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Has anyone mentioned Trump "open to invoking the insurrection act?"
President Donald Trump on Monday said he would consider using the Insurrection Act to deploy the military if federal courts prevented him from deploying the National Guard to protect federal buildings and conduct law enforcement operations.

The comments came a day after a federal judge blocked the president from sending National Guard troops to Portland, Oregon, which Trump claims has been taken over by left-wing “domestic terrorists.”


Trump told reporters in the Oval Office he did not yet see the need to use the Insurrection Act, but “if I had to enact it, I’d do it, if people were being killed and courts were holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up.”


“You look at what’s happening with Portland over the years, it’s a burning hell hole,” Trump added. “And then you have a judge that lost her way that tries to pretend that there’s no problem.”

The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a federal law that allows the president to nationally deploy the U.S. military or federalize state National Guard troops to quell what the president deems an insurrection against the United States.

Earlier Monday, White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said the administration had been contending with a “legal insurrection” and that rulings stifling the White House’s agenda amounted to “an insurrection against the laws and Constitution of the United States.”

“We need to have district courts in this country that see themselves as being under the laws and Constitution and not being able to take for themselves powers that are reserved solely for the president,” Miller added.

Trump has flirted with invoking the Insurrection Act before. During the 2024 campaign, he said he would use the law to suppress unrest. And at the end of his first term in office, some of his supporters urged him to invoke the law to try to hold onto power after his loss to former President Joe Biden.
First time since George HW Bush. Here's a good overview of the history of the insurrection act.
The Insurrection Act needs a major overhaul. Originally enacted in 1792, the law grants the president the authority to deploy the U.S. military domestically and use it against Americans under certain conditions. While there are rare circumstances in which such authority might be necessary, the law, which has not been meaningfully updated in over 150 years, is dangerously overbroad and ripe for abuse.

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What is the Insurrection Act?

The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Congress’s authority under the Constitution to “provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.” It is the primary exception to the Posse Comitatus Act, under which federal military forces are generally barred from participating in civilian law enforcement activities.

Although it is often referred to as the “Insurrection Act of 1807,” the law is actually an amalgamation of different statutes enacted by Congress between 1792 and 1871. Today, these provisions occupy Sections 251 through 255 in Title 10 of the United States Code.

What does invoking the Insurrection Act allow the president and military to do?

Under normal circumstances, the Posse Comitatus Act forbids the U.S. military — including federal armed forces and National Guard troops who have been called into federal service — from taking part in civilian law enforcement. This prohibition reflects an American tradition that views military interference in civilian government as being inherently dangerous to liberty.

Invoking the Insurrection Act temporarily suspends the Posse Comitatus rule and allows the president to deploy the military to assist civilian authorities with law enforcement. That might involve soldiers doing anything from enforcing a federal court order to suppressing an uprising against the government. Of course, not every domestic use of the military involves law enforcement activity. Other laws, such as the Stafford Act, allow the military to be used to respond to natural disasters, public health crises, and other similar events without waiving the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act.

In theory, the Insurrection Act should be used only in a crisis that is truly beyond the capacity of civilian authorities to manage. However, the Insurrection Act fails to adequately define or limit when it may be used and instead gives the president significant power to decide when and where to deploy U.S. military forces domestically.

When can the president invoke the Insurrection Act?

Troops can be deployed under three sections of the Insurrection Act. Each of these sections is designed for a different set of situations. Unfortunately, the law’s requirements are poorly explained and leave virtually everything up to the discretion of the president.

Section 251 allows the president to deploy troops if a state’s legislature (or governor if the legislature is unavailable) requests federal aid to suppress an insurrection in that state. This provision is the oldest part of the law, and the one that has most often been invoked.

While Section 251 requires state consent, Sections 252 and 253 allow the president to deploy troops without a request from the affected state, even against the state’s wishes. Section 252 permits deployment in order to “enforce the laws” of the United States or to “suppress rebellion” whenever “unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion” make it “impracticable” to enforce federal law in that state by the “ordinary course of judicial proceedings.”

