Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

[Silence of the Troons]

“When I think about him I feel a bit scared,” the girl continued before she said she would really like her brother to write her a letter of apology because she said when people do bad things they “say sorry”.

This breaks my heart. She's only six years old so she obviously doesn't have the language to fully put into words what happened to her and doesn't completely understand it either.

The justice system is more concerned with his imaginary future potential than with the life he's ruined and the ones he will inevitably ruin in the future.

Even when he is released into society and inevitably turns out to be a good-for-nothing rapist nonce, the justice system will find a way to give him ”just another chance" just like it did with Jon Venables.

Most people in this thread are likely already familiar with the James Bulger case and this sorry excuse of a male, but: Jon Venables, one of the boys who tortured and murdered two-year-old James Bulger in 1993, was given a chance to show his alleged full potential when he was released in 2001. Upon his release, he immediately began engaging in antisocial behavior. In 2010, he was caught having CSAM on his hard drive and was sentenced to prison. He was released in 2013, only to be caught with possession of child pornography a second time in 2017. He is still in prison as of 2025.

Despite the fact that he poses a serious danger to the general public, British authorities have spent hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of pounds in taxpayer money in order to protect his anonymity and even looked into resettling him overseas at one point. In fact, by posting the compilation of images that shows him as an adult, I'm breaching a global ban on revealing his identity. People have received suspended prison sentences just for posting his new name and pictures of him as an adult on social media.

(Note to UK authorities: I am not British and I am under no obligation to abide by your retarded pro-nonce court orders no matter how much you claim they're valid worldwide.)

Even as of 2025, when he has had his parole bid rejected twice because he poses a danger to the public, the wording of the Parole Board

"The panel was not satisfied that release at this point would be safe for the protection of the public," the Parole Board said.

"It noted the risks as set out above, doubted Mr Venables' ability to be open and honest with professionals, and concluded that there remained a need for him to address outstanding levels of risk, and to develop his relationship with his probation officer."

https://archive.ph/MD2Q7
still indicates there is a slight possibility he could be rehabilitated because what if he (le gasp) might open up with professionals and develop an open relationship with his probation officer one day? The guy feels so little remorse, they've had to give him a new identity at least twice because he kept bragging about his past crimes. Where is the ”rehabilitative justice" in endangering the general public by releasing dangerous criminals that can't be rehabilitated over and over again into society, and then, to add insult to injury, make the taxpayers foot the bill? We don't let rabid dogs run free. We shouldn't let rabid moids run free either.

Offering Venables a one-way helicopter ride over the Atlantic Ocean would've cost the British taxpayers far less than the staggering amount of money that has been spent on giving him new identities alone (in 2001, the projected total cost of dealing with Venables and the second murderer Robert Thompson was reported to be up to £5 million; in 2010, Venables was given a new identity for the cost of £250,000, and then yet again in 2019 for the cost of another £65,000).

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Damn, I'm from the UK and have never seen any pics of him as an adult. Thank you for sharing.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I guess that they don't want to set a precedens of a lower class pedo rapist being actually punished, in case a nonce from the higher-upper circles gets uncovered. The latter, of course, can wriggle out of it like usual, but the people wanting blood, that's kinda undesirable anyway. If even Joe Poorfag ain't gonna dance his hempen jig, how can you expect your president or PM will.
As for the judge, I'd ask what is her motivation to be a benevolent, good-for-nothing judge instead of a strict and just one, and what is her reward for that, but since judges aren't elected by the citizens and are there from the government's will, I think the answer is quite clear.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Amidst all this criticism, I believe we're forgetting to thank British legal institutions for the stellar job they've done protecting UK and international citizens from the unspeakable dangers of women tweeting. They may let foreign and domestic rapists roam the streets unchecked, but you can be sure you're safe from those dastardly Facebook mums voicing their opinions (or, God forbid, facts and information) about said rapists.

Hono(u)rable mention goes to Australian courts, who have also made impressive strides lately in the suppression of women's speech. I'm sure the commonwealth nations can catch up to their imperial forebears if they try hard enough.

 

[fist_of_khonshu]

https://youtu.be/t-Nlrvtp_OA

If you're interested in knowing more about the spy cam and revenge porn problem in Korea, this was a pretty interesting doc.

Fuck me. My significant other is being stationed in Korea. Glad I came across this.

 

[Jellie Opal]

WE FOUND A REASON!

CHRISTMAS ARRIVED EARLY, LADIES.

(Note to UK authorities: I am not British and I am under no obligation to abide by your retarded pro-nonce court orders no matter how much you claim they're valid worldwide.)

