SMO thread got tired of Ukraine and is arguing about Hitler and Stalin again

[Candlelight Desolation]

I don't think Germany is prepared for any amount of remilitarization after decades of getting cucked.

That country has been completely neutered after 1945. They've already admitted it'd take a century to catch up to Russian ammo and materiel production if I recall correctly. They're believing their own propaganda at this point.

 

[Exegesis]

That country has been completely neutered after 1945.

I talked about this before; the issue is that everyone in Europe knows that a centralized and efficient German state is a direct threat to literally everybody else and its why they spent over 100 years trying to limit them. A high trust society with access to a good amount of natural resources and a sizable population is basically unstoppable until that society becomes too trusting with the government which allows for literal retards like the Nazis to take over and run the entire thing off a cliff.

 

[RSU 1741]

I talked about this before; the issue is that everyone in Europe knows that a centralized and efficient German state is a direct threat to literally everybody else and its why they spent over 100 years trying to limit them.

Oversimplification. The Prussian State was a direct competitor to Britain (and Imperial Russia) and had to be neutered. It was neutered. Post-reunification Germany did manage to regain its premiere role as a locomotive of European industry and relative European politics (excluding military matters and foreign policy, because those are the province of the imperial hegemony, the US) and it was horrific.

The EU has been managed mostly by German interests in the last 20+ years. The results speak by themselves: economic disaster, social failure and political humiliation at every turn. West Germans and their "work on the economy through German methods and everything will be fine" was a complete fucking disaster. Remember ten years ago when Merkel was the Saviour of Western Civilization before people realized she was an incompetent buffoon that was there just because no one else wanted the job of being a puppet?

People being "scared" or hoping that Germany will regain its military and political prominence are delusional. Prussian spirit was purposefully destroyed in Germany: it's now a basket case of failing politics and a terrified, old population.

 

[Viriatus]

I talked about this before; the issue is that everyone in Europe knows that a centralized and efficient German state is a direct threat to literally everybody else and its why they spent over 100 years trying to limit them. A high trust society with access to a good amount of natural resources and a sizable population is basically unstoppable until that society becomes too trusting with the government which allows for literal retards like the Nazis to take over and run the entire thing off a cliff.

Yeah sure Nazis were the retards... Meanwhile France and the UK declared war on Germany because of the Polish invasion conveniently forgetting that the Soviet Union invaded and took over the eastern side of Poland for themselves (and had plans to eventually take over all of Europe).

 

[Exegesis]

conveniently forgetting that the Soviet Union invaded and took over the eastern side of Poland for themselves

I don't think you realize that there was no way for the allies to even reach the Soviets short of invading the literal graveyard of empires to reach them in Central Asia and or go through Iran.
The Nazis were a much greater threat to deal with and it was better for the allies go for one enemy at a time; why else do you think the cold war began shortly after WWII?

 

[Cronarch]

Yeah sure Nazis were the retards... Meanwhile France and the UK declared war on Germany because of the Polish invasion conveniently forgetting that the Soviet Union invaded and took over the eastern side of Poland for themselves (and had plans to eventually take over all of Europe).

Objectively, the Allies were forced to declare war on Germany. The Germans remilitarised the Rhineland, that was against the treaty of Versailles but understandable. Then they annexed Austria, again tolerable. Then they were given the Sudetenland in the Treaty of Munich with the understanding that it would be the final expansion. Then the Germans violated that agreement, taking territory from Lithuania, fully annexing Bohemia and invading Poland. Not to mention the not-so-subtle military build-up and collaboration with the Soviets.

If Germany hadn't gone so hard so quickly, Western Europe likely would have let them go on to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe with little protest. The UK public (and government to a lesser extent) had a empathetic attitude towards Germany. I don't know how the French felt, but it became clear that they were in no position to do much anyway.

 

[Viriatus]

I don't think you realize that there was no way for the allies to even reach the Soviets short of invading the literal graveyard of empires to reach them in Central Asia and or go through Iran.
The Nazis were a much greater threat to deal with and it was better for the allies go for one enemy at a time; why else do you think the cold war began shortly after WWII?

At the same time that the Allies were crying about German expansion they turned a blind eye to the Soviet Union's invasion of Finland, the conquest of half of Poland, the invasion of Iran, the massive military build up right at Germany's doorstep ( Barbarossa was not an invasion, it was a counter offensive ) .

Germany didn't want to conquer Europe, they were literally the last defenders of the continent, facing the Jewish controlled Allies to the West and the Bolsheviks to the East.

The Soviet Union was the biggest agressor in the entire conflict, and they occupied two thirds of Europe after the war ended. But sure Germany was the bad guy in WWII because the TV said so.

