Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

Greer v. Moon 2:20-cv-00647 — District Court, D. Utah

  • Docket No.
    2:20-cv-00647
  • Court
    District Court, D. Utah
  • Filed
    15 Wrz 2020
  • Terminated
    22 Kwi 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:0501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    None
  • Last Filing
    6 Sie 2024

Parties (4)

Parties
Lolcow, LLC, Kiwi Farms, Joshua Moon, Russell G. Greer

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 127)

# Date Description Filing
6 Sie 2024 Case no longer referred to Magistrate Judge Jared C. Bennett. (kpf)
113 15 Maj 2024 ORDER of USCA Supreme Court Circuit as to 45 Notice of Appeal, filed by Russell G. Greer. Supreme Court order dated 05/13/2024 denying certiorari. (jrj) (Entered: 05/16/2024)
112 28 Kwi 2024 NOTICE OF TRANSMITTAL that case has been transferred to Northern District of Floridia via electronic given case number 3:24-cv-00122-MCR-ZCB. (nl) (Entered: 04/29/2024)
111 25 Kwi 2024 Report on the Final Decision of an action mailed to the Register of Copyrights Office. (kpf) (Additional attachment(s) added on 4/26/2024: # 1 Copy Right Form) (kpf). (Entered: 04/26/2024) PDF
110 25 Kwi 2024 NOTICE OF TRANSMITTAL that case has been transferred to Northern District of Florida. (kpf) (Entered: 04/26/2024)

GREER v. MOON 3:24-cv-00122 — District Court, N.D. Florida

  • Docket No.
    3:24-cv-00122
  • Court
    District Court, N.D. Florida
  • Filed
    19 Mar 2024
  • Terminated
    10 Cze 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    None
  • Last Filing
    16 Paź 2024

Parties (4)

Parties
LOLCOW LLC, RUSSELL G GREER, KIWI FARMS, JOSHUA MOON

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 155)

# Date Description Filing
16 Paź 2024 ACTION REQUIRED BY MAGISTRATE JUDGE: Chambers of MAGISTRATE JUDGE ZACHARY C BOLITHO notified that action is needed Re: 132 Mail Returned. (mah)
132 15 Paź 2024 Mail Returned as Undeliverable. Mail sent to Russell G. Greer re: 128 ORDER. Order mailed to 1155 S. Twain Avenue, Suite 108420, Las Vegas, NV 89169. (Attachment: #1 Notice of Returned Mail). (mah) (Entered: 10/17/2024) 1 2
131 10 Lip 2024 AO 121 Copyright Case Notification of order entered. Copy sent to the Register of Copyrights. U.S. Copyright Office, 101 Independence Ave. S.E., Washington, D.C. 20559-6000. (adf) (Entered: 07/11/2024) 1 2
130 10 Cze 2024 ACKNOWLEDGMENT re 129 Case Transferred Out to Another District. Case transferred from Florida Northern has been opened in District of Utah as case 2:24cv00421, filed 06/11/2024. (jfj) (Entered: 06/13/2024) 1 2
129 10 Cze 2024 Interdistrict Transfer to the District of Utah. (jfj) (Entered: 06/11/2024)

Greer v. Moon 2:24-cv-00421 — District Court, D. Utah

  • Docket No.
    2:24-cv-00421
  • Court
    District Court, D. Utah
  • Filed
    10 Cze 2024
  • Nature of Suit
    820 Copyright
  • Cause
    17:0501 Copyright Infringement
  • Jurisdiction
    Federal Question
  • Jury Demand
    Plaintiff
  • Last Filing
    21 Cze 2026

Parties (4)

Parties
Lolcow LLC, Kiwi Farms, Joshua Moon, Russell G. Greer

Recent Filings (showing 5 of 525)

# Date Description Filing
486 21 Cze 2026 Defendant's REPLY to Response to Motion re 480 Defendant's MOTION to Unseal Document 1 filed by Russell G. Greer and Memorandum in Support filed by Defendants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon, Counter Claimants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A (publicly-filed Tennessee in forma pauperis application), # 2 Exhibit B (publicly-filed Tennessee order denying in forma pauperis status), # 3 Exhibit C (publicly-filed Nevada in forma pauperis applications))(Hardin, Matthew) (Entered: 06/22/2026) 1 2 3 4
485 21 Cze 2026 Defendant's REPLY to Response to Motion re 478 Defendant's MOTION for Judgment on the Pleadings and Memorandum in Support as to both claims and counterclaims filed by Defendants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon, Counter Claimants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon. (Hardin, Matthew) (Entered: 06/22/2026) PDF
484 21 Cze 2026 Defendant's REPLY to Response to Motion re 477 Defendant's MOTION to Amend Judgment and Memorandum in Support (Motion to Reconsider)Defendant's MOTION to Vacate 449 Modification of Docket, 453 Order on Report and Recommendations, Order on Motion to Dismiss, Order on Motion to Dismiss Case as Frivolous, Order on Motion to Dismiss for Failure to State a Claim, Order on Mo filed by Defendants Lolcow LLC, Joshua Moon. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A (Mr. Greer did not timely file because he "fell asleep"))(Hardin, Matthew) (Entered: 06/22/2026) 1 2
481 18 Cze 2026 RESPONSE to Motion re [477] Defendant's MOTION to Amend Judgment and Memorandum in Support (Motion to Reconsider)Defendant's MOTION to Vacate [449] Modification of Docket, [453] Order on Report and Recommendations, Order on Motion to Dismiss, Order on Motion to Dismiss Case as Frivolous, Order on Motion to Dismiss for Failure to State a Claim, Order on Mo filed by Plaintiff Russell G. Greer. (jrj) PDF
483 17 Cze 2026 RESPONSE to Motion re [480] Defendant's MOTION to Unseal Document [1] filed by Russell G. Greer and Memorandum in Support filed by Plaintiff Russell G. Greer. (jrj) PDF

