Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

From my understanding the Army has switched to solid state, the Navy fiber-optics. Those chemicals tend to be extremely nasty (the Boeing YAL used a mixture of iodine, chlorine, hydrogen peroxide and potassium hydroxide) and require bulky storage systems while advancements in both electronics and cooling have made alternatives more viable, especially at lower output levels like counter-drone warfare.
Uncle Sam had immediate ditched chemical lasers after the Boeing YAL proved the laser concept worked in the late 90s. Precisely because the chemicals are nasty as fuck right then and there and being turbo carcinogenic. Secondly the amount of space and tonnage the chemicals take up made it completely unviable for every mobile and stationary platform.
 
Uncle Sam had immediate ditched chemical lasers after the Boeing YAL proved the laser concept worked in the late 90s. Precisely because the chemicals are nasty as fuck right then and there and being turbo carcinogenic. Secondly the amount of space and tonnage the chemicals take up made it completely unviable for every mobile and stationary platform.
Yeah, they might be industrially useful, but certainly not as a weapon.
 
Daylight pics of the tanker Virat:
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Fwiw, those tankers were riding high & empty on the return trip. It was just their bunker fuel burning (along with the other important bits), so at least they're not dumping full loads of craptacular Russian crude into the sea off Turkey. And it's not like the roaches would care much anyways; I don't figure the Russians will try to salvage them, so they'll net some cheap steel & scrap value for free, all at Russian expense. Which is nice.
That's very considerate of Ukraine, I'm impressed
I'm no naval expert, but those look like holes to me
 
It may have only penetrated the outer hull, or it may be that they've got good enough pumps to keep it at bay. If the main tanks aren't penetrated then it'll stay afloat pretty easily.
It was on fire pretty good, I assumed one of the bulk compartments got holed and whatever residual oil in there burned, but water flooding in prevented it catching the whole thing on fire? Maybe “what’s going on with shipping” will cover it.

Looks like a loss as far as the dark fleet is concerned anyway.

Edit: here’s Sal,: https://youtu.be/HpmuA6FNrTs
 
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From my understanding the Army has switched to solid state, the Navy fiber-optics. Those chemicals tend to be extremely nasty (the Boeing YAL used a mixture of iodine, chlorine, hydrogen peroxide and potassium hydroxide) and require bulky storage systems while advancements in both electronics and cooling have made alternatives more viable, especially at lower output levels like counter-drone warfare. Don't forget the nature of drone warfare means your lasers will have a cooldown and recharge period after you get swarmed, unlike prior tests which were against a continuous barrage of conventional indirect fire weapons. A 155mm howitzer shell or even a 120mm mortar round both require a lot more energy to take out than a plastic drone with exposed parts, too.
Exactly. Now we have 100+ kw electric lasers so the need for massive chemical lasers is essentially over

That said the YAL was allegedly close to a megawatt in power....
 
Any truth that he fled to Israel?
Not so far.

An alleged mastermind of the corruption plot and past business acquaintance of Zelensky, Timur Mindlich has fled to Israel. Yermak would be basically be a former person if he did that.

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source: Times of Israel

Rustem Uremov has replaced Yermak which a writer in Kyiv Post finds perplexing. Presumably Zelensky wants someone with the same skillset. Yermak was Zelensky's consigliere, chief advisor and diplomatic spearhead. Uremov is the former Defense Minister. The problem with him is that he's a close associate of the tainted Yermak and having him head Ukraine's diplomatic efforts at this times means a severe distraction. Uremov's family has eight luxury properties in the US with only three declared. Zelensky does need someone of one mind, but employing men who carelessly mix the private and public has reputational and operational ramifications. It's surely not wise.

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Uremov and Yermak

Russia's arms network which involves not just Russia supplying but the clients supplying Russia with the expertise for its version of the Shaheed drone, the Geran 2.



Ukrainian FM salutes the Polish Pres Nawocki for declining to meet Orbán after his meeting with Putin. Orbán wants Ukraine to be a buffer between Russia and NATO. That gypsy lardo could be the buffer.
 
Maybe I should have more faith in Russia collapsing any day now, but I'm too jaded by years now of armchair generals saying they will collapse any day now.
Yet we've had armchair generals claiming the Ukrainian lines are gonna cave any day now since week 1.

Uncle Sam had immediate ditched chemical lasers after the Boeing YAL proved the laser concept worked in the late 90s. Precisely because the chemicals are nasty as fuck right then and there and being turbo carcinogenic. Secondly the amount of space and tonnage the chemicals take up made it completely unviable for every mobile and stationary platform.
Other issue is the range of the laser compared with the size and speed of the aircraft.

Flying a giant Boeing bird around Russian and Chinese airspace would be an absolute non-starter (even if you did hypothetically know when exactly an ICBM/IRBM would be launched), and even someone like North Korea or Iran can pose a threat to a big fat slow giant laser plane with what SAMs and last-generation fighters they have.

Even if you know a launch is about to occur, how do you get the big boeing laser bird airborne and within laser range of the missile before it actually happens?
 
