💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

The therapy the need is learning to love themselves as they are, not what they aren't.
Granted, many trans sufferers are self hating, self destructive, self harming, etc. But “loving yourself” still directs focus towards the individual self, towards lofty, supposedly all important egotistical subjectivity and self consciousness. Too much twisted self awareness/self consciousness and too much ego (and arguably too much self esteem) is what made them decide that they were trans identified in the first place. It was The Answer to why they didn’t feel right or look the way they felt they should in the mirror. Or a way for them to be seen and treated as they imagined they should be.

And oddly enough, especially for pooners, getting The Answer of “Yes you’re trans!” freed them up to enjoy and engage in alotta perfectly natural gendered behaviors without getting all self conscious about them. LOL. We see that all the time.

What alotta these people need is an escape from their egotistical self consciousness. They need to reconnect with their sexed bodies by doing physical things, connect with others in real life doing real, interdependent human things that require outward focus, and concentrate on anything but themselves. They need to willfully distract themselves from their obsession with themselves. They can learn to love themselves later, after the obsession with themselves is broken.
 
Simplest argument against allowing MTFs to use women's restrooms:
In India, where public pissing and shitting is common, a lot of women have been raped as a result. So if MTFs pose no rape threat to women in women's restrooms, then why does this happen in India? Is it because their ~*magical womanly brains*~ make it so they'd never rape a woman? Why are they so focused on gaining access to women's restrooms, locker rooms, and shelters?
 
Simplest argument against allowing MTFs to use women's restrooms:
In India, where public pissing and shitting is common, a lot of women have been raped as a result. So if MTFs pose no rape threat to women in women's restrooms, then why does this happen in India? Is it because their ~*magical womanly brains*~ make it so they'd never rape a woman? Why are they so focused on gaining access to women's restrooms, locker rooms, and shelters?
I got a simpler one. How many natural women get "euphoria boners" thinking about using a ladies room? None? There's your answer.
 
How many natural women get "euphoria boners"
Unrelated musing: I remember getting into an argument with a transperson in an IRC and they kept justifying a similar line of thought but with AGP by saying that women can be aroused from looking at themselves in a mirror, and that them being aroused (physically) meant they were the same. Are there any studies either biased or unbiased that capture this sort of thinking?
 
Unrelated musing: I remember getting into an argument with a transperson in an IRC and they kept justifying a similar line of thought but with AGP by saying that women can be aroused from looking at themselves in a mirror, and that them being aroused (physically) meant they were the same. Are there any studies either biased or unbiased that capture this sort of thinking?
Yep. One took Blanchard's AGP scale but modified it for biological females. It concluded that women are also AGP. My opinion is that the questions in said scale were modified to the point where they lost their meaning. Also only 29 women responded, which is a piss-poor sample size. A larger study capturing transsexuals, males and natural females (around 3000 people overall) was conducted using Blanchard's unmodified scale regardless of sex, and the transsexuals scored through the friggin' roof when compared to regular men and women. But I can't get my hands on the full text for further analysis. There's probably more to find but I'm almost done shitting and my legs are falling asleep
 
How many natural women get "euphoria boners" thinking about using a ladies room?
Never mind "euphoria boners". How about how obsessed they are with being in women's restrooms?

I get it, we all have to pee, but this is one of the hills they die on?

I've gotten the argument from "feminists" that because trans women are more "marginalized", that Muslim women aren't allowed to object. Can you imagine telling women from patriarchal societies that can't even show their hair in public that men in dresses have more say in women's spaces than actual women do?

Musilim women are exactly the women that feminists should fight for and they can't be bothered because Islam gives them the ick, but dudes letting their balls swing in women's spaces is AOK?

God, we are in the dankest timeline.
 
Never mind "euphoria boners". How about how obsessed they are with being in women's restrooms?

I get it, we all have to pee, but this is one of the hills they die on?

