Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

I'm not seeing what it is about this state visit that's so important. What does Trump expect to gain by sitting down with the guy who just today affirmed his country is a stalwart ally of Iran that he wouldn't gain with a phone call?
I don't understand what at the summit could be so important. I stated this before, but Trump can't possibly be retarded enough to ask Xi for him to open the Strait.... Maybe its about drones or trade or something, but I can't believe Trump can't move the summit until late June.
Detach your mind from just this thread and realize this isn't a meeting between Trump and Xi on Iran.

It was a planned visit well before the Iran conflict even began and has a lot broader of an agenda than just this spat in Iran. World leaders meet to discuss issues, even world leaders that aren't friendly with one another.
 
If we ever have the Bridge and Plant day, it won't be thanks to trump 2.0's decision. Maybe it's me seething and dilating that this crapshow can't end already, hence I can't cope that pausing Op. Freedom is a secret 1488D chess move.

inb4 muh talks - I can't judge something if I don't see any result* or even who trump is supposed to talk (certainly not IRGC or 'tollah)

* -like some reports of massive conflict between IRGC durkas and civilian gov't and army of Iran
 
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They had the chance to do something about it and they chose incorrectly at every decision, including refusing to get involved with reopening the strait. Fuck 'em.
Which European country even has something substantial to contribute?, their ground forces are already been left underfunded and barely supported for decades, let alone their navy, its only really the Royal Navy and the French I can think off the top of my head who have the hardware to possibly be able to do something over there, and do what exactly?, we aren't in some major naval war with Iran like its Imperial Japan in the Pacific where we were trying to sink each other's ships, it's all just blockading and making sure no Iran-linked vessels go in and out, something the US Navy is more than capable of doing by themselves.

Now that think about it, all the bitching about Europeans not being able to do anything is pointless, because most countries don't even have the resources needed to do it, and the few who could do it, aren't necessary for the current objectives of the war, our major Asian allies like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines are even more dependent on Middle Eastern oil for their energy needs, yet we aren't screaming at them for not doing anything precisely because we are aware the situation is pretty much out of their hands.

This sounds more like just petty Cross-Atlantic slap fighting than any genuine practical grievances over the war effort, its frankly just embarrassing on both sides of the pond.
 
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Which European country even has something substantial to contribute?, their ground forces are already been left underfunded and barely supported for decades, let alone their navy, its only really the Royal Navy and the French I can think off the top of my head who have the hardware to possibly be able to do something over there, and do what exactly?, we aren't in some major naval war with Iran like its Imperial Japan in the Pacific where we were trying to sink each other's ships, it's all just blockading and making sure no Iran-linked vessels go in and out, something the US Navy is more than capable of doing by themselves.

Now that think about it, all the bitching about Europeans not being able to do anything is pointless, because most countries don't even have the resources needed to do it, and the few who could do it, aren't necessary for the current objectives of the war, our major Asian allies like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the Philippines are even more dependent on Middle Eastern oil for their energy needs, yet we aren't screaming at them for not doing anything precisely because we are aware the situation is pretty much out of their hands.

This sounds more like just petty Cross-Atlantic slap fighting than any genuine practical grievances over the war effort.
No more Kongsberg NSMs or JSMs for you.

(More seriously, you need to remember how relatively tiny many European countries, like Norway, are.)
 
Cool, that means China's fine with us taking the 60% uranium and centrifuges that have no use other than making non-peaceful nuclear capabilities, right?
That's interesting, if nothing else there should be an attempt to one up that statement by actually offering the regime a deal where they hand over all of that and in return we give them Uranium suitable for energy sector use at a steep discount just because you know they'll say no. The administration does need to start using more of Iran or China's own words against them instead of saying "but they can't have nukes, they'll attack Israel." all the time.
 
Fuck it, this is 100% just rage baiting (that so many of you fell for) but sure, I'll actually treat this seriously just for fun, and you are actually bringing up some talking points worth discussing
Alright kiwi sisters, today we are going to practice our cope for when Trump inevitably concedes on a bad deal and the whole world bursts out laughing in unison.


