Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread - Gorl Tawk's very own DMZ (De-Moidified Zone)

[Dr. Butt]

Idk "prostitution is the oldest profession"

How is it the oldest profession if guys would have had to do work to get money to pay the prostitutes? That phrase has never made any sense to me. Oh ok, in the ancient times before money some cave-john paid a cave-hooker in mammoth chunks? Well guess what, he had to do the profession of mammoth hunting to get those.
That's not "the oldest profession", that's "the first liquor store on the way home from work".

 

[Inside your walls]

Less than 24hrs later he got hired at some right wing grifter show yet still is keeping the $10K he raised in the interim. I love how his voice was shaking in the call with his employer lol

The whole voice call has the same energy of that trope where a nerd that keeps being bullied by a physically stronger jock tries defeat his bully with FACTS and LOGIC, only for him to end up stuffed in a locker with a wedgie.

Him squirming and going "L-l-let me explain the context for this!!1" in the phone call is proof how despite these men priding themselves as being outspoken conservatives who don't give a fuck about what normies and triggered lefties think about them, they not only instantly fold when they get confronted for their views IRL but also how most of them cannot genuinely function IRL in terms of debating and confrontation because their gay little clapbacks and gotchas that only impress those peon brained people online do not work in a real life, which is they are so terminally online and reliant on their safe spaces. Which itself is ironic, given that they spent years shitting on the idea of safespaces/hugboxes for being a "leftist" value.

I'm especially sick of hearing this and "you voted for this" directed at female crime victims, as if everyone who advocates for bail reform and lax immigration is female and no men supported it at all.

They will never be vitriolic towards men who have "wrong political affiliations" or advocate harder for libshit values such as reform and lax immigration they same way they are vitriolic towards women, because they still see potential solidarity and fraternity with these men even if they're the ones voting for destructive policies similiarly to how men will choose men of other races, including those that spent centuries shitting on them over their own women, while expecting women to do the same for them if they are put in that scenario and getting mad when they don't do that.

A good example of this in action is that one man got murdered by a black crackhead in NYC a year ago, men were more hyperfixated on the politics of the dead guy's libshit girlfriend who chose to not call the police so the black guy doesn't get in trouble while absolving the dead dude completely of the possibility he might been also equally or maybe even more libshitty than his girlfriend.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Or men in Australia suing prostitutes because they weren’t happy with the service, because even though they had sex she didn’t do everything he asked, and her having to pay him back, making it unambiguous rape for nothing.

That's actually just how Australian people go to the store, it's nothing to do with men or prostitutes.

 

[Arbiter]

Isn't it something like 95% of the men who use prostitutes are married? I wish infidelity was still punished with prison time.

 

[obliviousbeard]

Isn't it something like 95% of the men who use prostitutes are married? I wish infidelity was still punished with prison time.

Something like that, not too sure about percentages. This is based on couple interview articles in national media too, where the prostitutes themselves admit to that. Note that these are more "sex work is real work" types, rather than trafficking victims. Yet another reason why I don't like prostitution.

 

[Mamimi]

How is it the oldest profession if guys would have had to do work to get money to pay the prostitutes? That phrase has never made any sense to me. Oh ok, in the ancient times before money some cave-john paid a cave-hooker in mammoth chunks? Well guess what, he had to do the profession of mammoth hunting to get those.
That's not "the oldest profession", that's "the first liquor store on the way home from work".

The "oldest profession" phrase was first used in a Rudyard Kipling short story, and old timey newspapers basically memed it into a euphemism they could use to avoid giving their readers the vapors. It was a literary device that got repeated so much people started taking it as fact without looking any deeper.

Even if sex was the first service exchanged for money, it would not even qualify as a job, never mind a profession. An early human woman exchanging sex for resources was likely to be an occasional act of opportunity or desperation that most of them did at one point, rather than having particular women specialize in it. A profession is work that requires extensive schooling and often a certification of some kind. A job that you can perform while inebriated or unconscious, that pays more the younger you are and the less experience you have, is not a profession.

Spoiler: Tangent about Firefly (TW: Joss Whedon soy content)

My Nigel showed me Firefly recently and wanted to know how I felt about its depiction of sex work, which has been apparently been lauded by redditors as a positive depiction. In the Firefly universe, prostitution is not only legal and respected, it is institutionalized. All aspiring Companions, as they are known, attend an academy where they learn to suck dick and be charming (or something - I found the show unfathomably soy so I wasn't paying much attention), and eventually join the hooker guild which requires them to be regularly STD tested. I didn't have high hopes since Firefly is the handiwork of Joss "Male Feminist" Whedon. But I still found it odd that the supposedly respected Companion Inara ends up being called a whore by more than one male character on the ship and most of her customers, and the only thing she does about it is make a quip before she goes back to smiling benevolently at the offender. Maybe ol' Joss was onto something actually - even in an idealized world where all prostitutes are emotionally stable, educated women who just happen to love sex with strangers, men would still insult them.