I've gotten the argument from "feminists" that because trans women are more "marginalized", that Muslim women aren't allowed to object. Can you imagine telling women from patriarchal societies that can't even show their hair in public that men in dresses have more say in women's spaces than actual women do?

Musilim women are exactly the women that feminists should fight for and they can't be bothered because Islam gives them the ick, but dudes letting their balls swing in women's spaces is AOK?

God, we are in the dankest timeline.
What's really annoying about feminists like that is that they are supposedly against the "patriarchy" without one ounce of self-awareness that they are the foremost supporters of it for this topic.
 
Unrelated musing: I remember getting into an argument with a transperson in an IRC and they kept justifying a similar line of thought but with AGP by saying that women can be aroused from looking at themselves in a mirror, and that them being aroused (physically) meant they were the same. Are there any studies either biased or unbiased that capture this sort of thinking?
Trans people use this argument over and over again to attempt to normalize their freakish behavior. "We're just like women!!" They couldn't be more different. It is impossible for women to be AGP because two things have to be true for someone to have AGP: 1) They must be biologically male and 2) they must be sexually aroused fantasizing themselves as the opposite gender. Bio women fail to meet criteria 1 and therefore criteria 2. Autosexuality (self arousal) is possible for natal women but they are not AGP by virtue of being female.

Yep. One took Blanchard's AGP scale but modified it for biological females. It concluded that women are also AGP. My opinion is that the questions in said scale were modified to the point where they lost their meaning.
Agreed. I see this study referenced a lot by trans people. The survey questions involve statements like: "I have been erotically aroused by preparing (shaving my legs, applying make-up, etc.)for a romantic evening or when hoping to meet a sex partner." (To which most female respondants answer: Never/On Occaision). An AGP may answer "Yes" to this question but the mechanics of arousal are fundamentally different. The women in this study are obviously turned on by the idea of sex w/ a partner later, not by the mere fantasy of being a woman doing these things.

These idiots say "It appears that some natal women, as well as MTFs, endorse similar items on questionnaires designed to detect autogynephilia. One can conclude that natal women who report sexual arousal to the thought or image of them-selves as women are autogynephilic." which is stunningly flawed reasoning. "It appears as though SOME women score similarly to autogynephiles on this very carefully curated test meant for assessing AGP in natal males. THEREFORE women are autogynephillic." This is like applying an "are you an elephant" test to a dog and saying "they both have four legs", "they're both mammals" THEY CHECK OFF SOME OF THE SAME BOXES!! A DOG COULD BE AN ELEPHANT?

But I can't get my hands on the full text for further analysis.
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I haven't given it a full read but this graph seems relevant. Adding full text.
 

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I overheard a couple of late-teenage girls talking about their Pooner friend today.
One asked what kind (of tit chop) she got.
The other one answered "She got Tumblr Titties!"
I guess this is the new name for the ones that don't get their nipples put back on.
nephew had to explain that it's because tumblr bans womens nipples
 
"I just wanna be a woman UwU"
>2-3 years
"I just put the troon flag in my bio to let people know UwU"
>2-3 years
"I'm not on HRT or anything, but I'll put it in my bio because I plan to maybe transition!"

Imagine if there was an emoji for HIV and people using it to play-pretend they're part of the victim group. It's the exact same shit on display. Troons went from "just wanting to be women who love men" to the majority being female-preferring. I saw a subreddit called 'straighttranswomen' or something and it had not a lick of the members any other troon cult subreddit does.
if you want the uncensored version of that just stare into the abyss known as the /lgbt/ board on 4chan. ... after you sort through the massive chaser/woe is me threads.
 
if you want the uncensored version of that just stare into the abyss known as the /lgbt/ board on 4chan. ... after you sort through the massive chaser/woe is me threads.
One of the most horrifying boards on the entire website. No wonder it earned the /tttt/ reputation :story: The few times I looked there, I got out soon as possible.
 