Where is the ”rehabilitative justice" in endangering the general public by releasing dangerous criminals that can't be rehabilitated over and over again into society, and then, to add insult to injury, make the taxpayers foot the bill? We don't let rabid dogs run free. We shouldn't let rabid moids run free either.

I guess that they don't want to set a precedens of a lower class pedo rapist being actually punished, in case a nonce from the higher-upper circles gets uncovered. The latter, of course, can wriggle out of it like usual, but the people wanting blood, that's kinda undesirable anyway. If even Joe Poorfag ain't gonna dance his hempen jig, how can you expect your president or PM will.

The UK lets common rapists go because they're protecting the rapists at Buckingham Palace. Prince Andrew alone must be costing them millions upon millions of pounds and called-in favors to cover up his corruption. It's why they're also pushing AI so much. They want plausible deniability.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

SO to tldr from a different post in another thread.

Because of my minor association with the only goth bar in my area, a family friend has hit on my wife. We have a friend who took our photo, and I appeared in the background of a video holding a beer and talking to her. He thought because of the degenerate shit happening there (apparently the live DJ nights used to be a sex club five+ years ago) that my wife and I were into it. She knew this man for 10+ years, and they had an okay relationship...Now I'm just completely done with the alt and goth community. And the latter is just forced into that association by degen retards.

Men are pigs, but my god. I didn't think you could make a breed of people so wrong that most of them have straight female accomplices.

 

[Kyff]

^ Men : women can't take responsibility for anything
Also men : I just obliterated a decade long acquaintanceship because yolo, peepee hard

 

[Goth Pierrot]

SO to tldr from a different post in another thread.

Because of my minor association with the only goth bar in my area, a family friend has hit on my wife. We have a friend who took our photo, and I appeared in the background of a video holding a beer and talking to her. He thought because of the degenerate shit happening there (apparently the live DJ nights used to be a sex club five+ years ago) that my wife and I were into it. She knew this man for 10+ years, and they had an okay relationship...Now I'm just completely done with the alt and goth community. And the latter is just forced into that association by degen retards.

Men are pigs, but my god. I didn't think you could make a breed of people so wrong that most of them have straight female accomplices.

men completely ruin subcultures just to take advantage of women. the amount of men who think i am easy because i like to dress goth and hippie like, is astounding. i had never really experienced it irl until a couple of weeks ago, when i was at a goth night by myself, and a man who's group of friends i was dancing with, asked to make out with me. i obviously told him that i wasn't interested, and thankfully he took it well, but it soured the whole night for me.

 

[Jellie Opal]

men completely ruin subcultures just to take advantage of women. the amount of men who think i am easy because i like to dress goth and hippie like, is astounding.

Are we all goth in here?? What a beautiful community I found on KF. Love y'all. <3

Spoiler: Goth Rant: Siouxsie and the Man-Shees

This has also happened to me. It amped up a few years ago when the "goth dommy mommy" and "big tiddee goth gf" memes started to take off. I fit those categories; my ethnicity is also always tied to my goth aesthetic and the sexualized meme around ~ethnic goth gfs~ that men perpetuate. I started getting more sexually harassed/catcalled in public thanks to these memes. I rarely dress goth now in public because of the reactions I've gotten, unless I'm going out with friends and/or it's Halloween or something.

I've been approached by troglodyte pieces of shit who have practically shouted "OMG I WANT TO PUT MY HEAD IN BETWEEN YOUR THIGHS, CRUSH MY HEAD WITH YOUR THIGHS!!! BE MEAN TO ME I'VE BEEN BAD BE MY DOMMY MOMMY!" I would rather crush their skulls with a hammer. It's fucking off-putting and downright scary to be approached by more than one man trying to make you fit into this sexual role in public, suddenly making his way over to you because he wants to rattle off some Reddit meme in your face like a Pavlovian pervert dog. They think they're big shots just because they've fucking watched fucking Disney's Coco and that their rudimentary knowledge of "my" "culture" will impress me (lower my standard enough to...fuck them? Take pics with them? Punish them?). My aesthetic, my clothes, my makeup, my jewelry, my musical interests...none of that equals me lowering myself to please these men.

It's even worse when they've tried to take pictures with/of me because my body type (taller than most men and fat) combined with the goth aesthetic is their stupid meme wet dream. It genuinely makes me feel creepy. It genuinely makes me want to stay inside forever. Even when I've gone to goth nights at bars/clubs around town with groups of similarly dressed friends (mixed-sex groups, too!), there are always fucking loser moids there who make it their mission to make me uncomfortable because I Am the Meme.

