Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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woc_krava powiedział(a):
I've heard of people that were shot at for participating in these festivities in the early 80's, which is why they left the country.

My main question regarding statements made to the Iranian people: How are they supposed to see this? There has been no Internet for roughly 3 weeks and even the intranet has been down for 3 days. Especially since these statements are done a few hours before the event.

Edit: Upper Case I Internet.
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Satellite TV and my friend in Tehran messaged me today on Telegram
 
biglurker powiedział(a):
>You MUST be losing the war if you ask your allies indebted to you in terms of trillions in defense spending, defense research, and man power to help you in a conflict
Why leave any alley on the table during a conflict? The US doesn't need its allies to win the war, but it would be nice to have additional sea power to guard ships through the strait.
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It's one of those things oft-mocked tropes. You know the one: intentionally holding back.
Why not just go full-power and eradicate your enemy with overwhelming force from the start? Sure there's an "honour" component to war but this isn't a spectacle brawl meant to entertain people* and the Iranians threw honour out the window the moment they started bombing non-combatants and non-military targets. If everyone just stomped on Iran collectively then things would—probably—already be over by now. Europeans probably feel as though there'd be some obligation to help with rebuilding Iran afterwards, more so out of building political/diplomatic capital with the US over an actual sense of moral obligation, but they don't have to.

Nuke the twat (figuratively) and come home. Simple as. I'm sick and tired of this haranguing because it feels so performative. I also can't be sure it's also not part of the "game," in some idiotic way. Like they're intentionally wanting oil prices to rise because of some indirect impact on China's manufacturing economy or something like that.

*intentionally
 
Catch The Rainbow powiedział(a):
Rereading this it's even more retarded, his wife died fighting isis and he said the fight against isis was justified
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Isis was funded by Israel

www.timesofisrael.com

IDF chief finally acknowledges that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels

In interview with UK's Sunday Times, outgoing army commander Gadi Eisenkot says Israel gave opposition groups light arms 'for self-defense'
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Outgoing IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot this weekend acknowledged for the first time that Israel had indeed provided weaponry to Syrian rebel groups in the Golan Heights during the country’s seven-year civil war.
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Facing these constraints from Netayahu and his extreme-right government, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, who resigned a few months ago, came up with the idea to set up a rule of militias and clans in Gaza. Gallant had said that Israel should be using local, Ramallah-affiliated elements who are coordinated with the PA. In other words, Gallant was trying to introduce the PA by the back door.
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Both the United States and Israel have a long and storied history of funding Sunni terrorist groups. It's a very Jewy thing to do, fund and support your 'enemies' so you can use the resulting chaos and violence to further your own goals.

The GWOT was launched post 9/11 (which was perpetrated by Zionist Jews via the Saudi royals) to destroy Israel's geopolitical rivals, and America did just that. One by one Israel's enemies were methodically bombed to smithereens and left in ruins. The operation against Iran was the final chapter, the war to end all wars to ensure Israel's place as the middle eastern hegemon. It's just up to now no American president has been retarded enough to actually do it. Fast forward post 2020 election, Donald J Trump is beset from all sides, facing endless lawfare, bankruptcy and imprisonment, a group of rich Jews visited in Mar-a-Largo with a deal, and here we are.


Why would a bunch of liberal Zionist billionaires, who hated Trump, donated to his rivals, funded BLM and rigged the 2020 election, why would they all of a sudden decide to don the red baseball cap? Well it sure as fuck wasn't to make America great.

In fact the decision to attack Iran is so fucking retarded and insane that there is an argument that it's a deliberate effort to destroy Israel and to break the back of Zionism once and for all. Iran can keep the Straits closed indefinitely. Trump demanding that the Europeans send some frigates and minesweepers to face down thousands of Iranian drones and missiles while the 2 carrier groups cower 1000kms from the coast, is particularly hilarious (I assume he's trolling). TLDR Iran has already won the war, short of Israel launching some nukes it's baked in. Which likely means the end of Israel. Maybe Trump acting like a craven retard sucking Jew cock is just a 10D chess move underwater jiu jitsu to rid the world of the Synagogue of Satan.
 
BigJoey41X powiedział(a):
If you have to beg other nations to help in your latest middle eastern incursion, it probably means you're struggling and isn't going as well as you hoped,
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the key words in this statement are "have to" and it's the point where you seem to be very confused.

We don't HAVE TO, we aren't in a position where we're doomed without Europe helping. Recognizing more hands on deck make the process faster does not mean it cannot be managed alone. And testing Europe at it's word to see if they would even do the bare minimum to hasten the return to normalcy when that is what they would expect of us is not without merit.

"They didn't start this they don't have skin in the game" then they have no reason to have been panicking over this for 2 weeks now and the economic turbulence won't affect them right? Oh it will? alright so then they have skin in the game. and that's before even going into all the ways Iran has through it's proxies and actors abroad has fucked with Europe just as much as they've fucked with the US for decades.

We on the other hand don't have skin in the game and didn't start the conflict in Ukraine, but we still send aid. Even through all the criticism Trump has made toward Kiev and Zelenskyy we still send aid.