Another one bites the dust.
Johanna Olson-Kennedy, MD.PNG
I just saw this in the SRS thread and run to UpToDate to check if something has changed there about the preferred approaches of mental health interventions for "transgender and gender-diverse children and adolescent", and if Johanna Olson-Kennedy is still one of the authors that wrote these article and recommendations.

This is the original post I made about it on Jun 4, 2024.

And this is an update I made on Feb 26, 2025, which showed that absolutely nothing had change.

I'm putting it here too for convenience (it was the exact same text both times):
TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS
Mental health interventions
Mental health approaches — There are several mental health approaches to support transgender or gender-diverse (TGD) children and adolescents explore their gender identity and find a gender role that is comfortable [10,21]. Treatment options may be influenced by family expectations, cultural differences, opinions of health professionals, insurance coverage, and availability of services.
The specific approach for a given child or adolescent is individualized. The process may or may not involve recommendations for a change in gender expression or body modification; what helps to alleviate gender dysphoria in one person may differ from what helps to alleviate it in another.

Preferred approach – Affirming approaches are preferred; they are recommended by many professional organizations. (See 'Society guideline links' below.)

Affirming – Affirming approaches focus on gender identity/body congruence and actively promote exploration of gender development and self-definition within a safe setting [5,11,22,23].
A fundamental concept of this approach is that gender diversity is not a mental illness. It is inappropriate to pathologize the child or adolescent's behaviors or to assign a diagnosis. With the help of affirming psychotherapy, some individuals can integrate their gender-diverse feelings into their birth-designated gender; others may be able to alleviate their gender dysphoria through changes in gender role and expression [10,24]. (See 'Social transition' below.)
The authors of this topic review support affirming approaches for TGD youth – from medical and mental health professionals, as well as parents/caregivers. The growing medical evidence supports careful listening, thoughtful discussions, and patient-centered approaches to gender exploration.

Approaches that are not recommended – Approaches that are not recommended and potentially harmful include wait-and-see approaches, redirection, and reparative therapy [5].

Wait-and-see – The wait-and-see approach (also called watchful waiting) involves waiting to see if the child's gender identity will change as the child gets older [11]. Caregivers who take this approach may allow different-gender play and clothing within the home or support both masculine and feminine activities as the child explores their interests in other social settings.
The wait-and-see approach assumes that gender is binary and becomes fixed at a certain age; it pathologizes gender diversity and fluidity [5]. It is distinguished from following the child's lead, an affirming approach that allows the child to present in the gender role that feels correct and moves at a pace determined by the child. (See 'General suggestions' below.)

Redirection – Some mental health therapists encourage caregivers to use positive reinforcement to try to "redirect" children toward behavior that is more typical of their birth-designated sex or less gender specific. The goal of redirection is to eliminate gender-diverse desires and expressions over time [25]. This approach is not recommended because negative reinforcement (eg, shaming the child for gender-diverse expression) has substantial negative mental and social health consequences.

Reparative therapy – Reparative therapy (also called conversion therapy) claims to be able to "cure" a transgender identity. It is still practiced in certain religious and conservative communities. This approach was initially used in the 1970s [26,27]. Reparative therapy is considered unhelpful and potentially harmful by most professional organizations, including the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration [5,10,28-34]. In the United States, several states, counties, and cities ban reparative therapy. The Movement Advancement Project provides a map of localities that ban reparative therapy.

So, have something changed?

Well... yes, somewhat. But also largely not at all.

Johanna Olson-Kennedy is still one of the authors of the recommendation. I don't understand how someone who didn't publish her study just because she didn't like the results (the study was paid by the public by the way, as it was part of a multimillion-dollar federal project on transgender youth), is still the author of this article and recommendation in such an important and prestige resource as UpToDate, a resource which many doctors consult with regularly. I also don't know how she still holds any position in this field. She should be sacked and have her license revoked at the very least. In my opinion she should be in jail. She could have saved thousands of minors from going through this horrifying medical path if she actually published that study.