Section 253 has two parts. The first allows the president to use the military in a state to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” that “so hinders the execution of the laws” that any portion of the state’s inhabitants are deprived of a constitutional right and state authorities are unable or unwilling to protect that right. Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy relied on this provision to deploy troops to desegregate schools in the South after the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education.

The second part of Section 253 permits the president to deploy troops to suppress “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy” in a state that “opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.” This provision is so bafflingly broad that it cannot possibly mean what it says, or else it authorizes the president to use the military against any two people conspiring to break federal law.

Who decides when the conditions for deployment have been met?

Nothing in the text of the Insurrection Act defines “insurrection,” “rebellion,” “domestic violence,” or any of the other key terms used in setting forth the prerequisites for deployment. Absent statutory guidance, the Supreme Court decided early on that this question is for the president alone to decide. In the 1827 case Martin v. Mott, the Court ruled that “the authority to decide whether [an exigency requiring the militia to be called out] has arisen belongs exclusively to the President, and . . . his decision is conclusive upon all other persons.”

However, there are exceptions to the general rule that courts can’t review a president’s decision to deploy. In subsequent cases, the Supreme Court has suggested that courts may step in if the president acts in bad faith, exceeds “a permitted range of honest judgment,” makes an obvious mistake, or acts in a way manifestly unauthorized by law.

Moreover, even in cases where the courts will not second-guess the decision to deploy troops, the Supreme Court clarified in Sterling v. Constantin (1932) that courts may still review the lawfulness of the military’s actions once deployed. In other words, federal troops are not free to violate other laws or trample on constitutional rights just because the president has invoked the Insurrection Act.

Is invoking the Insurrection Act the same as declaring martial law?

The Insurrection Act does not authorize martial law. The term “martial law” has no established definition, but it is generally understood as a power that allows the military to take over the role of civilian government in an emergency. By contrast, the Insurrection Act generally permits the military to assist civilian authorities (whether state or federal), not take their place. Under current law, the president has no authority to declare martial law.

How has the Insurrection Act been used in the past?

The Insurrection Act has been invoked numerous times throughout American history for a variety of purposes. Presidents George Washington and John Adams used it in response to early rebellions against federal authority. President Abraham Lincoln invoked it at the start of the Civil War, and President Ulysses Grant used it to crush the first incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1870s. Several other presidents, including Andrew Jackson, Rutherford Hayes, and Grover Cleveland, have deployed troops under the Insurrection Act to intervene in labor disputes, invariably on the side of employers. Most famously, Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson all invoked the Insurrection Act during the civil rights movement to enforce federal court orders desegregating schools and other institutions in the South.

When was the Insurrection Act last invoked?

The Insurrection Act was last invoked in 1992, when the governor of California requested military aid from President George H.W. Bush in response to civil unrest in Los Angeles that followed the acquittal of four white police officers charged with beating Black motorist Rodney King. At 29 years and counting, this is the longest period the United States has ever gone without an invocation of the Insurrection Act.

No president has unilaterally invoked the Insurrection Act against a state’s wishes since Lyndon Johnson did so to provide protection for civil rights activists in Alabama marching from Selma to Montgomery in 1965.

How should the Insurrection Act be reformed?

The lack of clear standards within the Insurrection Act itself, combined with the Supreme Court’s ruling in Martin v. Mott, has created a situation where the president has almost limitless discretion to deploy federal troops in cases of civil unrest. Such unbounded authority to use the military domestically has always been dangerous. In the 21st century, it is also unnecessary and untenable. The United States has changed profoundly in the 150 years since the Insurrection Act was last amended, as have the capabilities of state and federal civilian authorities and the expectations of the American people. The Insurrection Act — arguably the most potent of the president’s emergency powers — should reflect those realities.

To address these concerns, Congress should amend the Insurrection Act to define more clearly and precisely what situations may trigger it. Congress also should establish mechanisms for review of the president’s decision that will guard against abuse while still preserving the president’s flexibility in a crisis.
 