 

[Drugged Flamingo]

Are we all goth in here??

I’m more of an autistic metal head, but close enough. There are shitty moids in the metal community too. They think the women at festivals are easy and when girls crowd surf the moids feel them up on their asses and thighs or even try a tit grab. I like to assist with crowd surfing, so I elbowed a few of them off the girls at the last one I went to,

 

[Jerri's Kid]

I’m more of an autistic metal head, but close enough. There are shitty moids in the metal community too. They think the women at festivals are easy and when girls crowd surf the moids feel them up on their asses and thighs or even try a tit grab. I like to assist with crowd surfing, so I elbowed a few of them off the girls at the last one I went to,

Yeah I avoided crowd surfing like the plague because I witnessed those hands trying to get all up under their skirts all the time. My experiences with heavy metal guys were more positive overall than the ones with goth guys though, as there is a lot of crossover with kink culture in the goth community. Also, troons have utterly infested the goth scene and one of the earliest troons I encountered in the wild was a goth. Rozz Williams would have likely trooned out by now had he not commited suicide because he was getting more and more into crossdressing before his death.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I am more into black metal, but the range of what I like in it is quite narrow. In hindsight, it seems to me every single man who I know is into it, let alone the authors, is somehow autistic, in the awkward way. As for the rare women, there is always 'something' off about them too. Apart from the screeching, which I understand it's not for everyone, normies seem to hate everything about black metal, from the high BPM to the used samples.
Don't shoot the messenger, but as for the goths, I've come to an observation, that those who are into the subculture past their college years not specifically for the music and/or fashion making, are a lot into BDSM and various kinks as well. Needles, meat hooks, scarification, that kind of shit. I guess it's because one can build a strong community on shared strong experience, and just the aesthetics & music aren't enough. Those who came to the same realization as they grew up, found a simpler style and dress up only for a concert.

 

[Jerri's Kid]

I am more into black metal, but the range of what I like in it is quite narrow. In hindsight, it seems to me every single man who I know is into it, let alone the authors, is somehow autistic, in the awkward way. As for the rare women, there is always 'something' off about them too. Apart from the screeching, which I understand it's not for everyone, normies seem to hate everything about black metal, from the high BPM to the used samples.
Don't shoot the messenger, but as for the goths, I've come to an observation, that those who are into the subculture past their college years not specifically for the music and/or fashion making, are a lot into BDSM and various kinks as well. Needles, meat hooks, scarification, that kind of shit. I guess it's because one can build a strong community on shared strong experience, and just the aesthetics & music aren't enough. Those who came to the same realization as they grew up, found a simpler style and dress up only for a concert.

I was always into it for the music so I don't really dress goth anymore unless I'm going to a show (which almost never happens these days). I was known as a prude back in the day because I was repulsed by the kink stuff. Metalheads generally don't care about shit like that and they are more generous with their weed so I made more friends in those circles.

 

[Drugged Flamingo]

Don't shoot the messenger, but as for the goths, I've come to an observation, that those who are into the subculture past their college years not specifically for the music and/or fashion making, are a lot into BDSM and various kinks as well.

There’s definitely a lot of crossover. I think it’s worth noting like you said adults that continue to make it their entire personality versus dressing up for an event or going out for fun. A lot of my troon/poon ex-friends fall into those categories because something in their core personalities makes them want to be “special,” almost like continuing the teenage rebellion phase a lot of us grew out of (or at least I did).

 

[Moldy Fleshlight]

Happy to see the goths in the thread coming out of the woodwork to hate men in our subculture. I'm lucky my guy friends I hang out with aren't douchebags, but that feels very rare.

I've mentioned I play a few instruments and do music in here before, and while this isn't exclusive to the scene, I often feel like men offer for me to join their bands so they can parade around having a pretty chick, rather than caring about my abilities. It's something that bothers me, and can be very isolating, because I can't find many other women who like to play similar stuff. Guitar scrotes are often narcissistic douchebags. Singer scrotes too. Bassists and drummers aren't usually as bad, but it's kinda a toss up. Overall it just makes me happy to work on my own thing, because fuck all that.