 

[Arbiter]

Something like that, not too sure about percentages. This is based on couple interview articles in national media too, where the prostitutes themselves admit to that. Note that these are more "sex work is real work" types, rather than trafficking victims. Yet another reason why I don't like prostitution.

That's not very "ethical nonmonogamy" of them. I guess that progressive virtue goes out the window when it's inconvenient. Prostitution hurts women and children directly through the prostitution AND it hurts women and children indirectly through infidelity. Prostitution ends up hurting all women and children, and society at large. I don't see how anyone could think fostering prostitutions in a country could be anything but destructive. Unless they are Johns or pimps of course. Anyways, here are some documentaries that try to show brothels in a quirky, empowering light, but they just end up being rage-inducing and depressing.

 

[Rat Friend]

Germany's prostitution culture is why I decided not to move and study there nearly ten years ago--German and other European women on the feminist forums I visited were warning me that people who move to Germany will be required to work and one of the options they give female Visa holders (and curiously NOT males!!) is...to work in a brothel.

While I deeply despise Germany and the gross culture unfuckable German moids fester around visiting brothels or walking around naked on declared beaches, I don't think this is true and the result of misinterpretation of the laws and an existing case that happened. Neither the job agency or VISAs will force you into prostitution.
While the laws are rather liberal, there is still free choice and voluntariness listed as a legal requirement, means you can not be forced to go into sex work. Forcing someone into sex work is criminalized. Visas are pretty regulated and require you to work certain jobs and hours, i highly doubt sex work is one of them. I think most jobs require some kind of qualification, if we talking student visas here, because germans REALLY love their certificates/diplomas. Maybe i misinterpreted something, german law text are very autistic. Would not be the first time german law deeply disappoints me (See: age of consent laws)

However I think what fueled this was a case where the job agency sent a job offer to a 19 year old woman to work in a hostess bar inside a brothel.
She rightfully complained against it and the job agency pulled back. While no direct positions as prostitutes get offered, there is the possibility that barmaid jobs in brothels or nightclubs might be offered to women. The job agency case manager has to check in if the person would be willing to work in an establishment like that.

The job agencies in Germany are super retarded, they filter and review very little when it comes to the jobs they list (you are being sent job offers via letters) and given we all know how little effort some companies put into their job offers, you sometimes get offered hot steaming dogshit. I would not doubt that more mistakes like that happened.

EDIT: wording and spellchecks

 

[SubZeroth]

Correction both Sweden, Norway and Denmark criminalise buying sex and pimping especially pimping. This makes it very difficult to trafic under legal pretenses

Prostitution is legal, that prevents additional criminalisation of victims of teafficking

Please could you expand on how it curbs trafficking? Even under the Nordic model pimping arises almost inevitably given the dangerous nature of the trade and the need for women to organise and protect themselves.

I'm a flesh trade abolitionist and despise any attempt to frame it as 'work' or 'a service' because all that does is give currency to the idea that women are sexual utilities for men to use, that access to women is merely a monetary consideration, that sex is an obligation women owe to men.

It divorces bodily autonomy, dignity and mutuality from sex (sex is legally viewed as an act rooted in reciprocity, hence the concept of rape, which is outlawed). It is incompatible with the concept of consent, freely given.

Here, the money is a silencer, a tool to bludgeon her into complicity. Its inexorable conclusion is in the legitimisation of survival sex and the enablement of male sexual entitlement as well as the dehumanisation of the women engaged in said exchange. Privileged women who shill for it would never imagine doing it themselves but are perfectly happy co-signing the creation of a legally rapeable class of women.

You can read how men talk about them on prostitute review sites where the johns congregate. It is shockingly cruel and degrading. They see periods and pregnancy at times as nuisances getting in the way of them extracting their pleasure at others, titillating as it allows them to indulge their fetishes. I dare not think what they do with a lactating prostitute.

