US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[deleuzeon]

So the solution is to just arrest them all.

That or some other verbs

 

[Harvey Danger]

So the solution is to just arrest them all.

The real problem is US (and English common law generally) don't have good ways of prosecuting groups for group crimes. We generally attribute crime to the individual, and in fact there are laws against collective punishment, even in international law and the Geneva Conventions.

So if a group of 20 idiots impede a police operation, we can't round up all 20 and charge them with 1 crime. We have to say that 1 was attacking a cop, and 1 was standing in front of the car, and 2 were resisting arrest, and 3 were flailing around yelling and getting in the way, and the other 13 stood on the sidewalk or let someone who was fleeing hide behind them, etc. Of those 20 only the attack and resisting are specific crimes, the other 17 can get off the hook by saying they were just standing around or shouting protected speech.

Everyone knows the entire crowd of 20 assholes were coordinating and working together to make the cops' job impossible, but you can't prove it to the legal standard. Even if you tried one of the few conspiracy statutes on the books, you would have to prove specific things like "Jane wrote in an email that she would provide cover for anyone attacking cops and fleeing, then she did exactly that on the day of the protest. It only looks like she's innocently standing with a sign."

I know a lot else happened since then, but I continue to be disappointed nobody passed laws to hold organized groups liable for street actions. Everyone knows about affinity groups and coordination, nobody managed to get a legal tool to fight them.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

That or some other verbs

VERB THOSE PRONOUNS

Best chant yet

 

[Retrodogkiller]

Then why dont they make mormon tv shows and movies?

They do, just drive through or live in a state near Utah and you'll see ads for Mormon movies and TV channels.

 

[Ben Zener]

The real problem is US (and English common law generally) don't have good ways of prosecuting groups for group crimes. We generally attribute crime to the individual, and in fact there are laws against collective punishment, even in international law and the Geneva Conventions.

but muh janawarie six!

 

[Lip Glossary]

What a vapid and meaningless statement. Nothing but grand standing and virtue signaling, but the offense part is denouncing America in the same sentence he 'stands' with NATO. Mother fucker, who funds NATO? Who provides all the weapons and equipment?
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Oh. I guess Greenland plans to just pickup the check from now on, very cool Greenland. We'll just pack it up and let you take over. I'm sick of euro niggers trying to talk shit, when we literally bankroll their defense and prop up their armies. It's like if I drove to my hometown neighborhood and built all my old neighbors fences for pennies, and in return they boast about what great fences they have while calling me a retard and reminding me that some of the posts need new paint. We should just leave NATO. Then at least when they complain, and they will, we won't be funding it.

Yeah it's easy to talk shit, but you know behind the scenes they are scrambling because their entire playbook if somebody attacks them is a cell phone behind a pane of glass that says BREAK IN CASE OF CONFLICT and it only dials out to one number: the president's secretary.
They are in a really weird position because they are the medieval village that is trying to stand up to a dragon that wants to attack, but they have relied on the dragon to defend them for generations.

Why do they always have a whistle? The whistles do fucking nothing

Since the tranny women aren't coming out to protest like they usually do, they have to blow something.

Its a easy way to make a shit ton of noise that makes it harder for agents to talk to each other. Also cause hearing loose.

Hearing loose?
Thank you for calling apple tech support on may I help you? Have you tried unplugging and plugging in your bobs and vagene?

 

[Harvey Danger]

but muh janawarie six!

I said good ways to prosecute groups. The bastards who ruined anyone they could identify from Jan 6 didn't let little things like legality hinder them.

 

[NSA]

In honor of Scott Adams I will be staying the hell away from black people today.

 

[quaawaa]

In a jaw-dropping declaration, Greenland's Prime Minister Jens-Frederik Nielsen announced that "If we have to choose between the United States and Denmark here and now, […]We choose NATO"

Glad to hear you’ve decided to join the United States then!

 

[Lip Glossary]

The real problem is US (and English common law generally) don't have good ways of prosecuting groups for group crimes. We generally attribute crime to the individual, and in fact there are laws against collective punishment, even in international law and the Geneva Conventions.

So if a group of 20 idiots impede a police operation, we can't round up all 20 and charge them with 1 crime. We have to say that 1 was attacking a cop, and 1 was standing in front of the car, and 2 were resisting arrest, and 3 were flailing around yelling and getting in the way, and the other 13 stood on the sidewalk or let someone who was fleeing hide behind them, etc. Of those 20 only the attack and resisting are specific crimes, the other 17 can get off the hook by saying they were just standing around or shouting protected speech.

Everyone knows the entire crowd of 20 assholes were coordinating and working together to make the cops' job impossible, but you can't prove it to the legal standard. Even if you tried one of the few conspiracy statutes on the books, you would have to prove specific things like "Jane wrote in an email that she would provide cover for anyone attacking cops and fleeing, then she did exactly that on the day of the protest. It only looks like she's innocently standing with a sign."

