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good news, the florida and texas national guards have already volunteered, and precedent was set during desegregation to use things all the way up to paratroopers fresh from the war. as far as i'm concerned, integration justified the use of the actual US military, since they had seen the national guard of the state be used to barricade the school to prevent integration.

this is a long time coming, and they've been begging for it ever since 1957. you want federal troops to enforce what the federal government believes should be law? this is what happens when you just hand that power over.
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this is the 101st airborne division. the screaming eagles. they deployed hardened, WW2/Korea troops. this is already something the government has done.

Good news that we have existing precedent. Trump really needs to put a bit more effort into cleaning out all the corrupt Judges.

https://www.history.com/articles/national-guard-federal-troops-deployments
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A Trump nominated federal judge just issued a temporary restraining order that blocks the admin from federalizing the Oregon Nat Guard.
There's nothing in the Constitution putting judges in the chain of command between the President and the militia. I mean, I'm just a keyboard warrior, but it would be funny if Trump casually dismissed this as an irrelevant opinion (which it is).
 
I hate being hyperbolic, but something has to break soon. Liberal enclaves won't utilize the police to adequately secure ICE facilities while judges piss and shit everywhere living in an alternate ideal reality.
every time when you think "oh this is it, this shit can't stand' it keeps just ratcheting up. We really are setting on a massive powder keg, and i'm not sure what's gonna set that shit off.
 
Good news that we have existing precedent. Trump really needs to put a bit more effort into cleaning out all the corrupt Judges.

https://www.history.com/articles/national-guard-federal-troops-deployments
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oh for sure. it's like they never, ever thought that they'd get called on any of this. leftists of all stripes have lived with their head in the sand, and right-wingers have let them do it, and suddenly SOME of that is changing (not all but certainly some) and they have absolutely no idea what to do but scream and cry that it's fascist. but it wasn't fascist when they did it. i am currently in the goal of getting that same libtard friend i always argue with to say bluntly "it's different when we do it," which i will consider a victory.
 
What the hell happens when the police at all levels (grunts, sheriffs, etc) are disobeying the government?
For the most part, they aren't. Portland police are under portlands control, and they're following orders to not do their jobs. The federal government has extremely limited authority over them, and none of that authority is to order them to perform actions or arrests. The portland police chief wants them to be doing this, and the feds can't do shit about him.

Thats what makes this muddy, the city has powers and rights separate from the feds. What should be happening is that these officers should be refusing to follow shitty orders from local command, but that would only remove them from the scenario, not get them authority to perform mass arrests or anything.

I hate being hyperbolic, but something has to break soon. Liberal enclaves won't utilize the police to adequately secure ICE facilities while judges piss and shit everywhere living in an alternate ideal reality.
Its mostly up to when the Feds stop caring about their relation with the city. They've got plenty of options regarding federal law and enforcement if they really wanted to go scorched earth, but it can't be understated how bad the situation would get if local police were ordered to actively obstruct federal officers. That's the shit that'd actually trigger calls of insurrection, not obstruction by absence but active portland PD hands on ICE officers. Right now, its apparently not deemed worth the risk. While its a million to one, all it'd take is one roided up local officer who thinks he's god due to his orders deciding he's taking in a fed who tried to arrest a protestor, only for the other feds to back him up. At that point, whichever side has the clearer head around use of force escalation loses.
 
There's nothing in the Constitution putting judges in the chain of command between the President and the militia. I mean, I'm just a keyboard warrior, but it would be funny if Trump casually dismissed this as an irrelevant opinion (which it is).
not only this, but marbury v. madison has already ruled that the supreme court has the power of judicial review. it did not grant that to all courts. in addition, marbury also laid out that there must be some kind of demonstrably unconstitutional behavior for SCOTUS to legitimately rule an action as unconstitutional under judicial review. it's not carte blanche for a faggot FISA judge to do this. trump should've known better than to nominate anyone on the FIS judiciary.
 
every time when you think "oh this is it, this shit can't stand' it keeps just ratcheting up. We really are setting on a massive powder keg, and i'm not sure what's gonna set that shit off.
Just to add to this, Civilians have fully auto rifles now. (Super safeties and Forced Reset Triggers) as some genius found a way around the 1986 ban.
 