This talk about harm reduction is easily coopted into bad faith arguments because the woman having sex doesn't have the right to withdraw consent at any time. Femicide rates remain elevated among prostitutes because their clienteles selects for the worst type of men -- men who have no moral qualms about forcing themselves on women who do not find them desirable. Men who view the women as rentable real estate to park their limp dicks. There's also no way to protect women from exposure to hazardous materials ie bodily eliminations. Many STDs can be transferred even with a condom due to repeated sexual contact. Women incur injuries in their intimate parts, in addition to women already being more susceptible to STDs due to our anatomy, tears etc amplify the chances of infection. Virulent STDs can immunocompromised the infected and leave her vulnerable to a plethora of other diseases including kidney failure. Many punters refuse to wear condoms and depends on demand, prostitutes have to relent to it.

It abjectly destroys women's psyches and traumatised their body, which does keep the score. It poisons what's meant to be a visceral realisation of one's bond with the one we love, trust enough to be totally vulnerable and to share our most intimate self with. It strips it of pleasure and meaning.

All this is to say that prostitution is fundamentally at odds with the safety, dignity and privacy of its constituents. Harm reduction is like taking a bucket to a forest fire.

 

[a vending machine]

I'm especially sick of hearing this and "you voted for this" directed at female crime victims, as if everyone who advocates for bail reform and lax immigration is female and no men supported it at all.

There is this story going viral recently about a negroid who killed a child getting let out of jail early in Kentucky and I saw some twitcel say women voted for this.
So a man killing a male child in a state governed by a man is somehow women's fault?
I pointed that there are men that voted for Beshear too and he agreed but still said "men as whole wouldn't have voted for him"
So you agree while still doubling down?

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Enjoy that McDonalds job, soyright's pet gook!!!!
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Charlie Kirk's assassination was male on male violence and there were plenty of men that were celebrating or justifying it, but the kuckorean only focuses on the women doing it and useses as a way to demonize them. Because men get judged individually while women have to get judged as a collective.
Then people like him will turn around and wonder why Korea's birthrate are so low.
And once again that lack of self awareness, "they tried to silence me" the moid cries out in pain as he tries to take away your rights.

 

[Kyff]

Because men get judged individually while women have to get judged as a collective.

The thought of being judged as a collective must be too devastating to contemplate for the average Korean scrote. They know what they and their fellow scrotes are

 

[DeeNaMeeTay]

“Modern woman” this, “modern woman” that. What about ‘modern men’. Every one of those conservative figures that men look up (Charlie Kirk, Jordan Peterson, Matt Walsh etc.) are in some font misogynists. There is no love for women being promoted in their messages only how women can service them in achieving their own peak masculine image. I am not having their babies nor being their house slaves if they say it is the only thing we are good for. If this is the future and what every man will be molded into than it is SO OVER.

This or beta soy cucks like Curtis Conner, Dean Withers, Hasan, or Noah Sampson, I dunno what is worse…

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Because men get judged individually while women have to get judged as a collective.

You just know that those who say "Not all men" also be like "Yes all women".

 

[Chandelier]

Stefan Molymeme is still going with the empty egg carton thing. Men in his comments refuse to consider that past 35, men's sperm is spoiled and is a high risk for autistic children. Men love data unless it says something bad about their bodies.


"NUH UH IT'S THE EGGS!"

Oh my, guess women giving birth then are old ladies.


Men care about biology. Just not anything talking about aging sperm and what happens to it. That's all fake news.


Men are the ones not putting a ring on it.

 

[Red flag]

Stefan Molymeme is still going with the empty egg carton thing. Men in his comments refuse to consider that past 35, men's sperm is spoiled and is a high risk for autistic children. Men love data unless it says something bad about their bodies.
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"NUH UH IT'S THE EGGS!"
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Oh my, guess women giving birth then are old ladies.
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Men care about biology. Just not anything talking about aging sperm and what happens to it. That's all fake news.
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Men are the ones not putting a ring on it.
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IT'S NAWT TRUUUUUUU!!!!!

The gender of soyence can't comprehend eggs that were already there from birth aren't as prone to mutations as sperm - which is in a constant cycle of creation and therefore of course would naturally degrade as the moid ages.

Goes hand in hand with moids getting mad at their wives for not "giving" them sons when it's literally their sperm that's the cause.

 

[Kyff]

: it is common for women to invert reality

"Things that don't immediately fit into my world view can't real #rational"

 

[2mm and 99 others]

“men are visual”.

Visual my ass. If they are visual, how come they are able to bear looking in the mirror and not do something?
We had elections recently, and more than half of the party representatives, including leaders, look like they can't afford a barber. It's so bad they don't bother even at their most important day in years.