Anyway, moving on - the text and the way it was written and formatted has changed completely; however I'm not sure how much the content itself actually changed.

This is the relevant part:
GENERAL MEASURES FOR ALL PATIENTS

Affirmation of gender identity and expression — Family/caregiver acceptance and other affirming environments that create space for youth to express and grow are essential for healthy development [6-8,12,17,20-22]. (See 'Society guideline links' below.)

We advocate approaches that put emphasis on understanding gender identity and gender expression from the child's perspective, which provides support for the child to evolve into their authentic self, regardless of their age. These approaches also underscore that gender diversity is not a mental illness.

Older approaches that delay therapy (labeled by some as the wait-and-see approach or watch-and-wait), attempt redirection, or attempt to manipulate gender identity (labeled by some as reparative therapy) are potentially harmful and may cause a decreased sense of self-worth, depression, self-harm, and suicidality [21-23]. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) discourages pediatric providers from taking a watch-and-wait approach because it is outdated and harmful, and it denies children the resources they need to explore gender identity [24]. Attempts to manipulate gender identity are considered unhelpful and potentially harmful by most professional organizations, including the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the AAP, and the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine [16,22,25-31].

Social transition — "Social transition" is an affirming, reversible intervention in which a child lives partially or completely in their asserted gender role by adapting their hairstyle, clothing, and pronouns as well as possibly using a chosen name. A social transition may be undertaken at any age or pubertal stage. However, not all prepubertal children will desire a social transition, and some children, adolescents, and young adults may prefer to wait until they have initiated gender-affirming hormones (GAH).

Social transition may include wearing makeup and using clothing modifications to hide the effects of puberty (eg, wearing a binder to hide breast development, tucking the penis and testicles so they are not visible). Transmasculine youth may wear prostheses or packers to simulate body parts or use devices that permit urination while standing.

Patients and families/caregivers may decide to have a "trial run" to allow the child to see how a social transition feels and to observe how the child responds. Patients and families/caregivers determine the extent of the changes they will make (eg, clothing, pronouns, name), whether and to whom they disclose their gender identity, and how to handle common potential challenges (eg, bathrooms, locker rooms, sleepovers).

Decisions about social transition are individualized after considering the potential benefits (eg, alleviation of psychological distress) and risks [12]. The safety of the child or adolescent and the likelihood of acceptance in the community are important considerations. While some communities are supportive, in others, a fully disclosed social transition may be hazardous to the young person's wellbeing.

Social transition and affirmation benefit many children, including prepubertal children who have persistent and strongly diverse gender identities [7,32]. This is particularly true for children who have difficulty functioning at home and in social and educational domains without being allowed to express their authentic gender identity. The potential risks of social transition must be balanced against the risk of the child becoming incapacitated by not living authentically. Most medical and mental health professionals agree that all children are more likely to have a healthy self-image, positive self-esteem, and general wellbeing when their authentic identity is recognized, supported, and loved [33].

Studies of the effects of social transition on future physical and mental health are ongoing. Among socially affirmed children, caregiver- and child-reported rates of depression are similar to rates in cisgender (ie, gender identity is aligned with the gender assigned at birth) age- and gender-matched controls as well as cisgender sibling controls, while rates of anxiety are only slightly higher [6,7,34]. The levels of depression and anxiety symptoms in these studies were substantially lower than those reported in previous studies of children with gender diversity who did not socially transition [35-38].

Although social transition benefits many TGD youth, it is not a prerequisite for initiating gender-affirming medical interventions. Some children and adolescents fear they will be harassed, bullied, or suffer physical violence if they make changes to their gender presentation before they develop the corresponding secondary sex characteristics. Consequently, youth who decide to wait on a social transition until after starting GAH should not have their affirming medical care delayed.