When i say: Iranian pinky promises to pause enrichment for a few years mean nothing
You say: 🇺🇸 100% destroyed and buried under ground (even more then last time), Trump will personally remove each and every uranium canister himself! !!! 🇺🇸
100% this is a viable ending on the conflict by the way, Trump has a track record of promising and saying crazy shit, only to then quietly go back and compromise on something that largely retains the status quo, if the war goes on for too long with no changes or becomes too costly on the American economy or his political standing, he could simply redo the JCPOA in another name, where Iran will never ever ever ever ever ever make nukes they promise while still holding on to their uranium stockpiles, all the while Trump brags about the making the deal and creating peace in Iran (while Israel and Saudi Arabia piss and shit in anger, go look at who disapproved the Obama nuclear deal), hey, it's not like it would be his problem once he leaves office.
When i say: Freedom of navigation was a thing before and the US has literally achieved nothing
You say: 🇺🇸I own an oil refinery and Uncle Donald made me rich! Brilliant move Mr. President. Perhaps best ever! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Even worse, Iran has vowed they would start collecting tolls if we don't pull them off of Hormuz, it's safe to say that this would be a disaster for literally everyone else in that scenario.
When I say: This war has thus far succeeded in little more then empowering Russia and China. While making the latter seem like a bastion of sanity, and a respectable trading partner
You say: Chinks drool, and also we like Russia now that we have the shared experience of being raped by a supposedly inferior power using basic drones. HOLD ME VLADIMIR! 🇷🇺
I could see it with Russia benefitting from the higher energy prices as an energy exporter, especially when they need that oil cash to keep their war machine going, but I don't see how China does, they're fortunate to have largely been shielded thanks to them having the foresight to have diverse sources of imported energy and having a petroleum reserve for rainy days like these, and I could see that gradually getting worse for them the longer the war goes on, and they know becoming more dependent on one power (Russia) for something as vital as energy is not a good position to be in.
Most importantly, never admit defeat. You may have said 'no more foreign wars' but if Donald says it's ok then you are with him all the way.
You know what, fair, it was giga-cringe to see MAGA suddenly become pro-war after years of crying about sending military aid to Ukraine and how that would provoke Russia further into starting WW3.
 
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Good lord everyone else is still so mad over Trump not going forward with Operation Freedom, did all of you actually believed in the self-imposed image of him being the big balls tough guy on the world stage who does what he wants with no consequences?

You do know that's all just propaganda for his supporters, right? surely you wouldn't fall for something that obvious.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
 
Posting this just for transparency's sake, but here's Axios claiming Trump is totally about to sign the JCPOA 2.0
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Iran has already denied this btw
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I am going to give Trump the benefit of a doubt in regards to letting the blockade simmer rather than murking the Iranian precisely because he's meeting up with Xi soon. Blockading Iran has already done a number on their economy and as boring as it has been to watch, it does show that the US can and will do that to you if you step outta line which as a message to a country as heavily depended on exports as China is would go a long way to telling Pooh Bear not to fuck with Taiwan.

Though to be frank be it China or Iran the best solution is MAIN KILL BURN. I want blood God damn it.
 
I wonder if the difficulty moving forward with Iran has more to do with the balance of the other parties in the abrahamic coalition going forward. UAE did just leave opec and hezbollah is smouldering like popcorn that's been in the microwave 10 seconds too long. It might be that the challenge of how to proceed has more to do with everybody else's investments in the region than Iranian resistance itself. Idk im thinking in really broad terms that I barely understand.
 
Cool, that means China's fine with us taking the 60% uranium and centrifuges that have no use other than making non-peaceful nuclear capabilities, right?
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Why the hell would the Saudis want the operation paused? Iran was hurling missiles at the country that just left their oil monopoly, not them.
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I think this is important because Saudis were the ones who wanted Trump to not end the war. If they're asking this, maybe Iran really will accept the deal.
 
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