💊 Manosphere Clavicular / Braden Eric Peters / ylrven - Moderator on looksmax.org, roid rat, takes out loans for cosmetic surgery, can't talk to women without doping, DIY surgeon

On yesterdays stream Clav went out to the club to do some IRL streaming, this was very short lived and a few minutes later the stream cuts out entirely. After some time when the stream finally comes back on and we learn one of Clavs girls broke his $2000 camera lens. The stream from here is just a PC stream from Clav's room at least until the point I quit watching it.

My stream fucks up at the end of the first clip so it cuts a bit at the end. Clav shows her the camera lens on amazon in the original stream, it cost 2200$.



At some point in the stream (shortly after returning IIRC) Clav says he spent over $4k at the club. This is probably true Because he went to a nicer club (meek mill was there according to the DJ lol) and bought signs. Like I mentioned earlier he was only there for a few minutes though so Clav was pretty annoyed with the whole situation.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Paternal use of anabolics/androgenics/whatever doesn't increase the chances of birth defects, only maternal use does (and afaik even then only during pregnancy, but I'm not as sure about this).
I was mostly talking about the meth, benzo, and ketamine maxxing. Wouldn't that mixed with all of his other downers use increase propensity for birth defects?

"He's tall and attractive, but he's also a gay retard. Should he reproduce?"
Thunk-Provoking

"Clav shows her the camera lens on amazon in the original stream, it cost 2200$."
She's gonna get another beating for that.

"Spoiler: Bumps on my dick"
Solid Monkeypox moment.

"Spoiler: Clav - Advice on being a woman"
He'll make a good wife one day.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
meth, benzo, and ketamine
No.

These things obviously affect morphology, motility, count, overall quality, whatever whatever but the main selection mechanism is on the female side. Damaged sperm usually never fertilizes the egg, if it does then it either gets repaired during the process or the embryo just kicks the bucket super early on, like as early as implantation, hence infertility (or practical infertility). Embryonic selection is very tough.

Birth defect mutations have a very specific, unrelated mechanism. Obviously I'm only talking about Clavicular (and males in general) here, maternal recreational drug, steroid abuse, whatever gets you very, very fucked up babies, the dad can go ham though.
 
Looks like the boy caught /pol/s attention tonight

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2200$.

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Oh my God how do you already have an STD? :story:
Nevermind🇮🇱

Are we sure he didn't already bend over for Thiel?
He's multiplying :O
>Inb4 The Church of Clav
 
He's like a bizarro Zyzz. He's like if Zyzz didn't lift or dance or get laid or relax or have any fun at all. He's like a cross between Zyzz and Elliot Rodger.

Very strange.
 
Clav got into a fight with his GF. It appears to have started this morning while he was still doing yesterdays stream. She tries to expose him for saying he wanted to hit her. I don't know the full context, I didn't watch the stream.



 
Clav got into a fight with his GF. It appears to have started this morning while he was still doing yesterdays stream. She tries to expose him for saying he wanted to hit her.
I'm fuming rn, how dare that low tier foid speak to Clav the Chad like that.
1,000 lashes and 3 years at the Elliot Rodgers forced breeding camps.
 
It wouldn't, it's a pretty common misconception too. Paternal use of anabolics/androgenics/whatever doesn't increase the chances of birth defects, only maternal use does (and afaik even then only during pregnancy, but I'm not as sure about this).

If he's taking gear it's literally as if he was taking male contraceptive, basically. He's just infertile while on gear and for a while off it until he recovers. At his age and with today's fertility medicine (like testicular sperm retrieval) it's unlikely that spermatogenesis doesn't recover once he stops or they can solve it another way, so he's in the gene pool alright. There is no real proof that past steroid usage (after recovery) causes genetic damage for men, it's just either he's infertile or not, no The Hills Have Eyes Clavicular babies unfortunately, as funny as that would be.
No.

These things obviously affect morphology, motility, count, overall quality, whatever whatever but the main selection mechanism is on the female side. Damaged sperm usually never fertilizes the egg, if it does then it either gets repaired during the process or the embryo just kicks the bucket super early on, like as early as implantation, hence infertility (or practical infertility). Embryonic selection is very tough.

Birth defect mutations have a very specific, unrelated mechanism. Obviously I'm only talking about Clavicular (and males in general) here, maternal recreational drug, steroid abuse, whatever gets you very, very fucked up babies, the dad can go ham though.
I have to disagree here and say that this is mostly just due to lack of data.

Case in point it used to be believed that the age of the father had no impact on the health of the child. While logically it follows that older sperm was likely worst in quality no one actually bothered to look. Now on the other hand it's pretty broadly accepted that fathering a child passed 40 leads to significantly increased likelihood for various mental disorders in the child, because people finally bothered to look.

We know that a bad lifestyle will decrease the quality of sperm in the short term (even then short term can be anywhere from 1-5 years) so it wouldn't be a stretch to say it probably does so in the medium and long term as well. We simply don't have any actual data on it because it would be massively difficult to do so.

