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I can tell you this, no Islamic scholar, except maybe for Ahmad ibn Hanbal, ever had an iota of the fervor of the early Christian martyrs. There is nothing of value that you are missing out on, and there was never a Muslim who wasn't retarded, that would die for his faith.
I thought I already explained to you that the details of the thing are not the motivation behind the thing. Those details are the things that separate the different opinions.

For example there are schisms in christianity, differences of interpretation of Talmud, and arguments over successors in Islam, or interpretations of quran and hadith but I am not talking about that. Those things came after the initial fervor while attempting to work out all the fine details.

What I am talking about are basic concepts that motivate people to do things. So in Islam the basic concept of Tahwid is a motivating factor that drives another motivating factor which is Jihad. The individual distinctions of jurisprudence or how to pray do not cause a population to join Muhammad or Pope Urban in a crusade. You don't get a caliphate by debating the law, you get a caliphate by summoning people under a banner for a grand destiny. I am not even glazing Islam for its "qualities" what I am talking about is a phenomena activated by the one who claims divine right whether a prophet or a messiah.

This is why the abrahamic religions ultimately share a bunch of basic elements because those elements "work" and explain things for people. They justify things to people. Yet on the inverse they are also why the middle east is divided up by the distinction between those things.

There is no unifying force in the west right now, we have a ton of "discourse" and more noise than signal. If I am wrong tell me what it is? Claims of "democracy" and "shared values"? Cynicism and disconnect between normal people is the epoch we are in.
 
thanks for proving me right
i have had plenty of discussions on this site, even in this very thread recently, where myself and someone else have had a reasonable conversation despite having differing opinions. the point you don't seem to understand is that i am not going to do that with you.

i can sit here and find quotes (that i have read before) from israeli politicians that said what i just said but you would just reddit your way out of it. something would be wrong with the person saying it, or something would be wrong with the source, whatever you can say to not concede. i can bring up OSP and wolfowitz / feith and you would, of course, find something wrong with it. you're a redditor who deserves a pink triangle and if me refusing to waste my time with you makes you think you're right then so be it. i think so lowly of you that i don't really care what you think about me.
 
I thought I already explained to you that the details of the thing are not the motivation behind the thing. Those details are the things that separate the different opinions.

For example there are schisms in christianity, differences of interpretation of Talmud, and arguments over successors in Islam, or interpretations of quran and hadith but I am not talking about that. Those things came after the initial fervor while attempting to work out all the fine details.

What I am talking about are basic concepts that motivate people to do things. So in Islam the basic concept of Tahwid is a motivating factor that drives another motivating factor which is Jihad. The individual distinctions of jurisprudence or how to pray do not cause a population to join Muhammad or Pope Urban in a crusade. You don't get a caliphate by debating the law, you get a caliphate by summoning people under a banner for a grand destiny. I am not even glazing Islam for its "qualities" what I am talking about is a phenomena activated by the one who claims divine right whether a prophet or a messiah.

This is why the abrahamic religions ultimately share a bunch of basic elements because those elements "work" and explain things for people. They justify things to people. Yet on the inverse they are also why the middle east is divided up by the distinction between those things.

There is no unifying force in the west right now, we have a ton of "discourse" and more noise than signal. If I am wrong tell me what it is? Claims of "democracy" and "shared values"? Cynicism and disconnect between normal people is the epoch we are in.
Yeah you don't use the langauge of someone who knows anything about Islam. Sorry bud

I'm done citing, using correct terminology, and making arguments to people who get their info from facebook memes, and who can't be fucked to learn how Islam actually works. There is no Tawhid in Islam. Everyone is highly divided. You're like the boomer who thinks that taqiyya applies to all Muslims, when it's typically the purview of Imamate groups who follow the Shia'tu Ali, like the Fivers, Niners, and Twelvers.

You have no working knowledge of the thing you are trying to tell me about, when I've demonstrated a deep and intimate understanding of their din and their fiqh(plural). There is nothing you have that you can tell me that would be informative, accurate, or illuminating. You're a waste of my energy.

Do not presume to tell me about an enemy you have clearly taken very little time to understand.
 
i will let you know now that i didn't read any of this. i have attempted to argue with you, i realized what you were, i attempted it again, and then i felt stupid for falling for it a second time. fool me once. i wouldn't waste my time writing out longposts because i will never read them. i do not take you seriously in any way
Naw, he's got you pegged, total Mamdani staffer. Chuck Schumer is a Palestinian. It's all making sense now. Nice charade, Mossad! Good ruse, jews!
 
the point you don't seem to understand is that i am not going to do that with you.
i can sit here and find quotes (that i have read before) from israeli politicians that said what i just said but you would just reddit your way out of it.
translation: I can cite things but I can't actually handle the citation being criticized in any serious manner by pointing out the context around the citation.

something would be wrong with the source, whatever you can say to not concede.
case in point

i can bring up OSP and wolfowitz / feith and you would, of course, find something wrong with it.
yeah, they're not Israeli. They were neocon Zionists who were out of step with the actual Israeli government. We're talking about Israeli government, not Zionists.

. you're a redditor who deserves a pink triangle
someone can't engage critically like I just showed

i think so lowly of you that i don't really care what you think about me.
thanks for proving me right. sorry for whatever place got your pseudointellectual aloof ass when you clearly had a good chance working for Mamdani.
 
Do not presume to tell me about an enemy you have clearly taken very little time to understand.
You didn't even engage with what I was saying at all. You wanted to get lost in the weeds about what to do with someone desecrating the sabbath, which again is not what makes jews want to rebuild the third temple.

You want to debate scholarly pursuits when the scholars did not establish an army.
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translation: I can cite things but I can't actually handle the citation being criticized in any serious manner by pointing out the context around the citation.


case in point


yeah, they're not Israeli. They were neocon Zionists who were out of step with the actual Israeli government. We're talking about Israeli government, not Zionists.


someone can't engage critically like I just showed


thanks for proving me right. sorry for whatever place got your pseudointellectual aloof ass when you clearly had a good chance working for Mamdani.
didn't read this brotha! sorry you feel that way or glad you do!
 
israel killed the scientist behind this and the project ended.
Wait, what?

I thought the fucking Mukhabarat killed him because he was a fucking careless blabbermouth security risk (which is why the Israelis tried to warn him! He was dropping hot goss Israel received benefit from!) they didn't really need anymore, and that Israel tried to warn him, to which he was dismissive, in typical Gerry Bull fashion. I haven't read anything on this dude in a long time, but I'm almost positive I read that somewhere, but maybe I'm misremembering completely or getting something mixed up.

Still, this is like some Mandela effect shit.
 
How stereotypical.
It's fun seeing people break down when they see that an actual standard is being applied and they can't get away with stuff out of context or conflating X with Y. It's especially funny with Jewspergs who rely on lying and who never have their argument systematically broken down before.

Wait, what?

I thought the fucking Mukhabarat killed him because he was a fucking careless blabbermouth security risk (which is why the Israelis tried to warn him! He was dropping hot goss Israel received benefit from!) they didn't really need anymore, and that Israel tried to warn him, to which he was dismissive, in typical Gerry Bull fashion. I haven't read anything on this dude in a long time, but I'm almost positive I read that somewhere, but maybe I'm misremembering completely or getting something mixed up.

Still, this is like some Mandela effect shit.
Why would the Iraqis kill him? His gun wasn't done yet. The Mossad did warn him with break ins into his apartment but he didn't stop so they killed him.
 
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