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In a meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House on Friday, Donald Trump repeatedly echoed talking points Vladimir Putin had made in their call a day earlier, according to people familiar with the matter © Press Service Of The President Of Ukraine

Christopher Miller in Kyiv, Max Seddon in Berlin, Henry Foy in Brussels and Amy Mackinnon in Washington

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.

The meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy came amid a fresh push by the US president to end Russia’s war following the ceasefire secured between Israel and Hamas.

Zelenskyy and his team went to the White House hoping to persuade Trump to supply them with long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, but the US president ultimately declined to do so.

The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.

During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.

According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.

The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”

At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said.

The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.

Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.

That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.

But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.

Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.

“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.

He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.

Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”

Trump’s belligerent repetition of Putin’s rhetoric on Friday dashed hopes among many of Ukraine’s European allies that he could be convinced to increase support to Kyiv.

That hope had risen after Trump in recent weeks expressed frustration and impatience with the Russian president’s refusal to actively engage in bilateral peace negotiations with Zelenskyy.

Three other European officials briefed on the White House discussions confirmed that Trump had spent much of the meeting lecturing Zelenskyy, repeating Putin’s arguments about the conflict and urging him to accept the Russian proposal.

“Zelenskyy was very negative” following the meeting, according to one of the officials, adding that European leaders were “not optimistic but pragmatic with planning next steps”.

In a statement on Sunday, Zelenskyy said “decisive steps are needed from the United States, Europe, the G20 and G7 countries” to end the war.

Additional reporting by Claire Jones in Washington
 

Trump urged Zelenskyy to accept Putin’s terms or be ‘destroyed’ by Russia​

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.
I hate journos so fucking much. The very first line of what was ACTUALLY said drastically changes what the Headline wants its brain dead readers to think.
 
No, the Ukraine will win back the east that doesn’t want them! They will crash into Crimea and regain Sevastopol! They will never accept any less no matter how many have to be forced into service!
 
Should have said thank you, Jewlensky, now everyone is sick of funneling infinite shekels so you can sacrifice young men to cancel elections and subjugate the east.
 
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I told people in another thread that Hegseth's tie, resembling the Russian flag, was obviously signaling this to Zelensky. A few retards tried to act like they couldn't understand that — hilarious

Diplomacy and international politics does't need to hide coded messages in a fucking tie, this is autistic theater kid logic. Communication and negotiation is constantly done via diplomats and staffers, meetings like this are just the cumulation and public face of all that

Even Zelensky knows they're ultimately right, the last two years have just been a bloody stalemate and the West can't really commit more than we already have without putting boots on the ground. He's just keeping this going as long as he can for the sake of his reputation, political career, and national pride at this point.

I don't even really blame him or Ukraine for wanting to keep fighting because Russia is nobody's friend but their own, and sooner or later they'll probably be back for what they believe is theirs, but the people funding this are under no obligation to do so if there's not going to be a positive outcome at any point
 
Diplomacy and international politics does't need to hide coded messages in a fucking tie, this is autistic theater kid logic. Communication and negotiation is constantly done via diplomats and staffers, meetings like this are just the cumulation and public face of all that

Even Zelenski knows they're ultimately right, the last two years have just been a bloody stalemate and the West can't really commit more than we already have without putting boots on the ground. He's just keeping it going as long as he can for the sake of his reputation, political career, and national pride at this point
Don't care, bitch. I called it right. Cope.
 
Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.
If the other side starts making unilateral concessions, no matter how small, that's a sign their position is weakening and is expected to deteriorate further, so they want to settle quickly. You hold your position and press further to get even more favorable terms because you have leverage.

I don't buy a word of this report given it's all "unnamed officials" and not a word on it from Trump.

If he was pissed he would have said something, not shitpost about No Kings protests.
 
Too late, any victory is pyrrhic now. If it's this difficult for you to crush a small shithole country like Ukraine, then the rest of Europe has nothing to fear from your military.
I think Russia would have been a lot further along by now if it weren't for western assistance. Anyone can see the war didn't go to plan for Russia, they tried a blitzkrieg and got fucked up, Ukrainians get props for that because it was more or less on their own. But to say Russia's military are weak against Europe is pushing it a bit. The western weapons, logistics and "training" (many say that includes men on the ground in intelligence and assistance roles, true or not I don't know) are what have made Ukraine a difficult war. Also for all the destruction reported, I think Russia are trying to take as much land as possible without flattening it. Otherwise, why not just turn Kiev to dust with some ballistic missiles and end it now? I think it's why Putin has had to set his terms at just the Donbas and other territories held rather than the whole east of Ukraine. Trying to take more would be expensive, and the further west the Russians go, the fewer sympathetic civilians they will meet. Then it's decades of insurgency.