Turn on the subtitles and set to auto-translate, the song they used's lyrics are pretty great lol.

Edit: man at an Odessa recruiting/conscription center pulls a grenade from his bag & detonates it:
On Friday, an explosion occurred on the premises of the Peresyp District Territorial Center for Recruitment and Social Support (TCC) in Odesa, resulting in the death of a citizen and injuries to a TCC serviceman.

According to law enforcement, preliminary findings indicate that one person was killed and another was wounded.

Police and emergency services are currently working at the scene of the explosion.

The circumstances of the incident are being established. "Details to follow," the statement said.

Later, the Odesa Regional TCC and SP reported that while TCC personnel were speaking with a citizen inside the center's premises, an unknown object contained within his personal belongings exploded.

As a result of the detonation, the citizen died at the scene. A TCC serviceman also sustained injuries; he was promptly provided with pre-hospital care and hospitalized at a medical facility. The condition of the injured serviceman is being clarified.

Investigative-operational groups from the National Police and the Security Service of Ukraine, along with representatives of the State Emergency Service, are working at the site. All circumstances of the incident, as well as the origin of the explosive object, are being established.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2025/11/21/8008392/
 
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This recent POW Sergey of Leningrad kills seven comrades after signing a new contract.

I notice that Turkiye isn't happy with naval drone strikes on Ruzzian tankers in its 'exclusive economic zone' while Kazakhstan has asked Ukraine to cease attacks on a Russian coastal refinery that processes a good deal of their crude. It's the very horns of a dilemma. Both have shown friendliness to Ukraine (Turkiye in a more concrete way via the Bayraktar drone which has got a second life on the Black Sea inshore or estuary of the Dnipro) but they profit from grey market laundering for Russian imports and exports.

Edit: https://militarnyi.com/en/news/nava...nsortium-s-marine-terminal-out-of-commission/
 
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It may have only penetrated the outer hull, or it may be that they've got good enough pumps to keep it at bay. If the main tanks aren't penetrated then it'll stay afloat pretty easily.
The ship is afloat and not listing, so its technically fixable. However, given these vessels are already past their service life, like @Oxyjen said it might as well be on the bottom. I really doubt even Russia goes through the effort to fix it. But they were also sending river barges into the open ocean so its not like dumbass moves are unheard of in their desperation.

I'm sort of curious to see what happens because that thing is going to be a bitch to move with a hole in it, and oil tankers are a bitch to shipbreak so you're looking at bottom tier scrap value.

From my understanding the Army has switched to solid state, the Navy fiber-optics. Those chemicals tend to be extremely nasty (the Boeing YAL used a mixture of iodine, chlorine, hydrogen peroxide and potassium hydroxide) and require bulky storage systems while advancements in both electronics and cooling have made alternatives more viable, especially at lower output levels like counter-drone warfare. Don't forget the nature of drone warfare means your lasers will have a cooldown and recharge period after you get swarmed, unlike prior tests which were against a continuous barrage of conventional indirect fire weapons. A 155mm howitzer shell or even a 120mm mortar round both require a lot more energy to take out than a plastic drone with exposed parts, too.
The lasers for drone defence are entirely solid state and just cost power plus wear out of optics.
Two classes of laser system are being worked out.
There are small point-defense/unit-defense sorts of lasers, shorter ranged against small targets at ranges of > 1Km and usually under 100m and usually rated in the dozens of watts. That's not what I'm talking about.

What I'm talking about is the large megawatt ones like the A-100LL (which is what started this tangent) were initially designed for hunting ICBMs - or what Rusians call Hypersonics - at ranges of hundreds of KM.

to @Fanatical Pragmatist 's point, the YAL was a demonstrator. The end goal was lasers that could hit ICBMs in space. The midterm goal, given they were only able to get out about a hundred kilometers with anything that had enough power could be termed a threat to a missile, was to figure out the laser then shrink it and put it on a stealth drone. You send dozens of these over Russian airspace and remove their ability to launch, or even more likely, send them over Iran and take down their MRBMs over their own airspace.

The YAL was shutdown having been deemed a success in figuring out tracking lasers and improving optics. The "kill laser" was determined to need more time to bake and was moved back to the lab, while work on the drone platform was green lit but AFAIK no demonstrators have been built to date.

This has new interest, because the thinking is if you can hit an ICBM you can wipe out a Shaheed.

Since you're over your own airspace it fixes the vulnerability problem, be able to get on-target faster than any landbased system, while being cheaper per-shot than any missile. The end goal being you'd shrink the laser to drone sized and have a bunch of Shaheed-hunters that you'd keep airborne and patrolling, each one able to take out dozens of Shaheeds and would be quick to service and ideally a lower cost than Russian SAMs
 
I'll not laugh when Xi Jinping, Putin, Lukashenko, and Maduro adamantly demand that Ukraine have elections, or as soon as the war is over. Ukraine should be allowed into NATO, the only reason Russia is against it is that once Ukraine is in NATO, then It's100% out of its current/future sphere of influence to install a puppet leader, like Belarus.
 

