Culture Israeli police stop Latin Patriarch from entering Church of Holy Sepulchre


In a joint press release, the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem and the Custos of the Holy Land report they were blocked from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem by Israeli police, calling it "a manifestly unreasonable and grossly disproportionate measure."

Vatican News

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem and the Custody of the Holy Land have released a joint statement stating that, on the morning of Palm Sunday, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Cardinal Pierbattista Pizzaballa, together with the Custos of the Holy Land, Fr. Francesco Ielpo, OFM, the official Guardian of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, were prevented from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, as they made their way to celebrate the Palm Sunday Mass.

Released on Sunday, the statement said both Church leaders were stopped en route by Israeli police, "while proceeding privately and without any characteristics of a procession or ceremonial act" and were forced to turn back.

"For the first time in centuries, the Heads of the Church were prevented from celebrating the Palm Sunday Mass at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre," the statement noted.

It described the event as "a grave precedent" and disregarding "the sensibilities of billions of people around the world who, during this week, look to Jerusalem."

Blocked despite compliance with restrictions​

The statement said the Patriarch and the Custos of the Holy Land have acted with full responsibility since the start of the war, complying with all restrictions requiring that public gatherings be cancelled, attendance prohibited, and arrangements be made to broadcast the celebrations to hundreds of millions of faithful worldwide "who, during these days of Easter, turn their eyes to Jerusalem and to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre."

"Grossly disproportionate measure"​

Preventing the entry of Cardinal Pizzaballa and Fr. Ielpo, who hold the highest ecclesiastical responsibility for the Catholic Church and Holy Places, "constitutes a manifestly unreasonable and grossly disproportionate measure."

The joint statement further underscored that "this hasty and fundamentally flawed decision, tainted by improper considerations, represents an extreme departure from basic principles of reasonableness, freedom of worship, and respect for the Status Quo."

The Patriarch and Custos both expressed their "profound sorrow" to the Christian faithful in the Holy Land and around the world "that prayer on one of the most sacred days of the Christian calendar has thus been prevented."
 
i'm sure preventing any investigation is proof they're innocent
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A few months ago a pack of jews in a tank murdered children in a Christian church and literally none of them faced any consequences. Don't let dipshits like @Maori Kiwifruit Growers fool you. The jews aren't just bad at optics, they actually seek the blood of Christians in the same way they seek the blood of muslims. And they will not cease their barbaric behavior until the "promised" land is totally under their control and all non jews removed or more likely liquidated.
 
I don't buy the "bad optics" thing. Israel always sends exactly the message it intends to send, because that is according to its principles.
These principles being?

Your faith would have died if it wasn't for Vatican II. Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 happened during a period of major global cultural changes. If any faith finds itself locked in a traditional cultural manner which does not counterdict its core teachings and principles, it will falter and die. Because it's unnecessarily restrictive. Remember Catholicism is growing. It's just not growing in Europe. The rest of the world is becoming fairly Catholic. Particularly Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa. And if you're of the belief that more people need to know the word of Jesus Christ, why would it matter where in the world they're from? Race should be secondary to Faith. Also, just so you know under medieval, Christendom Jews were considered heretics because we do not believe in the Divinity of Jesus Christ. We were never considered pagans. Also, as a good Catholic, you should know that there is A multitude of Catholic thought, but the final word comes from the holy see. And it appears that the holy see for the most part, has never actually backed any of these views on the Jews, and unofficial rulings are not religious rulings.

@AssignedEva

You could be right, BiBi has given the police to to Ben gavier to run and I am not a fan of it. Ben gavier is a religious and judeo nationalist. That is something he even is proud to say. so I can definitely see this occuring. Israeli domestic politics are fucking nightmare and they make the drama that happens in American domestic politics look like a joke. The Israeli police (not the border Police) in my view needs a major dramatic overhaul, it fails to protect the Arab society properly and this extends to the arab Christians and the arab Muslims.