 

[Viriatus]

If Germany hadn't gone so hard so quickly, Western Europe likely would have let them go on to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe with little protest. The UK public (and government to a lesser extent) had a empathetic attitude towards Germany. I don't know how the French felt, but it became clear that they were in no position to do much anyway.

Do people here genuinely believe in all the Allied propaganda, that Uncle Adolf wanted to genocide all the Slavs ? He didn't even kill the ones that lived on his Reich ( Czechian Slavs ), the only ones killed were war casualties on the Eastern Front.

 

[Exegesis]

At the same time that the Allies were crying about German expansion they turned a blind eye to the Soviet Union's invasion of Finland, the conquest of half of Poland, the invasion of Iran, the massive military build up right at Germany's doorstep ( Barbarossa was not an invasion, it was a counter offensive ) .
Germany didn't want to conquer Europe, they were literally the last defenders of the continent, facing the Jewish controlled Allies to the West and the Bolsheviks to the East.
The Soviet Union was the biggest agressor in the entire conflict, and they occupied two thirds of Europe after the war ended. But sure Germany was the bad guy in WWII because the TV said so.

You're an absolute retard if you think the expansionist policy of the Soviets was not preferable to and easier to contain than that of the Nazis. If you seriously think that a nations leadership who spent the better part of a decade shitting on peace agreements and annexing territories before WWII was somehow not expansionist then you are not intelligent enough to be having this conversation with me.
Also, lmao at Finland; those fags literally tried to take massive chunks of land during the Russian Civil War that didn't even belong to them and tried it again during WWII. The later Finnish governments have spent forever trying to compensate for their decades of military failures and humiliation by bragging about causing the Russians heavy damage in one out of the three wars they engaged in.

 

[Viriatus]

You're an absolute retard if you think the expansionist policy of the Soviets was not preferable to and easier to contain than that of the Nazis. If you seriously think that a nations leadership who spent the better part of a decade shitting on peace agreements and annexing territories before WWII was somehow not expansionist then you are not intelligent enough to be having this conversation with me.
Also, lmao at Finland; those fags literally tried to take massive chunks of land during the Russian Civil War that didn't even belong to them and tried it again during WWII. The later Finnish governments have spent forever trying to compensate for their decades of military failures and humiliation by bragging about causing the Russians heavy damage in one out of the three wars they engaged in.

The ones shitting on peace agreements were the Allies. Remember how many peace offerings did Germany give to Britain ? Churchill ( Jewish puppet ) rejected every single one of them.

Even Patton knew the Allies fought the wrong enemy.

 

[Exegesis]

The ones shitting on peace agreements were the Allies. Remember how many peace offerings did Germany give to Britain ? Churchill ( Jewish puppet ) rejected every single one of them.

Peace agreements and peace offerings are totally different things retard.
Following this logic, Russia is in the wrong for not accepting the hohols peace offerings of:

• Give us back all of Donbas, Zapo, Crimea, and add in Rostov and Kursk or reparations
• also give us 6 gorillion dollars for the transphobia you put the residents through

I don't think you realize how retarded it would be for the British to surrender to the Nazis when they were already transitioning into a war economy and had a global empires resources to work with.

Even Patton knew the Allies fought the wrong enemy.

I really don't give a shit about what Patton thought of the war in regards to who was right and wrong.

 

[Viriatus]

Peace agreements and peace offerings are totally different things retard.
Following this logic, Russia is in the wrong for not accepting the hohols peace offerings of:

• Give us back all of Donbas, Zapo, Crimea, and add in Rostov and Kursk or reparations
• also give us 6 gorillion dollars for the transphobia you put the residents through

I don't think you realize how retarded it would be for the British to surrender to the Nazis when they were already transitioning into a war economy and had a global empires resources to work with.

I really don't give a shit about what Patton thought of the war in regards to who was right and wrong.

You're the one that can't distinguish between a peace offer and surrender. Germany never demanded the total surrender of Britain, it was was Britain ( and France and the US ) that demanded Germany's complete surrender, instead of allying with them to defeat the Soviets ( a much bigger threat ).

 

[Susanna]

You should probably be posting in the other thread instead, they're much more open to nazi retardation.

 

[Exegesis]

You're the one that can't distinguish between a peace offer and surrender. Germany never demanded the total surrender of Britain, it was was Britain ( and France and the US ) that demanded Germany's complete surrender, instead of allying with them to defeat the Soviets ( a much bigger threat ).

The allies/western powers whatever name you prefer had no interest in allying with Germany because they were too independent and ideologically fanatical (almost as if that's why they split it up and spent forever on denazification). They only allied with the Soviets because that was the only land based front in Europe that they could supply in a substantial amount for most of the war.
The Soviets were a bigger threat sure but they were almost entirely out of reach up until WWII ended like I said earlier.

