2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

I think the ceasefire will hold for a while longer. Hamas can blame a rogue unit, and the IDF can hold off after their tit-for-tat strike.

One of the news blurbs I read yesterday has Israeli intelligence expecting more bodies this week, and the IDF probably want to recover as many as possible before any war resumption.
 
In exchange, Israel will only have to release hundreds of high ranking Hamas terrorists and murderers serving life sentences. Great success!

I'm still wondering if we will get details on this. Was it a full release including hardcore terrorist caught in the act committing crimes, or just people they suspected or had circumstantial evidence on?


Hamas is now engaging in mass executions.
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There has also been clashes between Palestinians.
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The moment they lose a greater outside enemy, they start killing each other.... again.


I think Trump has brokered more peace in his two terms than any other human being in history. His Nobel Peace Prize snub was clearly political.

The prize has pretty much lost whatever credibility it still had remaining. Which wasn't much. One person with the right skin tone gets it for having that skin tone and being elected and another, who actually furthered peace, likely won't because of the wrong politics.

And of course his "genocidal" efforts against troons, such as officially "misgendering" them, which i'm told now surpass all crimes against humanity in WW2 including the holocaust, surely can't help either.

It also looks like 2026 is the year they are making the push.


Fat lot of good that did. The recipient received it and said that she got the award in honor of him. Also, EFF is crying that Microsoft was helping Israel.

They have already well passed the point of betraying their mission.. now hey are jumping the shark as well. They transformation of that org into a useless shell is nearly complete.

I see MS finally cucked at least partially. The west is likely doomed in future wars and just be lucky if their industries don't actively work for our enemies.

It says something that Palestinians gives zero fuck about their civilians while Israel will go through hell to get them back, dead or alive.

Yup.. but don't worry because they have hoards of brain dead retarded western people and "academics" who sure do. As well as great acting skills. And that's what counts.


Demographics was a tool Israeli leftists liked to use in the past but it turned out to be incorrect as Arab Israelis, like most western populations, massively dropped their birthrate as their quality of life went up. Nowadays demographics scare are mainly above ultra orthodox Jews.

The first (and second) world reproduction paradox. We really need to solve this before it's a matter of civilization survival or collapse. If not species.


It needs to be done by saner politicians. It's not like there aren't first world countries with a death penalty.

Seriously, the fact that they don't off these murderous scum, terrorists, is insane. These are he kinds of issues that come into play with trying to take their court system back from elites and modern so-called "intellectuals and academics". An effort that so many who should know better, still go all bent out of shape over.


I think Israel should take their fishing rights away again. For good measure, carpet bomb this place repeatedly.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-870791

So there's this whale shark that often roams the oceans around Israel and attracts hoards of those PESKY GOD DAMNED KIKES in awe of the gigantic fish.
What do these people do?
JOOOOZE enjoy this fish, so we must get it out of the waters and snuff it.
I swear to God destroying innocent animals is literally their genetics.
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By the way, this is literally an international crime. https://cites.org/eng/gallery/species/fish/whale_shark.html

I wouldn't shed a single tear if a Jewish missile hit them while they were dragging the fish out of the water.


They have literal propaganda songs with children in it singing and autotuned. The kid was seen holding a rifle and hand grenade. I can't find it anymore but nasheed enjoyers have definitely seen it.

Does anyone else remember the 90s and 00s, after the pals walked out of peace talks? In the era of the suicide bomber. When they had music videos playing on open tv and parades featuring children just old enough to walk dressed not just as armed terrorists but with fake bomb vests on as well! these people and their entire culture is utter scum!
 
I think Trump has done broadly well in the middle east but his victory laps last week were extremely premature, and the collapse of the ceasefire leaves him looking like a chump.

Somebody should have warned him not to count his chickens, especially when they're brown.

How will he react? Pretend nothing happened and move on to Ukraine? Or take the resumption of conflict personally?
 
