthodox, but I've been having trouble finding the source.
The fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge was good. God didn't forbid it because it was bad, but rather, because Adam wasn't ready. It would be like a baby trying to eat a steak. There would come a time when Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree, with God's full blessing.
There are times when God gives very specific orders and you kind of just have to go with it, but this is the exception, not the rule. No less than Paul of Tarsus said to carefully examine all prophecy to know what's really from God.
Someone's always gonna say "OMG CGI DEBOOOOONKED," so the real question you're asking is what the most credible recorded proof of demons is. I don't know of any footage or photos that could be considered extremely credible. This one has always stuck with me.
The subject of this photo, Joe Martinez, allegedly claimed he struggled with severe addiction and symptoms of demonic influence in the time around when this photo was taken. He thinks that thing behind him was the demon trying to destroy him. It's worth noting that demons are often characterized as animalistic, not as towering red-skinned black-horned Greek statue types.
No. Thank God. If they could make their own bodies, they would. There are a lot of them and they wouldn't hesitate to invade and throw us all in chains.
It's impossible to tell to what extent that pagan religion is an outgrowth both/either A) folklore accumulated through oral, written and otherwise recorded traditions and B) Demons going OOGA BOOGA BOOGA WORSHIP ME! But that's what they want you to think about.
Let's take my personal favorite hero, Achilles, as an example. Three possibilites exist to explain his nature and his feats, assuming he did live, fight and die in the Trojan War as described or similar (there's a lot of evidence for the war, but none for Achilles.)
1) He was a human of unusual strength, speed and valor, born royal and naturally talented as a fighter and an athlete.
2) He was a half-human son of a sea goddess, which granted him supernatural traits such as superhuman speed and strength.
3) He was demonically influenced and granted gifts of power by demons, but they cultivated pride and wrath in him to destroy him at his highest and most glorious.
You'll notice none of these things are technically exclusive. That's the kind of confusion that demons are capable of. All of those possibilites might be true, and none of them. Some poor shepherd might have glimpsed a demonic illusion and heard voices telling him to worship the god Pan in Arcadia, or an entire gang of demons might have gone full LARP to have fun wrecking human lives as the Olympian Gods. Ultimately, none of it matters because the forces of darkness did all this stuff to sow confusion. Look how many people turn away from their Christian upbringing to go RETVRN TV NVRRLVND or claim atheism is truth because there's no way God and all these mythologies can be compatible. The point is, was and always will be to drive us to doubt God first and foremost, and to drive people to syncretic, New Age glorpshit secondarily, and Hell hopes finally to receive your worship under the guise of ancient gods and idols of tradition.
The fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge was good. God didn't forbid it because it was bad, but rather, because Adam wasn't ready. It would be like a baby trying to eat a steak. There would come a time when Adam and Eve would have eaten from the tree, with God's full blessing.
I can't find whether it's a valid theology or not in this case specifically, but logically it makes a lot of sense: people are known to rush things. Abraham and Sarah come to my mind immediately. Sarah was impatient and decided to take matters in her own hands and that just ended up quite bad.
Outside of the Bible, I listened to some people telling their personal testimonies with money. Most were saying that it wasn't that they didn't deserve resources, but they were impatient and God wasn't giving it to them because they would simply waste them on hedonistic lifestyle, and they only understood it in retrospect after maturing.
What's interesting about the three of knowledge is that Adam and Eve didn't necessarily "learn" anything. That's the lie that many anti-Christians believe. They weren't robots who didn't know of difference between good and evil, it's indicated by them knowing that they aren't supposed to eat from the tree. It's a simple expression of that, but Adam and Eve knew of evil. Also Satan can't offer anything new, all he's capable of doing is stealing or lying. So that indicates that they didn't gain anything useful, and it's better to describe the consequence of eating the fruit being the poison of sin that corrupted from within.
Maybe it truly is approaching something prematurely. Kind of like trying out video games and movies ridden with violence and perversion as a small child and ending up messed up in the head vs trying the game for the first time when you're mature and learning something valuable from it, with violence being just a vehicle for the complex story, something that children can't properly grasp, they only see horrors of this world with mature topics flying over their head and end up scarred.
I'm 101% sure it's fake but it managed to get the vibe of a demon perfectly, this glance is what I've seen in people I believe to were demonically possessed/influenced.
How would you respond to these accusations that God is an egotistical tyrant, that questioning his actions is apparently seen as unacceptable by him, that he takes pleasure in us falling short of his standards, and that demons are trying to educate us?
Can I ask for Christian arguments on why we should abhor animal cruelty? I know the Shechita, the Jewish ritual butchering, tries to make the death as painless (without compromising quality) for the animal, but what about other examples?
Can I ask for Christian arguments on why we should abhor animal cruelty? I know the Shechita, the Jewish ritual butchering, tries to make the death as painless (without compromising quality) for the animal, but what about other examples?
Animal cruelty is wrong because it betrays one of humanity's original purposes: Keepers of the world.
In comparison, torturing a man is sinful because it is an offense against your brother. Torturing an animal is sinful because you indulge in the prideful, unbecoming pleasure of oppressing the weak. To simply dispatch an animal requires the humility to avoid inflicting more suffering than necessary on these lesser beings, and thus is not equally sinful.
Worth considering that predation was not planned to exist in the first Eden, and will not exist in the New Jerusalem.