 

[Viriatus]

You should probably be posting in the other thread instead, they're much more open to nazi retardation.

It's hilarious how some people here can't see the parallels between the third Reich and the Russian Federation. Putin has a lot more in common with Hitler than with Stalin.

Watch any Pete Quinones or Thomas 777 show to get the full picture of the current conflict. Or better yet go watch Putin's interview with Tucker. Putin knows the truth about WW2, he just can't talk about it out loud loud because of political reasons " muh patriotic war bs " .

 

[Cronarch]

Do people here genuinely believe in all the Allied propaganda, that Uncle Adolf wanted to genocide all the Slavs ? He didn't even kill the ones that lived on his Reich ( Czechian Slavs ), the only ones killed were war casualties on the Eastern Front.

Nigger all you have to do is look at the treatment of Soviet POWs and the civilian populations to see what the German intentions were.

Modern NatSocs complain of the treatment of German POWs at the war's end (left in fields with no provisions or shelter). Germany was doing that to Soviet POWs from the very start. Vlasov's legion of turncoats mostly received volunteers from POW camps because they wanted food.

The Czechs were forced into slave labour under SS governance (as were the French). The Greeks suffered a massive famine under Italian and German occupation. The Croats were allowed to do whatever they wanted in Yugoslavia.

The Western World may have been better off when it comes to demographics if the Germans had won WW2, but the slavs would have been colonised and most of Europe would be enslaved trying to pay off German debts (the reason why Germany stole the gold and artwork of every country they invaded).

 

[Viriatus]

Nigger all you have to do is look at the treatment of Soviet POWs and the civilian populations to see what the German intentions were.

Modern NatSocs complain of the treatment of German POWs at the war's end (left in fields with no provisions or shelter). Germany was doing that to Soviet POWs from the very start. Vlasov's legion of turncoats mostly received volunteers from POW camps because they wanted food.

The Czechs were forced into slave labour under SS governance (as were the French). The Greeks suffered a massive famine under Italian and German occupation. The Croats were allowed to do whatever they wanted in Yugoslavia.

The Western World may have been better off when it comes to demographics if the Germans had won WW2, but the slavs would have been colonised and most of Europe would be enslaved trying to pay off German debts (the reason why Germany stole the gold and artwork of every country they invaded).

If you think Soviet POWs were badly treated then look at how Eastern Germans were treated after the War ( aka the real Holocaust).

Million of Germans and all of Prussia vanished from the map. Those people weren't enemy combatants that could fight back ( like the Soviet POWs ) those were literally unarmed civilians butchered for fun by the Soviets.

 

[Cronarch]

If you think Soviet POWs were badly treated then look at how Eastern Germans were treated after the War ( aka the real Holocaust).

Million of Germans and all of Prussia vanished from the map. Those people weren't enemy combatants that could fight back ( like the Soviet POWs ) those were literally unarmed civilians butchered for fun by the Soviets.

Womp womp nigga. Literally everything the Germans did upon their enemies was done upon them. When Germans were colonising Eastern Europe, do you think they were setting up brand new communities or evicting their previous tenants? Do you think the Wehrmacht brothels were composed of willing whores or desperate women? Do you think when the Germans were retreating and burning every house, barn and crop that the local civilians were asked if they agreed with it?

History is not good vs evil, it's just survival. I think Russia is the less evil participant in this war, but I still acknowledge the fact that hundreds of thousands of white people would likely still be alive if Russia hadn't invaded. I think Zelensky is an evil kike who is furthering the Jewish conspiracy to kill off Christian Europeans, but Putin himself is indebted to Jews within Russia as well.

Learn to look at events with nuance. Ultimately, people will always be slaves and all you can hope for is to pick your master. What is good for you and your people is not the for the good of others. Heaven on Earth is impossible, hence the ~6000 years of constant reform and revolution.

 

[Charred Dinosaur]

Oh boy, I can't wait to see what's going on in the SMO thread. I sure hope today's off topic discussion involves trains or-

 

[Exegesis]

Million of Germans and all of Prussia vanished from the map.

If you seriously think the ethnic cleansing of Königsberg is anywhere near comparable to the literal demographic raping that the Nazis did to Eastern Europe then you are beyond retarded. The Nazis had the full intention of gaining their Lebensraum and the Organisation Todt was already setting it up through the enslavement of the Slavs by making them Ostarbeiters among other roles.

Oh boy, I can't wait to see what's going on in the SMO thread. I sure hope today's off topic discussion involves trains or-

This is what happens when somebody who learned about history through zoomerhistorian and pol decides to weigh in on a discussion with those who aren't intellectually disabled.