Health care providers can assist youth and their families/caregivers with making positive and successful social transition plans by:

●Helping them plan for disclosure to family/caregivers, friends, and social contacts

●Educating staff and students within the child's school system

●Creating plans for safety, responses to bullying, and other forms of social discrimination

Additional suggestions for education and support are provided separately. (See "Gender development and clinical presentation of gender diversity in children and adolescents", section on 'Education and support'.)

Families/caregivers can contact a number of local or national social and advocacy agencies to assist in making a safety assessment or in facilitating social transition in school and other settings. These agencies work with schools, teachers, and students to assist in developing plans for bathroom and locker room accommodations, registration questions, and overall education about gender-related issues. (See 'Resources' below.)

Mental health support — Mental health providers who have experience working with children with gender identity concerns are an important part of the health care team. Many TGD children and adolescents benefit from the support of a mental health provider to help cope with gender dysphoria, nonaccepting parents/caregivers, or serious interpersonal conflicts with peers (eg, bullying) [17,39]. Importantly, not all children with gender incongruity require mental health support, especially those who are supported at home, at school, and by their peers. Additional details about the role of the mental health provider are discussed separately. (See "Gender development and clinical presentation of gender diversity in children and adolescents", section on 'Role of the mental health provider'.)

The psychosocial assessment that occurs prior to starting gender-affirming medical care is discussed below. (See 'Psychosocial assessment' below.)

This is the most important part of it, imo:
Affirmation of gender identity and expression — Family/caregiver acceptance and other affirming environments that create space for youth to express and grow are essential for healthy development [6-8,12,17,20-22]. (See 'Society guideline links' below.)

We advocate approaches that put emphasis on understanding gender identity and gender expression from the child's perspective, which provides support for the child to evolve into their authentic self, regardless of their age. These approaches also underscore that gender diversity is not a mental illness.

Older approaches that delay therapy (labeled by some as the wait-and-see approach or watch-and-wait), attempt redirection, or attempt to manipulate gender identity (labeled by some as reparative therapy) are potentially harmful and may cause a decreased sense of self-worth, depression, self-harm, and suicidality [21-23]. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) discourages pediatric providers from taking a watch-and-wait approach because it is outdated and harmful, and it denies children the resources they need to explore gender identity [24]. Attempts to manipulate gender identity are considered unhelpful and potentially harmful by most professional organizations, including the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the AAP, and the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine [16,22,25-31].

So tell me, how much of this has really changed? They still call to affirm immediately, still discourage a watch-and-wait approach "because it is outdated and harmful", and call any therapy that doesn't affirm immediately but try to get to the bottom of it and see if there are other underline reasons for this will to transition an "attempt to manipulate gender identity (labeled by some as reparative therapy)" - "reparative therapy" is just another name for "conversion therapy" by the way, funny they don't clarify it this now, they did in the past. They wrote it less clearly this time, seemingly less decisive compared to the very clear and determined bulleted list that was before, but... it seems pretty much the same.

I am waiting for the day they will change the content completely. How much longer this is going to take? Minors are getting transitioned in the meantime. Horrible.
 
I've gotten the argument from "feminists" that because trans women are more "marginalized", that Muslim women aren't allowed to object. Can you imagine telling women from patriarchal societies that can't even show their hair in public that men in dresses have more say in women's spaces than actual women do?

Musilim women are exactly the women that feminists should fight for and they can't be bothered because Islam gives them the ick, but dudes letting their balls swing in women's spaces is AOK?

God, we are in the dankest timeline.

And it's also very telling that some trannies even become Muslims, but they seem to do it only to "maximize" their oppression scale levels, and not because they want to genuinely follow Islam and its rules and traditions.
 
And it's also very telling that some trannies even become Muslims, but they seem to do it only to "maximize" their oppression scale levels, and not because they want to genuinely follow Islam and its rules and traditions.
Some of them may be reverting to Islam to oppression-max, but there are a lot of MtF troons who are clearly doing it as a fetish. Losing status is what makes a sissy coom; they've discovered that there's a lower status than "woman" and it's "veiled Muslim woman." There are sissy caption images that basically say that in the same words.
 
