Iran Crisis ∩ Trump Politics Mass Debates Thread

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Tulsi Gabbard will be next.

She should definitely argue with Trump a lot more and get herself fired, which is actually better than resigning because it'll give her the credibility she lost working for this administration. Severance pay too, I guess.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

For those unaware or who would like a reminder of Tusli's position on the potential war in Iran, going back to 2020:

Tulsi Gabbard, who warned of war with Iran, now says it was up to Trump to decide if Iran was 'an imminent threat'​

Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, responded to the resignation of her deputy, Joe Kent, in a statement that does not refer to him directly, but takes issue with a central claim of his resignation letter: that “high-ranking Israeli officials and influential members of the American media” use misinformation to deceive Donald Trump “into believing that Iran posed an imminent threat to the United States”.

Gabbard wrote on social media that because Trump was “overwhelmingly elected by the American people to be our President and Commander in Chief… he is responsible for determining what is and is not an imminent threat”.

Her office, she added, “is responsible for helping coordinate and integrate all intelligence to provide the President and Commander in Chief with the best information available to inform his decisions.”

“After carefully reviewing all the information before him, President Trump concluded that the terrorist Islamist regime in Iran posed an imminent threat and he took action based on that conclusion,” Gabbard concluded.

As soon as she posted her statement, observers noted that Gabbard did not say that she disagreed with Kent. Jonathan Karl, an ABC News correspondent who frequently speaks with Trump, pointed out that, “nowhere in this statement, does she say that she agrees that Iran posed an imminent threat — or that the intelligence supports such a conclusion.”

Gabbard’s reticence to make her own view of the war clear is a sharp departure from comments she made during her run for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, when she made campaign ads claiming that Trump wanted to start a war with Iran and warned Fox News viewers that “War with Iran would make Iraq/Afghanistan wars seem like a picnic”.


A Tulsi Gabbard presidential campaign ad from 2020, accusing Donald Trump of wanting to start a war with Iran.
During that campaign, Gabbard also told supporters Trump had set “a dangerous precedent” in Iran by designating “the military of another country a terrorist organization”, and boasted that, as a congresswoman, she had introduced legislation, the No More Presidential Wars Act, that “would make it an impeachable offense for any president to bypass Congress and to unilaterally go and start waging a war in another country.”

When Trump ordered the assassination of General Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Force, in 2020, Gabbard took to the floor of the House to denounce the killing as an act of war.

“President Trump has committed an illegal and unconstitutional act of war, pushing our Nation headlong into a war with Iran without any authorization from Congress, a war that would be so costly and devastating, it would make our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic,” Gabbard said then. “In doing so, he has undermined our national security”.

Last year, after her confirmation as the national intelligence director, Gabbard posted a video clip on her personal YouTube channel headlined: “Tulsi Gabbard On Preventing Conflict With Iran”. In the video, an interview with the former Fox News host Megyn Kelly, Gabbard said: “we have people who are working within the intelligence community… who are coopted by the military-industrial complex, abusing their position to feed or manipulate intelligence, as we saw with the Iraq war, to start a new war.”

“The work that gets done in places like this every single day has that power, to be the fodder, the fuel, the seed that can lead to yet another unnecessary war,” she added.

On Tuesday, as he dismissed Kent’s claim that Iran posed no imminent threat to the US, Trump said repeatedly, in a confusing, roundabout manner, that Iran was an imminent threat because its leaders were just “two weeks away from having a nuclear weapon” and “they would’ve used it” before he ordered B-2 bomber strikes last year on its uranium enrichment sites.

The day before, the president made the entirely unsourced claim that Iran was not only pursuing nuclear weapons but planned to use them to first destroy Israel and then attack the United States, an idea for which he has presented no evidence at all.

There is no public evidence that Iran was ever weeks away from obtaining nuclear weapons, and US intelligence agencies reported in 2007 that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. The administration has presented no evidence that Iran ever restarted that weapons program or planned to attack the US.

 

[Sneed 'N Things]

Tulsi Gabbard will be next.

I thought so too but she just Xeeted in defense of the war....

 

[Duane Dibbley]

I thought so too but she just Xeeted in defense of the war....

She hasn't taken a side nor said Kent was wrong. She's said "Trump got info that Iran was bad, he took action".
(She may have said more since and if she has, I apologise for late information).

 

[MeltyTW]

She hasn't taken a side nor said Kent was wrong. She's said "Trump got info that Iran was bad, he took action".
(She may have said more since and if she has, I apologise for late information).

which is taking a side but in a cowardly meek way.

 

[Sneed 'N Things]

She hasn't taken a side nor said Kent was wrong. She's said "Trump got info that Iran was bad, he took action".
(She may have said more since and if she has, I apologise for late information).