II fail to protect. I don't mean sending in the enforcement to fucking harass them I mean less enforcement.

Is sort of how in the United States will have police departments that really don't give a fuck if black shoot each other because "lol less of them on the streets am I right" or they'll tie of the Arabs in bureaucratic nonsense that the Jews don't really have to deal with (Israel has the bureaucracy of Germany with the government efficiency of Greece/Italy)

My pov is that regardless of what your personal beliefs are, they are citizens of the country (not talking Palestinians they aren't citizens and don't actually live in Israel so idgaf about them), And thus should have equal representation and protection. Look I'm not going to sit here and say that Israeli domestic politics is the best in the world. That has a lot of major problems and that stems from the fact they haven't had a constitution ever and are working off of a bunch of provisional constitutional laws that they set up in 48 and haven't been able to ratify anything really further due to the wars,

I can confidently speak for the majority and say that if this is a case of tit for tat bullshit someone needs to get fired and I want someone's fucking head on the plate. But there is also a consistent history of the Catholics attempting to reestablish and reassert themselves in the region when they really have no political legs to stand on and haven't for centuries.

I guess what I'm saying is "Jesus Christ Bibi all you had to do was nothing"
 
A few months ago a pack of jews in a tank murdered children in a Christian church and literally none of them faced any consequences. Don't let dipshits like @Maori Kiwifruit Growers fool you. The jews aren't just bad at optics, they actually seek the blood of Christians in the same way they seek the blood of muslims. And they will not cease their barbaric behavior until the "promised" land is totally under their control and all non jews removed or more likely liquidated.
You do understand that we only attack those who attack us. We have a religious duty that if someone attempts to kill us, we must rise and strike them before they strike us. We don't just go out and murder people. Also, we don't have a belief that Israel will be 100% Jewish. It never was even under the first two temples. We have religious rules that dictate what people can do as non-jews in the land. But again, most of these rules apply to things like paganism and idolatry which no one really practices. Also, we can't even enforce those rules without the establishment of a third temple. So your point is moot. Also the promised land is literally just Israel, some bits of maybe South Lebanon and the other side of maybe the Jordan River. Do you actually read what Jews say or do you just repeat shit that other people tell you?
 
You do understand that we only attack those who attack us
Complete horseshit from a lying kike.


You hymies murdered children and then shielded the murderers from justice. Literally nothing you can say will convince me you aren't an evil scourge on the planet that must be dealt with in the harshest way possible. Peace will never exist so long as you kykes are allowed to go about murdering everybody and stealing their homes.
 
White Americans and Christians are aghast reading your posts, you are about as "American" as a banh mi sandwich. Unsurprising that you are dumping paragraphs into this thread. Protip: replying to instances of Israeli anti-Chrisrian violence by dissembling and splitting hairs won't gain you any support.
 
"I'm going to cause an international incident to spite the verkakt goyim, I will." The Jerusalem police chief today.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
That all non jews are cattle and that they will commit every manner of atrocity against the weakest groups who challenge their authority. They are an evil group of people who don't see common humanity. They are the "chosen" people and everybody else is a goy. Just like the talmud says.
Okay, see you're actually retarded. The talmud is a bunch of arguments, some fairly benign, some pretty extreme. You can't make common declaration from it. That's like saying everyone on this website thinks the same way they don't.


We are the chosen people because we believe we were chosen by God to uphold his commandments and lead by example. We are held to a higher standard which means that it is harder for us to get into heaven. Goy Is just a singular of goyam which is Yiddish for gentile, which literally means other nation. Because historically and traditionally up until 1848, Jews were considered an entirely different nation of people. It is simply the word to mean Foreigner. Like the chinese are foreigners of the United States.