If things don't improve, the cease fire will fall apart.
his victory laps last week were extremely premature, and the collapse of the ceasefire leaves him looking like a chump.
I disagree, I think its part of the process 100%. Get everyone in agreement and celebrate the terms before Hamas can weasel out a way to delay the fight while making themselves look like the victim. They don't get any more time to drag it out.

The way its structured, it forces Hamas to surrender and puts Arab countries in charge of disarming them. If they fail, its back to bombing and this is all backed by the wrath of Trump. The civilized countries, Qatar, Egypt and Turkey will either have to stand before Trump to defend Hamas, which would fuck them over, or accept that Hamas has violated the cease fire and either speed up the process or let Israel and possibly the US conduct airstrikes and have the IDF seize Gaza, either way, its the end of Hamas, but this time their destruction is backed up by the US.
 
I disagree, I think its part of the process 100%.
Trump is an 80IQ narcissist with dementia. He was celebrating because he lost contact with reality a while ago and media just ran with it because it's cool headlines. For MAGA claiming you did something is just as good as, perhaps even better than, actually doing it.

The American government is operating on the President's monomaniacal obsession with getting a Nobel peace price nobody outside of his cult of personality thinks he deserves (objectively, he did little to nothing to cause peace and a lot to stir conflict).
There's no thinking beyond today, no coherent strategy. These retards attacked Iran because Israel created a fait accompli and even then they sat on their hands and were afraid to make a decision for quite a while. After they finally did, they pussied out before verifying that the goals were achieved and bungled the ceasefire because the President lacks the cognitive abilities to communicate even simple timings.
 
They lost most of their leadership and thousands of fighters, these particular hostages were more loss than profit.
They ended using them to purchase three ceasefires, material support, and the release of many prisoners. When I say they're worthless I meant they don't do anything for Hamas sitting in some tunnel. Their value is being handed over in return for things.
Hamas couldn't be compelled to release them for free, and I don't see buying their freedom as some great accomplishment.

The hostages didn't do much, or anything, as human shields or whatever, but I doubt they made a the Israeli response to October 7th worse than it otherwise would have been either.
 
Damn if only you could read.
So which is it?
You have encountered someone that works purely on" TRUMP LE BAD" so he is fine spewing outright contradictions
victory laps last week were extremely premature
I do somewhat agree with this. Buuuut
I disagree, I think its part of the process 100%. Get everyone in agreement and celebrate the terms before Hamas can weasel out a way to delay the fight while making themselves look like the victim. They don't get any more time to drag it out.

The way its structured, it forces Hamas to surrender and puts Arab countries in charge of disarming them. If they fail, its back to bombing and this is all backed by the wrath of Trump. The civilized countries, Qatar, Egypt and Turkey will either have to stand before Trump to defend Hamas, which would fuck them over, or accept that Hamas has violated the cease fire and either speed up the process or let Israel and possibly the US conduct airstrikes and have the IDF seize Gaza, either way, its the end of Hamas, but this time their destruction is backed up by the US.
This is also correct.Although the elaborate celebrations and the dick sucking could have been skipped, that does put pressure on the Arab countries to clean this shit up, violently or otherwise.

Has there been any news of a force from Egypt and/or other Arab nations? cause the way its looking , Hamas is outta control and the ceasefire might just collapse.
 
I can't believe Israel murdered those poor journalists.

Trump is an 80IQ narcissist with dementia. He was celebrating because he lost contact with reality a while ago and media just ran with it because it's cool headlines. For MAGA claiming you did something is just as good as, perhaps even better than, actually doing it.

The American government is operating on the President's monomaniacal obsession with getting a Nobel peace price nobody outside of his cult of personality thinks he deserves (objectively, he did little to nothing to cause peace and a lot to stir conflict).
There's no thinking beyond today, no coherent strategy. These retards attacked Iran because Israel created a fait accompli and even then they sat on their hands and were afraid to make a decision for quite a while. After they finally did, they pussied out before verifying that the goals were achieved and bungled the ceasefire because the President lacks the cognitive abilities to communicate even simple timings.
I dislike Trump, but this is just not true. Trump contributed to the freeing of the hostages. A Harris administration never would have accomplished this.