I think there needs to be a term for oppression fetishization and that people need to be aware of it so they can avoid these people.
 
I imagine that wearing a burqa also makes it easier to "pass" as either a woman or a Hefty bag.
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Turns out there's even a thread, courtesy of @Hamplanet Fitness :

 
With this I can totally agree with you. If both the conservative and progressive sides of this argument agreed that gender non conformity is a thing there would not really be much "transgenderism" people would just accept that they just enjoy things commonly associated with the opposite gender role instead of seeing it as a symptom of "I must totally not be what I am, I must become the other thing"
I know you think Transgenderism has always been a thing blah blah blah.
But that's NOT true.
Most people in the '80's and '90's hadn't even heard of Trannys.
What we DID have, by the '90's, is what we want now!
Children were being taught that it didnt matter what clothes you wore or job you did etc etc. We had multiple GNC rock stars who were VERY feminine but simultaneously sex symbols.
The Sex you were was becoming less and less important.
Then Gays got to be legal, get married, have regular lives.
Good.
Then activists needed to keep their jobs and money and they shit it all up for EVERYONE.
Are their certain hobbies that are more favored by one gender that don't really change when someone troons out?

I don't seem to see that many troons in car community, or at least I haven't dived deep enough to find them. Aside from people that view cars as just appliances, the preferences with them tend to depend on gender, i.e. men liking fast and sporty cars, while women like luxury cars and luxury SUVs. Also with cars, the lack of (?) interest on them by troons is probably because of their lifestyle aspects:
  • Troons are poor with money, so they can't afford to buy or maintain one.
  • They seem to be more fascinated with public transportation, one of the reasons being the said above inability to afford a car.
  • They tend to live in more bughive residential areas, so either they don't "need" one because of things being in walking distance, the said above fascinations with public transportation, or there's lack of parking so getting a car would be a hassle.
  • Troons tend to not go out that often, which would make them choose to not get a car because they don't need it.
  • Would trooning out also cause complications with getting car insurance, since gender (I think) is one factor that determines how much your premium will cost.
I also don't seem to notice troons having a different taste in cars once they troon out, i.e. a guy that likes American muscle cars changing their interest to German luxury SUVs after trooning out.

Also, in the rare case of troons that do still have interest in cars, what would they be most likely to drive? Nissans, Mitsubishis, Hyundais, and Kias come to mind because they're the cheaper brands, and they would seem to be more attracted to EVs than other people.
There is a photo book created by a tranny on this site somewhere that is just pictures of Trannys and their cars.
Its hilarious!
 
Then activists needed to keep their jobs and money and they shit it all up for EVERYONE.
I remember hearing a quote from a weed legalization activist that said if weed got fully legalized, they'd move onto trying to legalize other illegal drugs. There's no end goal for these people. Total Paid Activist Death.

If transgenderism and nonbinary gender lunacy became fully 100% accepted, and no one had a problem anymore with chopping up little kids' genitals, then these activists would move onto advocating for polyamorous marriages, public sex, pedophilia, incest, and bestiality. Some of them already are one step ahead and already advocating for these things.
 
Unrelated musing: I remember getting into an argument with a transperson in an IRC and they kept justifying a similar line of thought but with AGP by saying that women can be aroused from looking at themselves in a mirror, and that them being aroused (physically) meant they were the same. Are there any studies either biased or unbiased that capture this sort of thinking?
Women don’t have agp. Even a self-described AGP (Troon) sex researcher who is 100% onboard with the ideology said that “women have AGP, too” comes from a distortion of what AGP is. AGP in men was measured by monitoring their sexual response to totally benign things like “imagine yourself putting on lipstick” which no woman would be turned on by. It’s also pretty obvious on its face. Do women dress themselves up in school girl uniforms and masturbate in them? Do they get turned on when referred to as “she” like many troons admit to? Do women get a sexual thrill out of using the women’s bathroom?
 
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