The portland police chief wants them to be doing this, and the feds can't do shit about him.

The Sheriffs could. They could arrest the entire police force and city Mayors. They could even step up and arrest the Governor. They could, but they won’t.
 
Its mostly up to when the Feds stop caring about their relation with the city. They've got plenty of options regarding federal law and enforcement if they really wanted to go scorched earth, but it can't be understated how bad the situation would get if local police were ordered to actively obstruct federal officers. That's the shit that'd actually trigger calls of insurrection, not obstruction by absence but active portland PD hands on ICE officers. Right now, its apparently not deemed worth the risk. While its a million to one, all it'd take is one roided up local officer who thinks he's god due to his orders deciding he's taking in a fed who tried to arrest a protestor, only for the other feds to back him up. At that point, whichever side has the clearer head around use of force escalation loses.
A paycheck is a paycheck but I can't imagine a world where a beat cop would willingly line up to arrest/impede federal agents. Not out of some moral or political ideology, but the act completely skull fucking their everything. One way or the other.
 
The Sheriffs could. They could arrest the entire police force and city Mayors. They could even step up and arrest the Governor. They could, but they won’t.
that's the problem with elected officials. scared out of their shitters to do anything. the sheriff of portland, and the sheriff of chicago, would instantly be replaced with nigger worshippers and illegal-defenders if they themselves don't worship niggers and defend illegals. they are slimy, scumfuck politicians to the very end, looking only to pad their own wallets rather than serve and protect their communities in any way.
 
A paycheck is a paycheck but I can't imagine a world where a beat cop would willingly line up to arrest/impede federal agents. Not out of some moral or political ideology, but the act completely skull fucking their everything. One way or the other.
I could imagine a Portland PD rookie trying to be a hero.
 
A paycheck is a paycheck but I can't imagine a world where a beat cop would willingly line up to arrest/impede federal agents. Not out of some moral or political ideology, but the act completely skull fucking their everything. One way or the other.
Yeah, the typical modern rank-and-file cop is a fairweather coward who cares more about his pension than trying to go all out as a hero. If the US fell tomorrow and was replaced by a totalitarian regime, they'd go back to work as the stazi without a care.

The trouble are the antifa-aligned and -connected individuals, who are more problematic in their roles of control over these police departments.
 

Reading another one of these TROs for the umpteenth time and I just think at this point that judges live in a completely different reality, consisting entirely of ideology and autism. A dented zone of abstractions that bear no relation to what a law says, what its function is, and who is supposed to execute it. It just seems like people with opinions that words should mean whatever they feel like, and precedent based on opinions from some robed guy matter more than the original framing of something. Also, post-bruen the "noticing" that "history" determines what the present day should be seems to be a sort of demented autism that judges have, as if what happens in courts matter more than again, what a law says or what a reality is.

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This statement literally doesn't mean anything if you're a plaintext chad and not a judicial faggot.
"This is a nation of constitutional law" that also accepts unconstitutional conditions like a fucking random judge issuing this order!

This reminds me of "experts" in the scientific community who quote "peer reviewed" papers that don't hold up to scrutiny, but people just take as gospel because its "historically accepted, settled science". Happens all the fucking time in "the rational" world (my liberal ideological opinion is always right™).
 
Its mostly up to when the Feds stop caring about their relation with the city. They've got plenty of options regarding federal law and enforcement if they really wanted to go scorched earth, but it can't be understated how bad the situation would get if local police were ordered to actively obstruct federal officers. That's the shit that'd actually trigger calls of insurrection, not obstruction by absence but active portland PD hands on ICE officers. Right now, its apparently not deemed worth the risk. While its a million to one, all it'd take is one roided up local officer who thinks he's god due to his orders deciding he's taking in a fed who tried to arrest a protestor, only for the other feds to back him up. At that point, whichever side has the clearer head around use of force escalation loses.
If the Portland government is secretly coordinating with antifa behind the scenes, and they almost certainly are, there might be ways for the feds to take action.
 
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