Spoiler: Goth band sperging

Side note, I have never forgiven Andrew Eldritch for being a Primadonna faggot and using Patricia Morrison for promotional material for The Sisters of Mercy and allegedly never even letting her play bass on Floodland. I wish people talked more about her work with other bands aside from them. She's great with The Damned and The Gun Club.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

I’m glad everyone is in mutual agreement. I literally only dress up for nights out. When I was younger, it wasn’t a big deal the way it used to be. I’d walk around done up, and just get the usual catcalls Now, I’m afraid even just a muscle shirt and thigh long shorts will fuck me over somehow. These people just won’t stop. I’ve literally been in my work clothes with little goth jewelry, and had to worry about men making it weird. A few years ago, I had a dude outright talk about his dick piercing to me. Why, because ‘goth girls have a lot of piercings, and I do too.’ I was picking up a few groceries for dinner, and he just locked in on me out of every woman in that room. I was genuinely fucking humiliated after the fact. I straight up stopped going to that store after that. I was just existing, and I was somehow supposed to find that appealing.

God, it was much worse when I was skinnier. This was way back before the big titty goth chic shit pick up. There wasn’t anything cutesy about being that skinny. I was one step from inpatient with the stress I was under, but everyone ate it up. All I did was smoke, drink coffee, and maybe eat when I could tolerate it. And I still got creeped on, and I was a straight nasty at that time. All that media (teen horror movies) and music just pushed the goth community as being sexually available. I love She Wants Revenge and Kidneythieves, (etc.) but what the fuck did I expect? This is how men of our community are presenting us. They present women of the group as sexually available, BDSM ready to please freaks. We’re really just a gimmick no matter what subgroup we’re in.

Happy to see the goths in the thread coming out of the woodwork to hate men in our subculture. I'm lucky my guy friends I hang out with aren't douchebags, but that feels very rare.

I've mentioned I play a few instruments and do music in here before, and while this isn't exclusive to the scene, I often feel like men offer for me to join their bands so they can parade around having a pretty chick, rather than caring about my abilities.

I play the bass, it’s nothing special. I love every second of it despite being shit most of the time. But Jesus, you either grilled on your abilities or hounded to join their band. I don’t know why they care. They’re probably just going to mix out of the damn song. Also, having a chic in the metal scene might as well be like having a show pony. You could be the most skilled person in the room, and they just want something pretty to one-up each other with.

 

[Jellie Opal]

Don't shoot the messenger, but as for the goths, I've come to an observation, that those who are into the subculture past their college years not specifically for the music and/or fashion making, are a lot into BDSM and various kinks as well. Needles, meat hooks, scarification, that kind of shit.

I was known as a prude back in the day because I was repulsed by the kink stuff.

I'm not gonna shoot the messenger! I've seen it myself. I absolutely hated how I'd go to any sort of goth event and it's just awash in leather freaks or wannabe vampires. Not a looker in the whole crowd. All of those freaks had the rounded shoulders of people who enjoy computers and dislike cardio.

I was also known as a prude back in high school in the alt crowds. I was growing up in a time when NIN and Marilyn Manson and similar were well-established and already old men, so their newer fan base of people my age were being ushered into ~the culture~ by older, yet equally immature, people. I hated how kink was expected to be part and parcel with the culture. I didn't want that. I remember writing about the frustration in my diary: I wanted sad poetry, not violence in sex. I wanted to wear black lipstick and spiked collars without the expectation that I was going to blow anyone. It didn't help that there would be pick-mes in lingerie at goth night/alt events/concerts, definitely playing the comparison game with us ugly chicks. But even though I was conventionally unattractive, I still experienced weird sexual harassment and sexual pressure to conform to this "slutty alt girl" persona, and at the very least, to accept that it was "part of the culture" and that women had to accept it or get the fuck out of the pit. I felt more punk being a prude, anyway, and later took comfort in Patti Smith, who at the time had published her first memoir where she also wrote about feeling ugly and like she didn't fit in anywhere.

A lot of my troon/poon ex-friends fall into those categories because something in their core personalities makes them want to be “special,” almost like continuing the teenage rebellion phase a lot of us grew out of (or at least I did).

I've witnessed the same terrible fashion logic in my trans ex-friends. The TIMs always end up looking like German alternative crossdressers and the TIFs always end up looking like school shooters.

The Gun Club.

Ahhhh, this is my favorite of her bands. This is my favorite song. I love the lyrics:

You can't take my dreams
You can't take my dreams
You can't take and steal from this body

I’ve literally been in my work clothes with little goth jewelry, and had to worry about men making it weird

Sadly also experienced this, thanks to the fucking Office Siren meme. (Memes have done a great job of training us to label each other, much like porn categorizes us.) I tried like hell to find it, but I've had no luck--there's a Dworkin quote that says something like "everything a woman does is sexualized, men will sexualize anything about a woman--even her resistance is sexualized."

This is how men of our community are presenting us. They present women of the group as sexually available, BDSM ready to please freaks. We’re really just a gimmick no matter what subgroup we’re in.