No you are right, she didn't explicitly express her support, but personally I was hoping for her to publicly disavow the war or resign like Joe Kent.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

which is taking a side but in a cowardly meek way.

No you are right, she didn't explicitly express her support, but personally I was hoping for her to publicly disavow the war or resign like Joe Kent.

She seems politically savvy - other than hitching her trailer to the wrong truck as most trump supporters are finding out (I like trump v1, but v2 is a fucking retard or compromised retard).

I wonder if she is weighing up her options because she will be a scapegoat for any terrorist attack, false-flag or otherwise, that happens on american soil. Just like bondi and patel took the heat for the epstein files.

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

I heard someone speculating in an interview that this whole installment of Neocon Wars represents a break from the sort of US Intelligence Deep State, and that they pulled off something of a coup with Trump's administration. This guy was saying that the whole Greater Israel Project is really more of a recent, late stage development of Zionism... something that's metastasized in the last 30-40 years.

They now have aspirations of being a global superpower/regional hegemon. The US establishment does not support that, for obvious reasons (literally no empire ever has set up a client state as an autonomous, competing power), but the Jews are bum rushing the thing with their little coup. They can see the writing on the wall with declining support for Israel in the US, and know the window is closing on their Nazi aspirations.

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

I wonder if she is weighing up her options because she will be a scapegoat for any terrorist attack, false-flag or otherwise, that happens on american soil.

Yeah I don't think anyone knows what to do right now. Vance is obviously distancing himself from it as best he can. With the exception of Ladybugs and Hegseth there hasn't been a whole lot of vocal support.

The war's unpopular and will continue to become less popular...unless there's a false flag attack, and then it might become very popular. Everyone's just sorta staring at their shoes waiting to see what happens.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Everyone's just sorta staring at their shoes waiting to see what happens.

I think this is what's happening. Jumping too soon would be daft if the war comes to an end, pissing off israeli masters would kill their career if they gain more influence, and doing nothing while rome burns will paint them as part of the problem.

I can only imagine some faction forming deals are happening in the background.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Afghanistan - a generation and the GDP of most European countries wasted. The Taliban in charge and more battle hardened than ever.

Iraq - almost immediately collapsed to ISIS, leading to another intervention, still a chaotic mess with an age of consent of 9.

Libya - an open air slave market that’s collapse lead directly to the EU migrant crisis

Syria - literally ran by a member of Al Qaeda

“How dare you be against this! You must be a third world brown! Post hands!”

 

[Aria]

So what's the goal now complete state collapse?

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

fixed

we know, you'd rather have the muzzies in charge, brown man. we are not surprised. do you have anything original to say, or will it all be the exact same tired kikesperging as always?

I never believed Pezeshkian was ever going to be targeted. He was actually elected by the Iranian people and was known as a reformer who (comparatively of course) was willing to be more of a moderate. He's still an official of the Islamic Republic, so a believer in a quickly collapsing death cult, but hardly a serious target.
Now tangentially related, I found an 1974 magazine scan from New York Magazine about a hypothetical war waged by the Shah against Iraq.
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i fucking love this font they used so often in the 70s. does anyone know what it's called?

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

So what's the goal now complete state collapse?

I desperately need another Yemen in my life. One clogged strait ain't enough.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

we know, you'd rather have the muzzies in charge, brown man. we are not surprised. do you have anything original to say, or will it all be the exact same tired kikesperging as always?

I try to approach it logically, not emotionally. I'd love to hear a logical argument about why Iran is a danger to the US. I'd also like to hear why it's a good idea for 90% of our Congress to take money from AIPAC, and whether or not that has any impact at all in why we end up fighting wars for Israel.

I'm all ears. But I only ever hear emotional responses not grounded in facts. Iran does not pose a threat to the US. I've been hearing the same shit about how Iran is "weeks away from a nuclear weapon" since last century. At some point you start to recognize patterns and can't help but see it for what it is.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

Don't start with me, Clownbaby. I was merely quoting the OP below.

i'll turn you back into a grape boy!

really I just expect us to be better than the doomers. gotta do your own research because a lot of farmers don't when they post.

I try to approach it logically, not emotionally. I'd love to hear a logical argument about why Iran is a danger to the US.

you mean besides the last 45 years of them fucking with us, chanting death to america, and interrupting our trade with other countries? you mean besides the fact that they've pushed for a nuclear bomb? do you really mean BESIDES all the shit iran has visibly done to us? do you mean aside from the houthi funding, and the hezbollah funding?

