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[quaawaa]

Zurich (the canton) voted to strip Zurich (the city) of the ability to set speed limits, repealing their 30 kph (18 mph) speed limit:

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/r/fuckcars is mad:


Now cities controlling suburbs is bad because suburbanites can vote:


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[Xarpho's Return]

The juxtaposition:

They can never escape the accusations of being a loser without a car because they neither know how to drive one nor wealthy enough where it becomes a lovable eccentricity.

This was nearly 260 mph, and despite outrage, it was all deemed legal.

That looks REALLY scary, looked like the car could be cleared for takeoff.

Now cities controlling suburbs is bad because suburbanites can vote:

That happens every time. They demand that suburbanites pay into the city but hate the idea of giving them a voice or a vote, forcing them into awkward positions like "Those suburban interests are blocking Greater Bughive Transit Authority's new rail plan" without admitting that dropping the suburban counties would cut off a chunk of revenue, or complaining that suburbs should pay up but then refuse to annex them because they know that it could change the vote.

What they want is complete tyranny.

 

[MIU]

That looks REALLY scary, looked like the car could be cleared for takeoff.

Agreed, i probably wouldn't dare do that even if my car was capable of that.

It does make me wonder, why are dutch trains so fucking slow? The max speed for a train here is like 200km/h and you're lucky if they actually go that speed as it's usually like 140 which makes them almost entirely useless as they're more expensive and slower than driving with the amount of stops needed taken into account. A train needs to go at least 2x the speed of a car in order to make the travel time comparable due to how much downtime public transport has. Why are there basically no proper bullet trains or anything like that? Maybe I'm retarded but isn't the main benefit of a rail compared to a road the ability to savely go at speeds which otherwise would be unsafe?

I'd hate to be "thing: japan" but at least they got that figured out, but i don't see urbanists salivate over that nearly as much as they do Netherlands.

 

[Meriasek]

I do like it when I'm on the high speed train here and it goes over 300 km/h. Sadly it happens rarely...

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Maybe I'm retarded but isn't the main benefit of a rail compared to a road the ability to savely go at speeds which otherwise would be unsafe?

There have been a few videos at "look at how fast TRAIN is going compared to car!" but the main argument about trains in the city has never been about speed or reduced commute times, it's about theoretical efficiency.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

There have been a few videos at "look at how fast TRAIN is going compared to car!" but the main argument about trains in the city has never been about speed or reduced commute times, it's about theoretical efficiency.

Which is fair, intercity rail and commuter rail are different use cases. Commuter rails is supposed to reduce vehicles on urban roads and non-thru traffic on urban freeways. Too bad we're not allowed to arrest violent schizos and 13 percenters anymore.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Why are there basically no proper bullet trains or anything like that? Maybe I'm retarded but isn't the main benefit of a rail compared to a road the ability to savely go at speeds which otherwise would be unsafe?

The Shinkansen was almost a complete failure and very nearly ended the careers of literally everyone involved in it. It more or less succeeded due to sunk cost fallacy.

My guess as to why most other nations haven't done the same is because it's just simply too expensive, and the projected profits are also probably way lower than just increasing road infrastructure, which is another thing that urbanists don't seem to understand: taxes and the governments gluttonous need for them. Think about how many points you can tax a car owner compared to the average mass transit commuter, the government is going to want that tax money and the fact that it's probably cheaper and more efficient for them to upgrade and maintain road infrastructure than it is for them to do so with rails (especially HSR) would undoubtedly be a huge factor in their decision making process.

ETA: Japan is also more suited to mass transit than most other countries simply due to its geography. It's a very mountainous and seismically active country with an extremely concentrated population density spread out amongst the scarce flat areas between the mountains. Getting between these flat areas means going through or around the mountains in a very limited number of directions and there's very little of anything between the hyper dense mega cities on the flats. This means that trains aren't being kneecapped by the freedom of movement a car gives in a flatter more open country since everyone has to travel the same route and a train can keep pace with a car due to the lack of stops between cities since there's just nothing there. And even then it's still nice to have a car if you live in one of the more sparsely populated areas of Honshu or Hokkaido. Japan also has (for the most part) fairly mild weather the occasional typhoon being the exception. The winters aren't that cold or snowy for most of the country and the summers are hot and humid but that rarely shuts down transit.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Show me a more European picture than this. You cannot.

 

[Kyria the Great]

There have been a few videos at "look at how fast TRAIN is going compared to car!" but the main argument about trains in the city has never been about speed or reduced commute times, it's about theoretical efficiency.

Though United States has an awesome rail infrastructure for cargo which I believe is better anyways as it's a cheap way to mass haul things across the country in a relatively timely manner to cargo hubs.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Though United States has an awesome rail infrastructure for cargo which I believe is better anyways as it's a cheap way to mass haul things across the country in a relatively timely manner to cargo hubs.

We have great low speed rail infrastructure, yeah. But it's low speed only and a lot of it is single track rather than double track.

 

[Kyria the Great]

We have great low speed rail infrastructure, yeah. But it's low speed only and a lot of it is single track rather than double track.

I always will rebuke the spergs that if our transportation was so terrible, then why are we able to have shelves full of products in our grocery stores?