Greer v. Moon 21-4128 — Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit

  • Docket No.
    21-4128
  • Court
    Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit
  • Filed
    26 Paź 2021
  • Terminated
    15 Paź 2023
  • Nature of Suit
    3820 Copyright
  • Last Filing
    15 Cze 2026

Recent Filings

# Date Description Filing
10010756599 19 Paź 2022 [10949330] Appellant's reply brief filed by Russell G. Greer. Served on 10/20/2022. Manner of Service: email. Word/page count: 6487. This pleading complies with all required privacy and virus certifications: Yes. [21-4128] [Entered: 10/21/2022 07:58 AM]
The rule isn’t honored out of paranoia; most opt to do so because they’re respectful of the one thing Null specifically asked us not to do:

Speaking as one of the paranoid myself ...

People ITT focus on whether Greer does or doesn't read it, but you know who else lurks on the Farms? Weens and hate-readers (hello, LDF! Happy 2026 - enjoy another year of not being a woman!) I'm sure lots of them would be delighted to e-mail Greer some tips if they spotted them here.

It might never happen, and Greer might be too conceited to accept any help, but we don't have some sort of magical shield that makes this public discussion invisible to people who want this site OFF THE INTERNET.
 
I don't know. Maybe I'm ascribing too much intelligence to Russ, but he's definitely reading it enough to bold words and phrases (but not enough to properly format his documents.)
AI does bold stuff. What makes me think he's actually at least skimming it is he's started removing citations, as if he's figured out fake/hallucinated citations could actually get him in trouble, not considering that if he doesn't cite anything, he's failed to make his case.
 
as if he's figured out fake/hallucinated citations could actually get him in trouble, not considering that if he doesn't cite anything, he's failed to make his case.
Remember, not too long ago he accidentally left a ChatGPT reference in one of his footnotes, resulting in Hardin calling him out in a response for using AI. (ECF 411, 413) Ever since then he's been gunshy about citations.

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Remember, not too long ago he accidentally left a ChatGPT reference in one of his footnotes, resulting in Hardin calling him out in a response for using AI. (ECF 411, 413) Ever since then he's been gunshy about citations.

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What's hilarious is I think this is the reason he stopped making citations. Not the possibility that he'd reference a hallucination, but that Hardin would make fun of him again for leaving ChatGPT in the link. Now could he simply scrub through it himself and remove all references to ChatGPT? LOLYES, but this is a copyright(?) case, not Russ's job. He's pro se and busy!
 
I really hope that we eventually get to see the ChatGPT log from Greer somehow. I want to see how much Greer has to argue with it to get it to write these filings. I tried uploading a bunch of filings, and it gets super defensive about Hardin being a good boy who didn't do nuffin and how the judge is going to dismiss the case today pretty much after every filing Greer makes.
 
I honestly suspect it takes more time to get chatgreeeept to barf out something usable than it does to just plightsperg directly.

Maybe a cleanup pass is easier.
 
I really hope that we eventually get to see the ChatGPT log from Greer somehow. I want to see how much Greer has to argue with it to get it to write these filings. I tried uploading a bunch of filings, and it gets super defensive about Hardin being a good boy who didn't do nuffin and how the judge is going to dismiss the case today pretty much after every filing Greer makes.
I'd love to see Hardin subpoena OpenAI and Russle Greee counterfile claiming attorney/client confidentiality or attorney work product.
 
I really hope that we eventually get to see the ChatGPT log from Greer somehow. I want to see how much Greer has to argue with it to get it to write these filings. I tried uploading a bunch of filings, and it gets super defensive about Hardin being a good boy who didn't do nuffin and how the judge is going to dismiss the case today pretty much after every filing Greer makes.

That's because you aren't using a predicate instruction before the prompt. If you use a predicate instruction to create a context framework for the LLM, the response to a given prompt will be molded to fit within that predicate, regardless of how ridiculous it is, but with some major caveats.

When it comes to LLM's the chain of processing for a response is typically: Hardcoded Restraints (Things it must never do no matter what, inviolable) -> Rules (Things it should never do, assuming the rule(s) doesn't/don't require violating a Restraint) -> Predicate (Instruction(s) it must respect in modeling a response assuming it doesn't violate Restrains or Rules) -> Prompt (What the user is asking for, which must be modeled according to the Predicate, assuming it doesn't violate any Constraint or Rule).