In a simplified world where attacking Europe wouldn't get the US and China involved so it's just Europe Vs Russia, I'm not sure how that would go well for Europe. Military output is in the gutter, there is no energy to make anything. My country for example (UK), we have a single steelworks left that can produce virgin steel because our energy prices make industrial output too expensive. We don't have enough power to run the country, we rely on interconnects with Europe. We have no gas storage for our remaining gas power plants. In a hot war, Russia only need a single successful ballistic missile strike to end our steel production for the foreseeable future. Germany are similarly fucked, and don't start with France. The only saving grace in a land war would be Poland and the baltics. Navies would be different of course, but Russia have a decent fleet of their own.

Of course, this only applies if the nukes don't come out. All bets are off then. It's what always gets me when you see China and co boosting their military capabilities to a size that could take on the US. Even if that war started and trundles along for a while conventionally, as soon as one side starts losing badly enough, the threat of mutually assured destruction doesn't seem as bad.

War bad.
 
I understand that pro-Ukrainian people want a fairy tale ending here, but what do they think is going to happen? The Rebels will blow up the Death Star and then defeat the Empire at Yavin? Russia's invasion failed and now it's fighting a war of attrition that the Ukrainians probably won't win. If Ukraine loses, Russia gets the territory and now they're in the Mediterranean. That is very bad for NATO. Trump probably wants to preserve as much real estate in Ukraine as possible to contain the Russians.
But to say Russia's military are weak against Europe is pushing it a bit.
Europe has no military. If the Russians roll in the tanks, Europe will bend over with the exception of Poland and the Baltic states. Or they might welcome the Russians because they think it'll upset Trump and lower their energy costs. There's no underestimating the EU bureaucrats at this point. They are unbelievably stupid.
 
Don't care, bitch. I called it right. Cope.
Yeah man go ahead and pat yourself on the back for "calling" the status quo lol

Claiming that Hegseth was wearing the colors of our flag on a tie as a secret pro-Russian dogwhistle, all to let us know in advance that Trump was going to continue to take the exact same stance he's held for the last year, is Twitter shitlib schizoposting
 
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Too late, any victory is pyrrhic now. If it's this difficult for you to crush a small shithole country like Ukraine, then the rest of Europe has nothing to fear from your military.
I think that is somewhat optimistic. People confuse Russian tactics with American. It isn't shock and awe with overwhelming forces, its grueling attraction.

Even in its cluter fucked state I would bet on the EU but I think it's a bit foolish to think Russia is weak
 
people familiar with the matter said.
I am so tired of this shit.

Also Trump is right and Zelenksy needs to accept that he has lost. I really think he believes that at some point the US or EU is going to start throwing their boys at Russia but he needs to come to grips with the fact that will not be happening.

Ukraine was never going to win this war. I said it when it started and I am saying it now. They cannot win. They would have been rolled over if their entire defense was not funded and supplied by other countries.
 
warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.
That really doesn't sound like the sort of thing Putin would say.

...and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history,
Now this sounds like Putin.

It wouldn't be shocking if terms eventually accepted to end the war looked identical to terms offered years earlier. Except with tens of thousands more casualties.
Not shocking, no. Though I feel after this long a fight and this much blood, Russia is likely going to go for "stretch goals". Ukraine as a country is crippled, its soldiers are still fighting - valiantly in some areas, but moral is in the gutter, conscription has long since got all the easy targets other than the kids of the wealthy. There are rolling brown-outs across the country (and frankly Russia could turn the lights off more if they wanted). Additionally a lot of the wonder weapons they placed so much faith in have now been tried and found they didn't change things at all. Air defence batteries are running dry, you never hear about HIMARS anymore, the Leopard tanks that Germany was cajoled into sending were blown up over and over. We even gave them F-16s which were mostly kept at the back to avoid the PR disaster or seeing them shot down. And when they were sent near the front, they were... shot down. Admittedly one of them was shot down by the Ukrainians themselves....

And they've even had to commit their barrier troops (the ones that say behind the conscripts to shoot them if they retreat) to real combat.

With Ukraine so battered and Russia having expended so much, it's a miracle to me that Putin seems to genuinely still be content to just get his commitments and the four oblasts. I'd say the Ukrainian casualties at this point are over the tens of thousands and into the hundreds of thousands. They have to be.