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

Show me a more European picture than this. You cannot.
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Americans tremble in fear before the mighty mini roundabouts

 

[IdiotPlusPlus]

We have great low speed rail infrastructure, yeah. But it's low speed only and a lot of it is single track rather than double track.

If I remember correctly it's because the US Feds have set a national limit at 79mph unless you use some specific PTC that none of the railroads had/have or want to install(post the Napierville crash?), ironic considering the states was the leader in rail tech like PTC for ages.

Plus once you get into higher speeds things like level crossings start being an issue(Florida's chlorine the brightline is a great example lol) you basically have to start designing the rail corridors like freeways, which the urbanists ironically get all NIMBY about xD

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

If I remember correctly it's because the US Feds have set a national limit at 79mph unless you use some specific PTC that none of the railroads had/have or want to install(post the Napierville crash?), ironic considering the states was the leader in rail tech like PTC for ages.

Plus once you get into higher speeds things like level crossings start being an issue(Florida's chlorine the brightline is a great example lol) you basically have to start designing the rail corridors like freeways, which the urbanists ironically get all NIMBY about xD

There's not a whole lot of benefit to going faster for US rail since it would require redesigns of many major lines and new safety features that cut into profit margins and the unions don't particularly want either. Plus the vast majority of US rail traffic is freight, you don't really need your freight trains to do British express passenger rail speeds.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Americans tremble in fear before the mighty mini roundabouts

We also aren't moving in a direction where our buses are getting so long that they might get to a point where a single bus could crash into itself.

We have great low speed rail infrastructure, yeah. But it's low speed only and a lot of it is single track rather than double track.

There are enough lines that operate in a given area where it doesn't have to be double-tracked because of another line going to the same area. Remember when George H.W. Bush died and they took his body to be buried in College Station? If you followed the line from College Station to downtown Houston, it's a single-track railroad (except in a few limited spots). But there are three lines that you could take from Houston to College Station (they are consolidated in Navasota, south of College Station), with two of them owned by Union Pacific specifically.

Even now, a lot of 3+ tracks in big cities are a result of consolidations to make things easier. In the 1950s, Memphis had consolidated Union Railway (owned by Missouri Pacific)'s track by adding it alongside the right-of-way of Nashville, Chattanooga and St. Louis, eliminating an awkward railroad bridge that stretched diagonally across a four-way intersection.

There's not a whole lot of benefit to going faster for US rail since it would require redesigns of many major lines and new safety features that cut into profit margins and the unions don't particularly want either. Plus the vast majority of US rail traffic is freight, you don't really need your freight trains to do British express passenger rail speeds.

There's a lot more than just speed, first off it's impractical from an energy standpoint since a freight train tows 100+ cars instead of just 10 like Brightline does. Plus, since the gross tonnage of what an average train car can carry since the 1950s (modern technology, plus more specialized cars for specific materials), the advantages of more cargo outweigh slight advantages in speed. (Trains are terrible for time-sensitive materials).

 

[Palantir]

Something that trainoids often miss with the posts where they zoom past backed up traffic is that the person in the train still has to get to their destination after arriving.

My commute by train is:

15 min bike ride + 55 min train + 15 min walk
= 85 mins

My commute by car is:

1 hour plus a 15 min walk = 75 mins

Plus in the car as soon as I get home I'm at my front door, I don't have the pain of cycling home in the freezing cold and rain.

The price by car is about equal to the train at the moment because of discounts I get on trains, but those disappear next year so I'll be driving.

Plus in the car I have my own space, okay I can't work in the car, but the train doesn't really allow me to work either because the phone internet is so bad I struggle to send teams messages nevermind attend a meeting or run a remote desktop.

Plus if your able to work from home, then I often go home over lunch to avoid the bad traffic/full trains.

 

[quaawaa]

Something that trainoids often miss with the posts where they zoom past backed up traffic is that the person in the train still has to get to their destination after arriving.

They also miss that when they stop at a station, many of the cars they passed will pass them.

 

[Meriasek]

They also miss that when they stop at a station, many of the cars they passed will pass them.

And that you're bound by the schedule of the train. It's less of a problem with a metro system that comes every few minutes, but commuter trains usually go by a timetable, not an interval, and they don't come as often.

 

[Dead Lion]

140 in Poland must be a lie as I frequently travel at 160 and there are still people tailgating me
The same thing is happening in other euro countries, everyone is speeding; just behaving well when there is a police car nearby or there is a speed camera. Most navigation apps alert you when you're getting close to one of these

>people


BMW owners aren’t people they’re subhuman filth.

You’re also a nigger for speeding.

There's not a whole lot of benefit to going faster for US rail since it would require redesigns of many major lines and new safety features that cut into profit margins and the unions don't particularly want either. Plus the vast majority of US rail traffic is freight, you don't really need your freight trains to do British express passenger rail speeds.

Also HSR requires a ton of maintenance for obviously reasons. Considering how most of the systems runs through middle of nowhere with nobody around it would cause problems. You would also need to run electricity all along and deal with copper thieves and other shenanigans involving that.

 

[The Jewel of the Nile]

You’re also a nigger for speeding

t. gruz* owner that blocks the left lane driving 100kmh

*gruz means a shitbox, a beater