If you know your Christian theology, this chosen belief is actually carried on by Christian theology. The difference is that you believe that when Jesus was crucified, he was the ultimate sacrifice negating the need for rebuilding of a third temple and negating the covenant God made between the Jews and himself. (If I correctly, Christian theology states that this covenant was done because we the Jews failed at it? - knowledgeable Christians correct me on this part if I'm wrong). The worst you could say is that we just haven't seen the light.


But why am I wasting my breath arguing with you? You clearly are just looking for someone to blame for your own problems and failures.
 
Your faith would have died if it wasn't for Vatican II. Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 happened during a period of major global cultural changes. If any faith finds itself locked in a traditional cultural manner which does not counterdict its core teachings and principles, it will falter and die. Because it's unnecessarily restrictive.
Isn't the one of the reasons Israel babies and bends over for the big hats Talmud scholars because they are the nation's strategic jew reserve? Don't more traditional jews have higher birth rates than seculars, conservative or reform? The promise of liberalization or modernization of bringing in back the fallen away never happened and usually worsened it.
Particularly Latin America, Southeast Asia, and Africa. And if you're of the belief that more people need to know the word of Jesus Christ, why would it matter where in the world they're from? Race should be secondary to Faith.
Actually Latin America, the second homeland of liberal Catholics has seen a great decline. And in Africa and Asia it is mostly higher birthrates with some edge cases like Korea and Vietnam. And yes, Every Knee will bow regardless of race, but Christ is the God of MY fathers, and I wish it to remain that way for MY people.
The worst you could say is that we just haven't seen the light.
I'm not that extreme of an anti-semite, but you should read what St. John Chrysostom said about the Jews lol.
 
White Americans and Christians are aghast reading your posts, you are about as "American" as a banh mi sandwich. Unsurprising that you are dumping paragraphs into this thread. Protip: replying to instances of Israeli anti-Chrisrian violence by dissembling and splitting hairs won't gain you any support.
I apologize that my worldview isn't as simplistic as yours and actually requires nuance and discussion. But it's okay, you'll just find some new charismatic retard to tell you how to think. Also, the only people who claim I'm not American are brown or share the same beliefs as them. Any true American would know that Jews have been a constant thread of the American establishment since its founding. And I've been found in all parts of American society.

So to other, the Jews is simply to have a European mindset, which as an American I despise. So Ahmed, close your laptop. Leave your apartment and go find yourself a nice dorner kabob in your suburb of Berlin.
 
Okay, see you're actually retarded. The talmud is a bunch of arguments, some fairly benign, some pretty extreme. You can't make common declaration from it. That's like saying everyone on this website thinks the same way they don't.


We are the chosen people because we believe we were chosen by God to uphold his commandments and lead by example. We are held to a higher standard which means that it is harder for us to get into heaven. Goy Is just a singular of goyam which is Yiddish for gentile, which literally means other nation. Because historically and traditionally up until 1848, Jews were considered an entirely different nation of people. It is simply the word to mean Foreigner. Like the chinese are foreigners of the United States.


If you know your Christian theology, this chosen belief is actually carried on by Christian theology. The difference is that you believe that when Jesus was crucified, he was the ultimate sacrifice negating the need for rebuilding of a third temple and negating the covenant God made between the Jews and himself. (If I correctly, Christian theology states that this covenant was done because we the Jews failed at it? - knowledgeable Christians correct me on this part if I'm wrong). The worst you could say is that we just haven't seen the light.


But why am I wasting my breath arguing with you? You clearly are just looking for someone to blame for your own problems and failures.

 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Isn't the one of the reasons Israel babies and bends over for the big hats Talmud scholars because they are the nation's strategic jew reserve?

