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Should be a wild four years.

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This is Washington Democrat Rep Emily Randall

“We can trot out all of the data that we want to create the sense that there is a bad guy, there is a bad group of people, there are folks who are not among us, there are folks who are other, and I think we should spend a lot more time looking at ourselves, looking at American citizens, looking at white men.” (She starts laughing as she’s trying to get this line out)

These people are legitimately evil, and they don't even believe in what they say


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Step 1:

Imagine Republicans are secretly doing a thing.

Step 2:

Use the imagined offense as justification to do it openly 5 times harder.

Living with Democrats is like living with a woman who is mad at you for being mean to her in a dream last night.
 
“We can trot out all of the data that we want to create the sense that there is a bad guy, there is a bad group of people, there are folks who are not among us, there are folks who are other, and I think we should spend a lot more time looking at ourselves, looking at American citizens, looking at white men.”
Honey, what you should start worrying about is the fact that we're finally starting to look at you and seeing you for what you are.
 
Things are not okay in Mormon town. The shooting at the LDS church in Utah yesterday involved Mormon Tonga Crip Gang (TCG) members. They've taken over a church in Salt Lake City that they run their criminal enterprise from. Local media and politicians are reporting none of this of course.

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Why are there Tongans in this country? Did the Founders even know what is a Tonga?
 
California is its own thing but WA and OR actually need a military takeover and reconstruction. I'm not even kidding. The corruption plus incompetence is not fixable. California is different, California has a history, identity and institutions and those institutions are capable of responding to incentives. WA and OR are ridiculous third world basketcases and there's nobody here with any common sense.
 
California is its own thing but WA and OR actually need a military takeover and reconstruction. I'm not even kidding. The corruption plus incompetence is not fixable. California is different, California has a history, identity and institutions and those institutions are capable of responding to incentives. WA and OR are ridiculous third world basketcases and there's nobody here with any common sense.
I was just talking to some Oregonians in chat recently and they actually thought the governorship might be up for grabs for Republicans. This surprised me so I looked into it and the last election was way closer than I expected, Kotek the Democrat won but was only ahead of Drazan by 4 points with both getting in the mid 40s; to contrast, the 2022 CA governor's race saw Newsom get 59% of the vote (a little gem from wikipedia: "This was a smaller margin of victory than in 2018, and the first time since 2010 that the Democratic gubernatorial nominee did not win at least 60% of the vote.").

Seems like the state is less lopsided electorally than CA, why do you think it's worse? It appears there's a reasonable chance someone other than a Democrat could end up in charge without even conquering it militarily.
 
I was just talking to some Oregonians in chat recently and they actually thought the governorship might be up for grabs for Republicans. This surprised me so I looked into it and the last election was way closer than I expected, Kotek the Democrat won but was only ahead of Drazan by 4 points with both getting in the mid 40s; to contrast, the 2022 CA governor's race saw Newsom get 59% of the vote (a little gem from wikipedia: "This was a smaller margin of victory than in 2018, and the first time since 2010 that the Democratic gubernatorial nominee did not win at least 60% of the vote.").

Seems like the state is less lopsided electorally than CA, why do you think it's worse? It appears there's a reasonable chance someone other than a Democrat could end up in charge without even conquering it militarily.

OR is completely fortified. There is big money spent ensuring that the GOP candidates are unelectable.

The last gubernatorial race was weird because there was an independent candidate.

OR also has only mail voting and it's not secure.

WA is the same but less entertainly stupid because there's more money.

There's also a huge amount of drug and labor trafficking that goes through both states. I don't know much about the relationship between the organized crime running that stuff and the state governments. People in WA state government seem to be just regular corrupt officials taking regular bribes. People in OR state government are actually so stupid I think a lot of them don't know it's going on.

also, mormons
 
California is its own thing but WA and OR actually need a military takeover and reconstruction. I'm not even kidding. The corruption plus incompetence is not fixable. California is different, California has a history, identity and institutions and those institutions are capable of responding to incentives. WA and OR are ridiculous third world basketcases and there's nobody here with any common sense.
Honestly, I've always gotten the sense California wouldn't be that hard to turn lightly Red in 20 or so years if the Republicans actually cared enough to build up the party in the state.
 