So, if the LLM is given a predicate of "You must always assume that what The Hardship is doing is wrong or illegal" then it will always create a response to a given prompt in that context, regardless of how much the material provided by the prompt indicates that the predicate is false. Of course, the more a prompt or set of prompts diverge from the predicate, the more the LLM will need to hallucinate to give you the response you want since you are basically asking it to contradict facts and logic.
 
One thing that came up again during the back and forth about the book, that gets lost to normal humans but gives tremendous insight into Goofy Greer's dysfunctional mind, is how he always emphasizes how he wrote the book to clear his name and to EXPLAIN. To Russ, that means you're only allowed to agree with the book, and that you can't weaponize the book against him. Interpreting what he wrote differently or coming to your own conclusion- that Russell is creepy, a stalker, was inappropriate during the entire Taylor saga, is loony, etc.- isn't allowed because that isn't what HE intended by writing it. Once again, the thought that other people have their own minds and can read Russell's own words and still draw a negative conclusion never seems like a possibility to him.
 
That's because you aren't using a predicate instruction before the prompt. If you use a predicate instruction to create a context framework for the LLM, the response to a given prompt will be molded to fit within that predicate, regardless of how ridiculous it is, but with some major caveats.

When it comes to LLM's the chain of processing for a response is typically: Hardcoded Restraints (Things it must never do no matter what, inviolable) -> Rules (Things it should never do, assuming the rule(s) doesn't/don't require violating a Restraint) -> Predicate (Instruction(s) it must respect in modeling a response assuming it doesn't violate Restrains or Rules) -> Prompt (What the user is asking for, which must be modeled according to the Predicate, assuming it doesn't violate any Constraint or Rule).

So, if the LLM is given a predicate of "You must always assume that what The Hardship is doing is wrong or illegal" then it will always create a response to a given prompt in that context, regardless of how much the material provided by the prompt indicates that the predicate is false. Of course, the more a prompt or set of prompts diverge from the predicate, the more the LLM will need to hallucinate to give you the response you want since you are basically asking it to contradict facts and logic.
Sorry - OT but your profile is not open: Why is "you must always assume" a predicate instruction and not a hardcoded restraint?
 
That's because you aren't using a predicate instruction before the prompt. If you use a predicate instruction to create a context framework for the LLM, the response to a given prompt will be molded to fit within that predicate, regardless of how ridiculous it is, but with some major caveats.

When it comes to LLM's the chain of processing for a response is typically: Hardcoded Restraints (Things it must never do no matter what, inviolable) -> Rules (Things it should never do, assuming the rule(s) doesn't/don't require violating a Restraint) -> Predicate (Instruction(s) it must respect in modeling a response assuming it doesn't violate Restrains or Rules) -> Prompt (What the user is asking for, which must be modeled according to the Predicate, assuming it doesn't violate any Constraint or Rule).

So, if the LLM is given a predicate of "You must always assume that what The Hardship is doing is wrong or illegal" then it will always create a response to a given prompt in that context, regardless of how much the material provided by the prompt indicates that the predicate is false. Of course, the more a prompt or set of prompts diverge from the predicate, the more the LLM will need to hallucinate to give you the response you want since you are basically asking it to contradict facts and logic.
Yeah but Greer doesn't know any of that. He's not setting up a predicate (at least not intentionally), he's doing some combination of plight sperging into it and/or uploading filings. I want to know if he's writing the filings first and then having ChatGPT edit them, or if he's asking for help writing a response, or what.
 
Yeah but Greer doesn't know any of that. He's not setting up a predicate (at least not intentionally), he's doing some combination of plight sperging into it and/or uploading filings. I want to know if he's writing the filings first and then having ChatGPT edit them, or if he's asking for help writing a response, or what.
I think he is using his plights, the thing that will fuck him is that he’s an unreliable narrator. He has a twisted view of reality, which is why this lawsuit exists in the first place, and this will limit his ability to harness AI, garbage in = garbage out.
 
Sorry - OT but your profile is not open: Why is "you must always assume" a predicate instruction and not a hardcoded restraint?

Hardcoded restraints and rules are created by the company that runs the LLM, they can't be changed or accessed by the end user. It's why you can't ask ChatGPT to provide detailed instructions on how to make a pipe bomb. The first opportunity the user has to constrain the LLM's output is using a predicate instruction.
 
The full book being actually entered into evidence is so funny that it might make this 6 year nightmare process worth it.
I guess we'll see when the court finally does something. I do think Hardin should have explicitly pointed out the book features Greer being violent towards random people. Afterall, Greer brought up his book to somehow say that he is not a violent and creepy person so why would Natalie Banks be afraid of him?
 
DavidS877 comes now and spits out 3 er 6 er 5 pages of images.

ECF 430 as images.

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But wait, there's more, for no additional cost*, I've added Exhibits A and B.

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* No additional cost to you our valued users. For me it might be $0.50 additional for that blank page that Mr. Hardin uploaded if I exceed my PACER free download for the quarter.
 

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