I'd also like to hear why it's a good idea for 90% of our Congress to take money from AIPAC, and whether or not that has any impact at all in why we end up fighting wars for Israel.

it probably does influence them wanting to go to war alongside israel (note that israel has literally been doing as much as we have to iran, including taking more missile strikes than any US base did, those damn kikes have a lot of perseverance if nothing else) but no more than the TOP 7 higher PACs.


i have never once seen a kikesperg (not even saying you, you're anti-israel but have retained the ability to hold a conversation, genuinely impressive and i appreciate it, being anti-israel myself. i'm simply MORE anti-muzzie) even once actually say a word about any of these lobbies. they pretend AIPAC is the only lobby that exists, while ignoring that real estate lobbyists and security/investment firms are far higher, and that the biggest lobby in the entire country is for retired boomer faggots.

there's your reality. the biggest pro-israel lobby isn't even fucking aipac, it's evangelical boomers who want the third temple built (and then subsequently destroyed) to mark the coming of Jesus. they are heretical sectarians attempting to force the day of Christ's return.

even the next lowest lobby after israel, education, is more of a problem in the US itself than the israeli kikelobby. have you fucking SEEN the state of public education in this country?

Iran does not pose a threat to the US.

nuclear weapons pose a threat to the US. iran has consistently caused problems with the flow of goods with terrorism. as i'm sure you're aware with people sperging the fuck out about how global prices will increase due to the strait being 'closed' (which it apparently isn't, according to iran). it's one or the other. either the strait is vital to trade and shouldn't be in muzzie hands because they're a psychotic deathcult of pedophiles who will one day have a nuclear weapon that they can use to strike w hoever they want, very potentially including a US-owned, aligned, or protected interest (such as the oil fields that we use to keep the petrodollar in tact. i'm sure you know why the petrodollar is important.)

none of this is based on emotion, it's based on hard factual evidence. i showed you that aipac isn't even close to the biggest lobby in the US, and i showed you multiple palpable US interests, including keeping international trade that flows into the US low-cost, and keeping shipping routes for international trade out of the US open and low-cost. we can't do that when a fucking spazzoid nation like iran races for nuclear weapons and threatens the security of literally everyone in the region, israel obviously included.

i think it says a lot that you would say it's a war for israel, despite every gulf state openly begging us to put this rabid dog down and make it not a problem for the region anymore, and even russia and china aren't intervening to help. islamists, muslims, are violent, barbaric people, and iran is a theocracy that literally exists to fulfill the quran, which DEMANDS that we be put to the sword as Christians, Atheists, or even DA JOOZ. there is no 'iran isn't a threat'. they will always, for all of time, be a threat. they will always seek to increase their destructive power, their ability to cause harm to non-Muslim nations and people, because that is what their government is founded upon.

Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax, willingly submitting, fully humbled.

and evidence that they consider Christians to be part of their cope (that it only means polytheists) that the Al-Baqarah verse, which I remind you the Iranian Government believes is the law that should be followed.

this verse addresses that Jesus Christ, who is both God and the Son of God, is not legitimate to worship, thus placing Christians into the group of those which Allah "surely does not forgive".

Surely Allah does not forgive associating ˹others˺ with Him ˹in worship˺, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. Indeed, whoever associates ˹others˺ with Allah has clearly gone far astray.

thank you for coming to my TED talk on why islamist nations have to be eradicated from the face of the earth with extreme prejudice.

 

[umseriously]

You would think that posters who made an arse out of themselves during the start of the Ukraine war - where they predicted total Russian collapse and Ukrainian victory within months, would learn not to be so fucking retarded when it comes to war prediction, but low and behold, the other thread is full of those same people.

Either they're shills or so braindead and hopeless and noticing that they can't help but be wrong again. Maybe it's masochism in internet form?

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What's everyone's view on how long this 2-week military operation will go on for, and what event will be the distraction needed to help the goyslaves and NPC's conveniently forget about it?

The only event that can make people forget about it something that would eclipse rising gas prices which is pretty scary to think about.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

Israel has bombed a gas production facility in iran called South Pars, responsible for 70% of the gas output in iran. All during a time the world is shitting its pants over oil and gas prices, making everything more expensive for everyone in the west.

People have congregated in large numbers for the funerals of Ali Larijani, Iran's security chief, and Gholamreza Soleimani, the head of the Basij paramilitary force, killed in strikes this week.
They didn't seem that popular...



The uprising against iranian leaders will start any day now.

 

[browserbowser]

at the end of the day he has no material or social reason to care about his supporters

My last words will be cussing the nigger that made it standard to only ever think in immediate or first-order consequences.

 

[Jake English]

Israel has bombed a gas production facility in iran called South Pars, responsible for 70% of the gas output in iran. All during a time the world is shitting its pants over oil and gas prices, making everything more expensive for everyone in the west.

People have congregated in large numbers for the funerals of Ali Larijani, Iran's security chief, and Gholamreza Soleimani, the head of the Basij paramilitary force, killed in strikes this week.
They didn't seem that popular...

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The uprising against iranian leaders will start any day now.

i'm really surprised it hasn't started already, you'd think everyone would've already capitalized on the country's failing infrastructure