Bingo. No autonomy or agency--you're supposed to play the role set before you by horny losers.

 

[fake farts]

It's cool seeing other alternative women in the thread. I'm more a metalhead than anything, but I've been to some crust punk/grindcore shows too. Overall, I'd rank my experiences at the many shows I've been to as pretty positive, more positive than going to a normie club, and I don't even want to think about what shitholes modern day LGBTQP clubs are (which used to host goth nights back in the day in my area). I've definitely had a few dumb scrote experiences, from being hit on, to taking physical hits from dickhead males who wouldn't say anything, if I got near a pit, though those were pretty rare. Dating a guy for a while probably kept some of the retarded dickniggers at bay, but even solo as I am now, I don't seem to attract much attention, mercifully. Most people are just there to have fun, socialize, and head home. The misogyny of moids always seemed stronger and louder online, but it could be I just got lucky in my experiences. I feel you on "goth"/alt style now, how you can't even enjoy a cool spiked collar without some normie thinking you're a fetish faggot.

I do sort of hate how the clubs now have changed to stay afloat. I'm sure you see it where you live too, it's a lot of the shit you've already hit on: the infestation of trannies and KWEERZ and "sex-positive" types has led to clubs that tend to specialize in alt cultures to have events for that type of shit. Want to see drag queens don womanface, but do it to heavy metal/goth/punk music, rather than pop shit? There's a night for that. How about some burlesque pigslop, because performing for the male gaze is "empowering" when a dumb libfem says it is. "Trans rights are human rights" and "FREE PALESTINE" stickers and graffiti in the bathrooms, which always reminds me I really need to start bringing Sharpies to deface this shit. It makes me respect those men who still dare to wear Confederate battleflags on their Pantera merch in the Current Year all the more. Relics of the past, daring to be contrarian. I recently had a chat with the very nice owner of a metal club here, and he said those lame ass nights are pretty big draws, though he didn't call them "lame ass nights". But it's alright, I'll call them that for him, whether he agrees or not. It's the nature of the beast now.

As for crowd surfing, and stage diving, I've done it, many years ago. Once at a comedy show, of all places. No gropings, but I wouldn't recommend it for women, not unless you're in an environment where you feel like you can really trust the audience. And chances are, you can't.

Also fuck Livenation owned venues. How the fuck is it it costs more for me to see GWAR or Kreator than Primus? Insane. Okay, it was lawn seats, but still...

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Spoiler: I'm just here to fucking whine about everything

I hate to beat on the younger generation of alt kids, but I blame some of them for the continuance of the hypersexualization and deterioration of the alt community. Dare I say the fetishization of older men that pretty much just makes an open door policy for literal pedophilia. It's sad enough that kids these days are taught that to be mature is to dress sexually. Like the days of just showing your tummy and wearing a little bit of makeup is a whole 'nother beast now. These kids have lost the fundamentals of being punk and even just being alt in general. My takeaway wasn't just the music and fashion, but the mentality. You actually had a strong sense of morals and gave a fuck about your life being a little less shitty. A lot of us were even kind to strangers just because we could. Like the branch of my old scene composed of everyone from shitty homes. Like we were poor and our parents kicked the shit out of us regularly. On top of just our poor social status at school in general. People sucked. Shit sucked. But we weren't going to go out of our way to make everyone's life worse. Now all I see are BPD, fake alt faggots having slap fights over who's woke enough, but can't even tell you why what's happening is bad outside of talking points.

Feminism for them is now a fucking joke too. It's filtered through this queer-friendly alternative perspective that won't even acknowledge "ciswomen" as doing the whole fucking legwork to get us anywhere. Now it's just hypersexuality, queerness, and maybe pretending to care about actual women's issues if a tranny isn't in the room. It's just fucking depressing. At this point, counterculture might as well be a Boy Scouts badge.

God, and the amount of outfit checks these alt girls do now is honestly devastating. They either need their tits out, ass out, or borderline pussies out. Obviously, men, but other girls applaud them for exposing themselves for attention. It's this weird, vicious cycle that to be recognized in the community is to be noticed by men. To be noticed by men is to be some deviant ass freak into some barely legal shit. I think the worst part of it is that they have to get fucked up in the head by a dude to realize that shit was just sad and needless. Literally the same dudes that can barely wash their hands, let alone their asses, for an indoor concert have been placed in the position of a high priority item...

All I want is to go to a 21+ event and listen to some music. I just didn't want to deal with 18 yr olds and men (overlapping) being fucking creepy, because someone had the nerve to wear a spike collar. Not even conservative clothes can protect you, because you decide a fishnet top or tights wouldn't be too much