They think the word games work on us, because the word games work on them. I honestly think it's an IQ gap.
In the non-literary type of philosophy (I'd say non-intellectual, because I'm a cunt), the Anglo branch that's basically just nerds making up trick questions, there are a lot of theoretical "zombies," people who are just like us but [one difference], invented to evoke specific questions.

The big one is the "p-zombie," a theoretical person who's just like us but has no conscious experiences—but they may seem to, to us, because we're out here not knowing they're just auto-reacting to stimuli they don't have the self to sense. How could we tell?

Everyone loves that one Millennial Woes tweet about the impossibility of arguing with leftists because they always fall back on pretending not to understand anything. True enough, but maybe it's not strategic. Maybe they're impervious to experience—or incapable of distinguishing experiences from each other, so they "think" that a word and a thing are the same, or life and a tv show, shopping and morality, observations and demands, etc.

Like chatbots can't be made to understand their own errors—because they can't conceive of anything. They have a list of words that they kaleidoscopically jumble on demand. To us it looks like they're speaking, but to them it's literally nothing. We can't, in fact, talk to them. There's no them, no talk, no possibility of either.

I'm avoiding saying "golem."
 
OR is completely fortified. There is big money spent ensuring that the GOP candidates are unelectable.
You're saying the problem is within OR GOP? Sounds like they need to spend more honestly. I'm just a bit skeptical because in 2024, Harris put up closer to Newsom numbers with 55% of the vote. I don't know any of this off the top of my head, I'm just googling shit to sanity check and I'm sure you have a better handle on it, but it seems like at least one OR GOP politician was much more palatable to the locals than Trump and not totally unelectable.
 
Honestly, I've always gotten the sense California wouldn't be that hard to turn lightly Red in 20 or so years if the Republicans actually cared enough to build up the party in the state.

CA is full of relatively intelligent people who want to have normal lives, even the fags. If the SF political machine had been more effectively countered, if the culture war and race politics stuff weren't being used so effectively, these people would be blue dogs/light red, absolutely.

OR and WA are like a fucking lovecraft story except everyone here is white so you can't even blame racemixing. They never recovered from the destruction of the timber industry and meth tore through the rural towns in the 90s and nothing has ever recovered. You just do not have the materials with which to build a decent society.
 
You're saying the problem is within OR GOP? Sounds like they need to spend more honestly. I'm just a bit skeptical because in 2024, Harris put up closer to Newsom numbers with 55% of the vote. I don't know any of this off the top of my head, I'm just googling shit to sanity check and I'm sure you have a better handle on it, but it seems like at least one OR GOP politician was much more palatable to the locals than Trump and not totally unelectable.

in both WA and OR the big GOP donors deliberately fund unelectable candidates. They were doing this even before MAGA.
 
in both WA and OR the big GOP donors deliberately fund unelectable candidates. They were doing this even before MAGA.
I guess I'm just wondering whether you can help me understand the gubernatorial election results. Like yes, Republicans don't ever win, but it's consistently way closer than CA. Drazan was the closest since 2010 (which was within 2 points!) with that 4 point spread, and that's complicated by an independent getting 8% of the vote, but how do you square that with what you're saying? Was Kotek so bad as a Democrat she herself should have been unelectable? Was Drazan actually not that bad a candidate?
 
The big one is the "p-zombie," a theoretical person who's just like us but has no conscious experiences—but they may seem to, to us, because we're out here not knowing they're just auto-reacting to stimuli they don't have the self to sense. How could we tell?
I thought that was confirmed when ~30% of the population reported having no internal monologue. This isn't a hypothetical, these unensouled things are real and you pass by them every day.
 
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