Yes and no. They believe that they're praying prevents Israel from not existing and that their prayers are what's keeping the nation together. They have basically declared themselves of priestly class and no one has consented to that. Basically, after the Holocaust, the founders of the modern state of Israel decided that these hasitic Jews (black hat guys), should be exempt from the draft because they wore the last living groups of people who practiced Judaism in the Ashkenazi rite (to keep our traditions, we have to make sure that the people who practice the traditions and know all the rules of the traditions down to the smallest minute detail don't die because we need to protect the hail from the Arabs). The black hats also take the line beefruitful and multiply very seriously, so they have a lot of kids because they see it as a blessing and mizvah (opposite of sin). The problem is that they became a massive voting block. And the other problem is that they survived the Holocaust by being incredibly insular. So when they move to Israel they followed the rabbi of their village. Now not all of them follow the same Rabbi some follow different rabbis and because of that they all hate each other, but the big issue is that they discovered they were voting block and they can throw around their weight even though they don't believe the secular state of Israel should exist because the temple doesn't exist.

It's a huge problem. And I think that they're taking advantage of the system and no one likes them.

Don't more traditional jews have higher birth rates than seculars, conservative or reform? The promise of liberalization or modernization of bringing in back the fallen away never happened and usually worsened it.

The biggest problem and the biggest concern is that Israel was founded as a secular Nation for the Jewish people. Remember Jews are a religion but also a culture and distinct people (like the polls or the french etc). So the idea was we would found a nation in the European model on our historical Homeland that being the land of Israel.

The religious elements sort of was always there but it wasn't very big, but over time because they have more kids, they become more of a serious voting block and the fear amongst the less religious is that they'll just turn it into a secular state. A good analogy would be imagine if all of Italy was for millennia the land of the people of the Vatican. So you have people who are culturally Catholic because they connected the Vatican and then you people who religiously follow the Vatican. And you can see an issue. If say we would have reestablish a Vatican held Italy.

Actually Latin America, the second homeland of liberal Catholics has seen a great decline. And in Africa and Asia it is mostly higher birthrates with some edge cases like Korea and Vietnam. And yes, Every Knee will bow regardless of race, but Christ is the God of MY fathers, and I wish it to remain that way for MY people.
We don't care about Catholics, if you want to celebrate your faith go ahead. Religiously, our issue comes down to a question of polytheism and idolatry due to the Trinity and the pictures of Christ. Remember under 1st and second temple Judaism there were many other monotheistic fates that existed that were not an issue for Jews, Sumerians, zoastrians are two that come to example.

But since there's no third Temple we can't properly convene a Sanhedrin and thus cannot give proper religious rulings. Also, these rulings only can be enforced within Jewish lands. We really can't do anything outside of Jewish lands. That's why the land that God gave us is so important because well that's our land. We have control legally over that small plot. To argue over semantics and Catholicism, you technically don't even need Jerusalem, it holds no value to you. Yes, there's religious ties and symbolism but it could sink into a black hole tomorrow and your faith wouldn't change. The structure of the faith would remain the same. For Jews, the faith is directly tied to Jerusalem. We cannot properly express our faith without Jerusalem. Without Jerusalem we don't have the Temple Mount and without the Temple Mount we can't do our sacrifices and we can't do all the things that are in the Old testament that say what Jews need to do.


Remember judaism does not believe in evangelism. We are very very clear about that. We just want to be left alone. Any of these expansionist viewpoints grafted on to Judaism is nothing more than a reflection. A fear that what you did to others will happen to you (talking generally).

What we do believe in is a belief that if someone comes to strike you down you must rise up and destroy them. But that doesn't mean we preemptively start killing people.
 
I don't have the video on my phone, but pretend I'm posting a video of bossmanjack telling you I'm not going to read all this shit and calling you a pussy and a loser for posting it.
Shit Shit like this is why some Jews don't really care for gentiles. We explain and give you the keys to understand and you're response is "lmao no I'm gonna stay ignorant fuck you kike". I'm not saying that at the end of this conversation you should decide that you want to cut off your foreskin to become a Jew, I'm saying that maybe you should put more than 5 seconds of thought into this and maybe you'll learn a little bit and who knows. A little intellectual curiosity goes a long way.
 
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