I know a lot else happened since then, but I continue to be disappointed nobody passed laws to hold organized groups liable for street actions. Everyone knows about affinity groups and coordination, nobody managed to get a legal tool to fight them.

I mean I can think of a way to punish them all. We need to bring back the old Rodney King, Kent state treatment.
You start getting the fire hoses and german shepherds, fracture a couple of skulls in the snow and people will LEARN to respect law enforcement. Acting like you're retarded and obstructing justice with no consequences isn't teaching these people a valuable lesson, I guarantee you they would stop if they suddenly woke up on the sidewalk and saw the snow next to their faces fucking snow coned with their own blood type.

I said good ways to prosecute groups. The bastards who ruined anyone they could identify from Jan 6 didn't let little things like legality hinder them.

That was the biggest poofter move I've seen in a while. People on Twitter doing everything they could to identify people who went to a drunken tour of the capitol.

 

[Alcoholism]

Everyone knows the entire crowd of 20 assholes were coordinating and working together to make the cops' job impossible, but you can't prove it to the legal standard.

Conspiracy is a charge you can do en masse with groups of people. This phone app that they're using to coordinate is proof enough to start.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Now it is obvious he also wants access to the rate earth minerals, but that's another topic lol.

Called it

Look, it can be difficult for geniuses to express humility, so let’s just pretend I tried

 

[cain_destroyer1]

I genuinely cannot follow her train of thought or even her attempt at a point in any of her questioning, not just here. She just does the liberal thing of talking big but never leading anywhere. Brevity. Soul. Wit.

Alito is much more succinct in pointing out how made up this whole thing is:

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One worrying thing is Barrett keeps using "trans girls" when talking, so this will probably be 5-4 no trannies, with the women having to VIRTUE! VIRTUE!

FUCKING LAST NAME HECOX!!!! HOLY FUCKING SHIT MEME MAGIC IS REAL,

Holy fuck, imagine being an MtF and having Hecox as your last name. Even your name doesnt respect your pronouns

 

[Lip Glossary]

VERB THOSE PRONOUNS

Best chant yet

TPV
Total pronoun verb.

In honor of Scott Adams I will be staying the hell away from black people today.

I stay the hell away from them every day, but I will also do it in his memory.

Conspiracy is a charge you can do en masse with groups of people. This phone app that they're using to coordinate is proof enough to start.

They need to coordinate pepper spray into an entire crowd at once.

 

[MerelyAPlateOfSpaghetti]

They need to coordinate pepper spray into an entire crowd at once.

I've heard there aren't many fires happening right now, maybe we could borrow one of those big water dumping helicopters to apply pepper spray efficiently?

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I stay the hell away from them every day, but I will also do it in his memory.

It never ages. It never isn't relevant.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

FUCKING LAST NAME HECOX!!!! HOLY FUCKING SHIT MEME MAGIC IS REAL,

Holy fuck, imagine being an MtF and having Hecox as your last name. Even your name doesnt respect your pronouns

Bro I seriously hate to be the bubble burster, but most trannies intentionally change their name.

In this case, they’re doing the drag thing and making it a suggestive homonym

 

[Lip Glossary]

I've heard there aren't many fires happening right now, maybe we could borrow one of those big water dumping helicopters to apply pepper spray efficiently?

They're up in cold as balls Minnesota, imagine turning the fire hoses on them like we used to do to the niggers who wanted rights.
You give it a half hour and if they don't leave they're going to look like Jack Nicholson at the end of The Shining.

It never ages. It never isn't relevant.

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Bix nood.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Everything is fun and games until ICE heckles back

https://x.com/osint613/status/2011149321178427899

 

[Harvey Danger]

I mean I can think of a way to punish them all. We need to bring back the old Rodney King, Kent state treatment.

That's a way to clear a street (which I approve of). It's not a legal punishment.

You start getting the fire hoses and german shepherds, fracture a couple of skulls in the snow and people will LEARN to respect law enforcement.

No, they won't. They'll show up to every protest they can, cover it in cameras, and pray to God they're the ones who get knocked down so they can sue the cops for millions of dollars.

That's why it's so important to have a legal statute to charge them with. Crack a head on someone you can't claim is a criminal, and you get sued. Crack a head trying to stop someone who is legally recognized as committing a crime, and you get protection from (most) liability.

Conspiracy is a charge you can do en masse with groups of people. This phone app that they're using to coordinate is proof enough to start.

To borrow a quote, "It's not RICO. It's never RICO." Proving conspiracy is always harder than we think, in part because it should be to protect the innocent.

The phone app is an interesting wrinkle, and may be the easiest way to prove coordination. But you would still need to prove everyone using the app committed a crime, or the same crime. You'd have to prove the app got 1 person to jump on an SUV hood, even though the other 19 didn't. Telling people to all show up in one place "for a protest" isn't a crime itself.