So what are the stretch goals? Don't know - the rest of Kherson I should think. The issue for Russia is that this was never a territorial war. Russia has all the land and natural resources it could possibly want. It's about securing its borders and the West has already reneged on peace agreements twice. (Minsk 2 and just the old agreements not to move NATO any further East which is violated many times over). So Russia really needs to establish borders that are defensible long-term. The natural barrier would be the Dnipro but that's still a long way away. But Ukraine doesn't have solid lines of defence after these ones fall so it's possible. But it would mean this prolongs into 2026 or 2027. Russia could do it though.

Too late, any victory is pyrrhic now. If it's this difficult for you to crush a small shithole country like Ukraine, then the rest of Europe has nothing to fear from your military.
See - this is one of the big signs that someone doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about. Ukraine is a big country, it was heavily trained and armed by the West, it had the largest army in Europe by manpower as well and has done multiple rounds of conscription since to add to that. And a lot of the regular troops have fought like lions. People who make out like it should be some kind of easy win just to run down Russia make themselves look stupid more than they do Russia.

Of course, this only applies if the nukes don't come out. All bets are off then. It's what always gets me when you see China and co boosting their military capabilities to a size that could take on the US. Even if that war started and trundles along for a while conventionally, as soon as one side starts losing badly enough, the threat of mutually assured destruction doesn't seem as bad.
I'm relatively confident that it would go nuclear if there were direct and open conflict between Russia and Europe. Not immediately but Europe is in no way equipped to take on Russia conventionally which means the war would move into European countries once Ukraine was subjugated. And at this point Russia would have switched from slow and steady, try to keep peace an option approach, to full scale war. That means they'd start missile strikes on key Western facilities. And again, Russia outmatches the West conventionally. The Oreshnik missile that they demonstrated is not something we can defend against. And we don't know how many they have. It was just one. Now all we know is they have n > 1 Oreshiks. Arms manufacturers, energy infrastructure, ports and naval bases. All we can do to match Russia is go nuclear. At which point they respond in kind.

It's like someone with a gun facing an opponent that is larger and stronger than them. They either agree to peace or pull out the gun. They can't win in the punch up.

If Europe wants to win a conventional war against Russia, they only have one route to it - wait until Trump is out and neocons are firmly in control of the White House again. Even then, it would still devastate Europe.

That's the difference for Europe vs. America if this goes hot. The USA may fight in World War III, but the venue will still be Europe.

Russia's invasion failed and now it's fighting a war of attrition that the Ukrainians probably won't win.
That's wrong. Aside from there being no "probably" about it, Russia's invasion never failed. It was an intelligence failure more than it was a military one. At no point was Russia seriously going to try and occupy and hold Kiev with so few troops. It was a shock strike to try and bring Kiev to an agreement. The equivalent of a slap to the face to put your opponent in his place. But somebody - most likely Western Intelligence, got wind of it and was ready. The people in Ukraine that were paid off and ready to move against Zelensky politically did not, they were ready for the follow-up column. Even so, Kiev was almost ready to agree some deal in Turkey until Boris Johnson flew in to make grand promises and woo Zelensky back to conflict.

Casting Russia's opening gambit as a failed invasion is very misleading because it suggests it was in any way a full military invasion. People saying this is one of the first signs that they don't really understand this conflict.

It's not about territory, it's about security. The most valid benchmarks for who is "winning" are casualty numbers (we don't know, but Ukraine has to be far higher than Russia) and economics (Ukraine is a failed state here. We are literally paying their government's salaries).

Europe has no military. If the Russians roll in the tanks, Europe will bend over with the exception of Poland and the Baltic states. Or they might welcome the Russians because they think it'll upset Trump and lower their energy costs. There's no underestimating the EU bureaucrats at this point. They are unbelievably stupid.
They're stupid. But it's also worth keeping in mind that they simply don't represent the interests of their citizens. They're one wing of Globohomo and they're still thinking they can wait out the upset Trump has caused them and get back to business as usual once the proper people are back in the Whitehouse. They're all in on this. They are evidently willing to see every last Ukrainian die in this conflict and then just import new people to Ukraine to replace them once there is nobody left there to say no. They wont bend over for Russia. They'd just do the same to their own countries as they've done to Ukraine. And then flee to other countries as a "government in exile" in the hypothetical it got that far.

Also Trump is right and Zelenksy needs to accept that he has lost. I really think he believes that at some point the

US or EU is going to start throwing their boys at Russia but he needs to come to grips with the fact that will not be happening.
The trouble is that Zelensky is riding the tiger. He doesn't want to be up there but if he gets off, it'll eat him. His body guards are rumoured to be French. Ultranationalists in his own government would kill him if the West didn't. He's only in power because he cancelled elections.

EDIT: Removed fake AI interview. Fuck these people.

When this is over, if Zelensky hasn't gotten something good out of this for Ukraine (which he wont), he is beyond fucked. Someone will kill him.
 
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