Look at it this way: Without Stalin's program of forced industrialization in the '30s, the Soviets never would have been prepared to defeat the Nazis in the '40s. This is just a fact. You don't have to like Stalin or support Stalin or think Stalin was a good man to agree with this fact. Agreeing with this fact doesn't make you a Stalinist.
 
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Alleged Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine member, October 7 attack participant arrested in Louisiana

By Joe Truzman | October 21, 2025 | @JoeTruzman
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Mahmoud al Muhtadi (circled) with another DFLP member in a photo included in the US Department of Justice’s criminal complaint.

The United States Department of Justice (DOJ) announced on Friday that it had arrested 33-year-old Mahmoud Amin Yaqub al Muhtadi in Louisiana. The DOJ alleged that Muhtadi was a member of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine’s (DFLP) so-called armed wing and had participated in the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack in southern Israel.

The DOJ stated that Muhtadi was a member of the DFLP’s “Martyr Omar al Qassem Brigades,” a small but well-established terrorist organization aligned with Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups. The criminal complaint filed in the Western District of Louisiana included evidence from Mahmoud’s social media accounts demonstrating that he participated in DFLP activities.

The complaint states that on October 7, when Muhtadi learned that Hamas and its allies had launched an attack on southern Israel, he armed himself, recruited other Palestinians to join him, and infiltrated Israeli territory from one of the many breaches at the Gaza-Israel border. The complaint asserts that evidence collected against Muhtadi showed that his mobile phone had connected to an Israeli cell tower near Kibbutz Kfar Aza, where Hamas and its allies killed civilians, including four Americans.

The DOJ further alleges that following the October 7 attack, Muhtadi fraudulently obtained a visa in Egypt and was approved to enter the United States. According to records from US Customs and Border Protection, he entered American territory on September 4, 2024.

On October 20, the Muhtadi family issued a statement condemning what they described as a smear campaign against Mahmoud, who they stated had no political or party involvement before leaving Gaza. The Muhtadi family’s statement emphasized that he departed legally during the war with full coordination from the US Embassy in Cairo, obtained an official US visa, later joined relatives who are American citizens, and began a lawful professional life in the United States. The family called on US human rights groups, media, and the public to oppose discrimination and support Mahmoud’s right to remain with his family and maintain his legal residency.

A review of Mahmoud Muhtadi’s online footprint by FDD’s Long War Journal found additional information on his past vocation in Gaza and some potential links to the DFLP. Muhtadi’s formerly public Facebook profile (now set to private) showed two DFLP-related posts in which another Facebook user tagged (notified) Muhtadi’s account. One of the tagged posts mourns the death of an operative who belonged to the DFLP.

In February 2023, Muhtadi appeared on a radio program called The Youth Radio, where he joined a panel to discuss a range of issues affecting young Palestinians. The host of the program introduced Muhtadi (in a grey jacket) and another guest as the owners of Saltaa Burger, a food stand in Gaza themed after the popular animated TV series SpongeBob SquarePants. Footage published by local Palestinian media on February 15, 2023, showed Muhtadi preparing food during an interview.

The DOJ has released significant evidence against Muhtadi, but some questions about his ties to the DFLP and travel remain unanswered. For example, it is unclear how he traveled to Egypt when significant restrictions were imposed on individuals exiting the Gaza Strip through the Rafah Crossing following the start of the war between Hamas and Israel. People attempting to leave Gaza had to pay a fee that reportedly cost approximately $5,000 per adult and $2,500 per child. Furthermore, it is unknown whether Muhtadi continued to engage in activities in the United States on behalf of the DFLP.

The DFLP was listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the US in 1997 for a brief period but was delisted two years later. However, the group is designated by the US Office of Foreign Assets Control as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity.

Muhtadi is currently the only individual who has been arrested in the US on charges of terrorism in connection with the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel.
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Joe Truzman is an editor and senior research analyst at FDD's Long War Journal focused primarily on Palestinian armed groups and non-state actors in the Middle East.
 
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