Pokrovsk still not fallen and RU columnist sees Putin as happy to talk on something he won't agree to - stringing along Trump (who'll blame Zelensky and Ukraine anyhow) and Girkin also sees peace as impossible short of Russian war aims of NATO leaving Eastern Europe and mainly as it cedes a Russian issue to the US. Also peace negates the mobilisation decree and shrinks the officer corps. The implication is any peace is only a ceasefire.

Ukraine has to be helped until the empire is buck broken.


Russia now sending mobiks into battle without helmets and battle armor like a bunch of African rebels (not the Rwadan funded rebels who tend to have radical military equipment). Putin makes a big play via his shills that he doesn't need peace, but if Russian agent Witkoff and crooked Kushner (who are off to Moscow today) compromise Ukraine's Donbass defenses, he'll take it.


Honestly I doubt Musk is unhappy nor does the Trump Administration care given the potential for making money using state resources.


Ukrainian businesses face labor shortages from farms to factory as a result of war created mass emigration and enlistment.
 
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Russia now sending mobiks into battle without helmets and battle armor like a bunch of African rebels (not the Rwadan funded rebels who tend to have radical military equipment). Putin makes a big play via his shills that he doesn't need peace, but if Russian agent Witkoff and crooked Kushner (who are off to Moscow today) compromise Ukraine's Donbass defenses, he'll take it.
One of the reasons I consider total mobilization unlikely, they can't even equip people willing to fight right now, let alone entirety of Russian male population fit for war. It would be as inefficient as it is unpopular.

Regardless of what ziggers say, war isn't going well for Putin. It started not going well the moment it became a war, something that a lot of people fail or simply refuse to acknowledge. It clearly wasn't supposed to.
Failure to pull off quick takeover and allowing it to become everyone's problem forced Russia to start making sacrifices, throwing resources and connections into the furnace of war. There's only so much one can burn.

Putin is undoubtedly looking for a way out that allows him to save face and claim victory. As I've said before, US forcing Ukraine to make concessions is probably the only realistic way to do that. Even if you put speculations about Trump and his team being influenced by money and whatnot aside, just Putin being a pissbaby with nukes gives him priority in negotiations, compared to Zelensky who arguably doesn't have anything.

(Well, if we ignore the fact that Ukraine is essentially forced into diffusing putinist expansion at the cost of their own blood for everyone else's sake. It's probably the most experienced and hardened military force on the planet when it comes to modern warfare, it would be retarded for US to squander such an ally in the region. But I suppose Trump's Nobel peace prize takes precedence)
 
One of the reasons I consider total mobilization unlikely, they can't even equip people willing to fight right now, let alone entirety of Russian male population fit for war. It would be as inefficient as it is unpopular.

Regardless of what ziggers say, war isn't going well for Putin. It started not going well the moment it became a war, something that a lot of people fail or simply refuse to acknowledge. It clearly wasn't supposed to.
Failure to pull off quick takeover and allowing it to become everyone's problem forced Russia to start making sacrifices, throwing resources and connecti
ons into the furnace of war. There's only so much one can burn.

Putin is undoubtedly looking for a way out that allows him to save face and claim victory. As I've said before, US forcing Ukraine to make concessions is probably the only realistic way to do that. Even if you put speculations about Trump and his team being influenced by money and whatnot aside, just Putin being a pissbaby with nukes gives him priority in negotiations, compared to Zelensky who arguably doesn't have anything.

(Well, if we ignore the fact that Ukraine is essentially forced into diffusing putinist expansion at the cost of their own blood for everyone else's sake. It's probably the most experienced and hardened military force on the planet when it comes to modern warfare, it would be retarded for US to squander such an ally in the region. But I suppose Trump's Nobel peace prize takes precedence)
I doubt the Nobel Prize Committee will think much of a shoddy effort to push Ukraine into a defeat. I think dodgy money making is as much a motive. Trump wants the plaudits but his crew want every cent they can make from the Presidency.


Lady Lindsey of South Carolina responds to UA CinC turned UK Ambassador Zalushyii's proposals in the Uk's Telegraph. While agreeing with much of the analysis, the senior SC Senator sees his remedies like Ukraine in NATO as unrealistic.
 
Even lower, actually. The USN's got some 120+ kilowatt lasers in various testing that can run off the ship's powerplant, even if the power draw at max power means they have to pick and choose what to keep running on account of the new radar the Flight III Burkes have that compete with it. Of course considering how powerful that radar is you could probably cook a drone with it no problem. And the US Army's got one that runs off lithium-ion batteries, and can apparently fit on the Avenger drone. Lasers are one of the few things the US military is seriously tight-lipped about, and I don't blame them since what little they've let out into the public indicates they've got the potential to be a real game-changer. Going to be real tough to drone swarm a column of Abrams tanks if they all have a PD laser on a CROWS like something out of Command and Conquer Generals
Even particle beam publications dried up on the early 1990s.... Hmm indeed.

Israel just introduced the Iron Beam laser air defense system into service
 
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