The Americans will show up when our allies ask even when we "don't have skin in the game"

The Europeans won't show up even when they do.

Europe has become a beurocracy of Karens sending strongly worded letters rather than any sort of reliable military ally.
 
>IMPLYING powiedział(a):
Like they're intentionally wanting oil prices to rise because of some indirect impact on China's manufacturing economy or something like that.
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we wouldn't be talking about freeing up Hormuz if rising oil prices weren't a problem, the current admin knows their chances at surviving the midterms depend on if they manage to control the situation before November.
 
BigJoey41X powiedział(a):
If you have to beg other nations to help in your latest middle eastern incursion, it probably means you're struggling and isn't going as well as you hoped, Hormuz is still mostly locked down which means that Iran is still possessing enough strength to disrupt the waters WHICH MEANS that Iran hasn't been defeated yet, and that's why Trump is resorting to getting help.
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Iran asked its allies Russia and China for help which probably means they're struggling and isn't going as well as they'd hoped. Iranian airspace is mostly controlled by America which means that America is still possessing enough strength to disrupt the air WHICH MEANS that America hasn't been defeated yet.
 
BigJoey41X powiedział(a):
That's how it works moron, blocking the strait = less oil = higher oil prices = higher prices on everything else (depends on what product determines extent of the price increase), oil is the lifeblood of the modern world, from energy, transportation, manufacturing, medicine, even things I can't pull from the top of my head.

Did you really think there would be no consequences from doing this, especially if this war becomes prolonged?
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Most importantly the US failed to achieve its strategic objective of closing out the war before page 1000.
 
Kwisatz00 powiedział(a):
At no point in the lifecycle of the product we produce does it need anything going through, or involved with, the hormuz strait.
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On the contrary, at every step in the production your product needs energy. Closing the Strait cut off a significant portion of the global energy supply. Everything is going to go up in price.
 
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BigJoey41X powiedział(a):
we wouldn't be talking about freeing up Hormuz if rising oil prices weren't a problem, the current admin knows their chances at surviving the midterms depend on if they manage to control the situation before November.
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You were saying earlier why should the EU help with the strait. what made you do the 180 its going to affect the EU more than the U.S. in the long term here.
 
Burnt Fish powiedział(a):
We don't HAVE TO, we aren't in a position where we're doomed without Europe helping. Recognizing more hands on deck make the process faster does not mean it cannot be managed alone. And testing Europe at it's word to see if they would even do the bare minimum to hasten the return to normalcy when that is what they would expect of us is not without merit.

"They didn't start this they don't have skin in the game" then they have no reason to have been panicking over this for 2 weeks now and the economic turbulence won't affect them right? Oh it will? alright so then they have skin in the game. and that's before even going into all the ways Iran has through it's proxies and actors abroad has fucked with Europe just as much as they've fucked with the US for decades.
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You mistake is assuming the only way to end the crisis is to bomb Iran to an indeterminate point they can't possibly fight back in any way anymore.

Europe knows the fastest way to end the crisis is to simply stop furthering Israeli geopolitical ambitions.
 
Kwisatz00 powiedział(a):
I understand the war has consequences, but the carte blanche it has given any companies/suppliers to just raise prices, very very quickly, is extremely annoying. At no point in the lifecycle of the product we produce does it need anything going through, or involved with, the hormuz strait.
Nope, now everyone and their grandmother's dog who is in business at a learing center is saying the war is making life hard, so need to increase prices. 5% to 25% who knows who cares, its war.
In the end politicians win.
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That's a sympathetic position but it's more complicated than that. As just a single example, at some point in the lifecycle of the product you produce some amount of human labor is involved. Humans eat food. Producing food either requires fertilizer or feed that itself requires fertilizer. Fertilizer (and its inputs) are being heavily affected by the reduced shipping. The indirect impact of fuels on the global economy (via, for example its impact on transportation prices) is similar. There are innumerable other such indirect factors.
 
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BigJoey41X powiedział(a):
If you have to beg other nations to help in your latest middle eastern incursion, it probably means you're struggling and isn't going as well as you hoped, Hormuz is still mostly locked down which means that Iran is still possessing enough strength to disrupt the waters WHICH MEANS that Iran hasn't been defeated yet, and that's why Trump is resorting to getting help.
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You are just repeating yourself. Again, why leave the option on the table? Calling on allies alone isn't some sort of last resort like some shitty shonen anime.
 
Mike Johnson calls the guy who quit because of Iran a fucking retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.


Meanwhile, Trump calls NATO a bunch of fucking losers whose shit doesn't work, and we don't need their impotent asses to save them from their own cowardice.
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ThisIsGonnaBeGood powiedział(a):
Mike Johnson calls the guy who quit because of Iran a fucking retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Meanwhile, Trump calls NATO a bunch of fucking losers whose shit doesn't work, and we don't need their impotent asses to save them from their own cowardice.
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That is right most of them did agree its almost like they dont want to do any of the fucking work to keep an alliance. We need to handle the EU like we handle the rest of the world on a case to case bases.
 
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