Another thing i'll point out is the physical quality of the sperm may not inform the genetic quality. There's plenty of "healthy" sperm that carries a fuck tone of genetic mutations. Again going back to men over 40, even though their sperm can be considered healthy they still have a significantly larger mutation load on average compared to someone under 40. Or we can look at IVF, men that undergo IVF produce (physically) low quality and/or low quantity sperm but they're still able to extract high quality/low mutation genes from it.
 
risk of having tardbabies
I'll just spoilertag my response about fertility autism so I don't shit the thread up anymore.
Again, I am not advocating for substance or AAs abuse if you want to have proper kids, I'm just saying realistically it doesn't matter in this case. Generally people who care about this sort of thing anyway aren't into ketamine or meth, so I'm not even sure who I'm saying it for.

There obviously could be more data on it but there's an alright amount already, and population level studies don't really support paternal lifestyle factors as being very influential in general. Maybe there's a small effect, obviously it still isn't advised to smoke meth while you're trying to have kids but it likely doesn't really matter.

Paternal age is a very different mechanism than exposure to AAs or meth, you can't compare it at all. And even then that one isn't that great of an example, the causation link with paternal age is still much weaker than most people claim. There are newer articles too that don't actually attribute the age related mutations (which are proven and do exist how you said) in men to increased tardbaby risk, it's just that tards happen to have children later and then those kids inherit being tards (as they do). This model seems to fit the age-risk pattern in the larger population studies, so it does explain away the majority of increased psychiatric illness risk from old fathers.

Bad lifestyle: yes, of course it reduces sperm quality. The way the quality is reduced does end in most cases in what I outlined: either infertility or if you're lucky (or unlucky) enough and do manage to conceive despite being an alcoholic meth addict on TRT Mother Nature will just repair that shit for the most part. Say you're obese, like actually, most fertility clinics will not even bother advising you to lose weight if you're able to provide a 'good enough' sample. They will obviously tell you to stop smoking/drinking/etc as that's much more easily achievable and likely more impactful, but even then it still is about infertility/fertility mostly and they will just tell you to not do it for 3 months or whatever until it "flushes out", There really is no reason to talk about 1-5 years, obviously meth usage doesn't cause stem cells to mutate and with a brand new spermatogenesis cycle which is obviously only like 70-75ish days you'll get entirely new sperm unaffected by your earlier habits anyway.

The lack of data on it means nothing, obviously noone is going to come out with a paper titled "Meth induced spermatogonial stem cell mutations in humans" similarly how there isn't one with "Twinkies induced spermatogonial stem cell mutations in humans". It's explored enough through population level risk models, IVF databases, etc. There is no "black matter" cluster of mutations unexplained by age in paternal histories, mostly everything is accounted for and matches the numbers. Chemotherapy related issues and risks are explored plenty, for example, which is a much better analogue than age. There's assloads of studies done on kids fathered after chemotherapy, and the current consensus is that it doesn't increase risk. Most studies that did see increases in risk saw small ones and they match the pre-chemo risk, so it just happens that people predisposed to cancer have fucked up kids more often.

Last point: No? I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but that is not how selection for IVF works. Most mutations are randomly distributed anyway between all the cells. But anyway, there is no real IVF protocol where they even care about all of this, they just select the sperm based on motility and morphology, they literally don't care about anything else (mainly because through the mechanisms I outlined in my previous posts if a sperm is "ok enough" to conceive it will just get repaired by the embryo and won't result in mutantbabies.
I think the final form of non-incel looksmaxxers is the Pavel Durovesque eugenicist Genghis Khan, at that point this discussion doesn't even really matter anyway.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
There is no real proof that past steroid usage (after recovery) causes genetic damage for men, it's just either he's infertile or not, no The Hills Have Eyes Clavicular babies unfortunately, as funny as that would be
He's taken so many other drugs we might see at least one that increases the chances by .2%. 🤔 But he'd have to become fertile again first.


Birth defect mutations have a very specific, unrelated mechanism. Obviously I'm only talking about Clavicular (and males in general) here, maternal recreational drug, steroid abuse, whatever gets you very, very fucked up babies, the dad can go ham though.
Damn. The womb is just the more sensitive area.

The most he could do would be an older father with aging sperm. That increases the chances of autism (see: Chris and Bob). This implies he's living that long though.

>Inb4 The Church of Clav
Well, it'll burn out just as quick as it starts.

She tries to expose him for saying he wanted to hit her. I don't know the full context, I didn't watch the stream.
See, this is why you don't live or die on the internet livestream. A smarter move would be to just leave, then make a warning video. Getting yourself out of swinging range first and have a video you control, not him. Braden is a vindictive shit though, so if he does have spare time he might do something off camera to get revenge even if you aren't dating him anymore.

I don't think Clav's finding the smartest chicks in the Miami club scene or attracting them. I don't think he'd want to either.
 
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