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The only people who still use the old "the world is laughing at America" line are past-their-prime liberal women. Even the most out-of-touch European stopped using that line a long time ago.
Before Trump tax payer dollars were secretly being used to fund transgender surgeries in Guatemala, promote gay rights in Uganda, fund gay plays in Ireland. I’m not making this shit up.
Also taxpayer money was being used in state Medicaid systems to fund free healthcare for illegal aliens.
I don’t care if countries are laughing at us now, I’ve seen what makes them clap and cheer.
 
Having a childish vindictive President doesn't help.....
The rest of the world is laughing at the USA,
If you're Australian, your country was cool with camps during COVID. So, I mean, most of us don't take that country seriously.

Secondly, Trump is mostly either trolling/being an entertainer or doing shit his base wants. If he didn't do it he'd still be called a "fAsCiSt." There's no benefit in him NOT from his POV. Most didn't take him seriously from the start.
 
I want to chime in on this specifically as someone from Sweden. The rest of the world kept preaching about how ideal Sweden is in every respect. Our country is now in ruin.

Others views of your country are completely irrelevant and mean nothing. What matters is what's actually happening in your own country. Nothing else.
Almost afraid to ask, but is there any hope or is shit completely fucked?
 
When niggas say this as some kind of own, it has always made zero sense to me. Why would care that "the world" ( Europe,Canada and Australia) is laughing? It just shows they are obsessed with burger cock.

To be fair it is not entirely irrelevant, just not something to be focused on at the cost of your country.
That's fair, yes, I was a bit too strong in my wording. It matters to an extent, but it's not even in the top 10 of issues to care about. For another example, look at Saudi Arabia. Everyone hates them. Nobody can mention them without human rights violations being brought up. But that also doesn't matter because as soon as they flaunt their money, everyone is their lapdog. They get sporting events, they buy game companies, they get every comedian (especially the ones who constantly push liberal talking points) to show up to their festival.

A country's reputation is not entirely irrelevant, this is true. But it does not matter in comparison to the country's assets (which includes a populace that is hard-working and motivated to strengthen their country, something that America is working to regain).
 
A country's reputation is not entirely irrelevant, this is true. But it does not matter in comparison to the country's assets (which includes a populace that is hard-working and motivated to strengthen their country, something that America is working to regain).
As I said earlier, Before trump we were using tax payer dollars to fund transgender surgeries in Guatemala. Democrats threw a fit and caused this government shutdown because they really want illegal aliens to have free healthcare at the expense of American citizens.
I honestly do not give a fuck if tranny run countries who import unlimited muhamadeen sex pests laugh at us. I’ve seen what makes them clap and cheer.
 
Almost afraid to ask, but is there any hope or is shit completely fucked?
I am, as Null would say, a positive Polly so I don't think that hope is ever truly gone. But it will take a long time, and a lot of painful effort, for good times to return to Sweden. Given how our government system works coupled with how the media still tends to lie about the actual situation as best they can, I don't think it will turn around any time soon. But it will turn around eventually. I believe Sweden will be a good country again. But I also don't think that I can afford to stay around in it and wait until that happens, sad as that is to say.
 
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My reaction when I'm enjoying everyone at kiwi farms coming together and shitting on the dumb Aussie, but then I remember that my mom is a dumb Aussie:
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If it's standard procedure find me a single other clip of any western politician responding to "are you going to free this convicted child sex trafficker" with "I'm going to look into it and speak to the doj". You faggots would be absolutely rabid if the opposite team in this gay hegelian dialectic responded that way and you know it. For me its the hypocrisy ;^)
For all of the dummies out there, Maxwell is currently cooperating with the investigation. If you say there's no chance of a pardon, maybe she stops cooperating.
 
"Your country is a laughing stock!"
Extremely weak social manipulation aside, anyone that actually believes this needs to try traveling and meeting people. It isn't even remotely true outside of liberal bubbles.
 
Every attempted sick burn on America by the rest of the world is a self defeating logic loop.

"America racist because immigration reforms" - thank God they are closing their boarders and kicking out minorities that will no longer be subject to their racist ICE agents!

"America bad because tariffs" - good thing they are divesting from your nation so you won't be subject to their awful trade policies.
 
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