 

[Discourteous Discourse]

"Things that don't immediately fit into my world view can't real #rational"

Reminds me of this:

Spoiler: text

real talk, the most dangerously emotional people in the world are men so obsessed with being rational that they consistently mistake their own feelings for objective logic, on the basis that believing in rationality makes their feelings guided by rationality and thus infallible

 

[crazedaze]

Liberal moid explaining how the left isn't mean enough to the right to counter hateful rhetoric. You actually don't convert people to your side in this day and age by being level-headed, but by surpassing the other side in vitriol. People are more conservative now because the right has better and more powerful hate for the other side. The right demonizing cities in particular didn't even turn off city-dwelling voters; actually, MORE city people vote conservative than before, so libs need to turn the hate back onto them.

Liberal moid explaining that women being mean to men actually pushes men to the right and that you can't fight misogynistic hate with miSAndRy because men will get even further entrenched in their hatred and turn to right-leaning hateful ideologies and spaces.

 

[Jellie Opal]

Men love data unless it says something bad about their bodies.

Men turn their noses up at data that reveals who they are, which is why they try so hard to downplay rape and murder stats, prostitution stats, domestic abuse stats...anything that reveals their actions.

Liberal moid explaining how the left isn't mean enough to the right to counter hateful rhetoric. You actually don't convert people to your side in this day and age by being level-headed, but by surpassing the other side in vitriol. People are more conservative now because the right has better and more powerful hate for the other side. The right demonizing cities in particular didn't even turn off city-dwelling voters; actually, MORE city people vote conservative than before, so libs need to turn the hate back onto them.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=f-NM8MbJL2kLiberal moid explaining that women being mean to men actually pushes men to the right and that you can't fight misogynistic hate with miSAndRy because men will get even further entrenched in their hatred and turn to right-leaning hateful ideologies and spaces.
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Men have no unity unless it's hating women and telling us to shut up in various ways. How many bitch-ass moids love to whine about how women not catering to men is what makes men wonewy and wadicalized? It's actually WOMEN's FAULTS that men are evil and violent and volatile and crave blood!!!!

Just another example of the uneven dichotomies men project onto women, which bifurcates them into controllable categories; Madonna/Whore; Passive/Hyperactive; Mistress/Wife; etc. It's abuser logic, too, meant to deflect all personal responsibility onto the victim of the volatile actions: You fighting back makes me feel like I can't express myself without judgement! You being passive and letting me scream my head off and punch holes in the wall makes me feel like a bad person and like I'm out of control! You saving up money for yourself and the kids makes me the bad guy, like I'm not contributing to the family! You not having any money of your own puts too much pressure on me, so of course I had to seek pleasure outside of the home!

The online interactions of this dichotomy are exhibited by male crybabies who blame women for, as we know, anything and everything: Women being feminist online has poisoned the digital well! Men can't even post without getting hounded by women!! Why even TRY to be a good person when women already think the worst of you!?! Why should a guy even TRY to approach a woman when [enters some made-up or out of context statistic] they're more likely to turn him down because XYZ??? That's why I turn to porn, because those women can't say no to me and I can watch them as much as I want in any position I want performed by any type of woman I want!!!!!

Comparatively, it's so pathetic. "Being mean" to men "pushes" them to the political right?

Men want to control women, full stop, no matter the political space. If he can't do that in one party, he'll go to another. That's why it's so unsurprising that the MRA-to-TIM pipeline exists, for example: they want to control women's autonomy, but their fetish has warped their senses, so they move to the political group and space where they can practice their fetish openly AND still have control of women's autonomy. MRA's "wives owe sex to their husbands or they've evil harpies" = TIM's "women are obligated to fuck trans women or they're transphobic."

And yet, we women en masse don't "go to the dark side" when we experience hardships. Plenty of women fight for the rights of themselves and others even in the face of things like legislative oppression and cultural repression. How many times have we seen men legitimately post things like "why even try to be a good person?" That's so low and revealing of their weak moral characters. The saddest, worst western example I can think of is the comparative stats of female vs. male mass shooters. Male dissatisfaction with life is explosive, and the innocent suffer for it. You'll never convince me that male violence is somehow my or other women's faults. For all the traumatic and genuinely painful things I've been put through at the hands of men, I've never raised my hand, voice, or weapon to anyone or anything just because I felt anger, betrayal, fear, or whatever else negative emotion they cite in their defenses of violence. Even the most basic experience of men "being mean" to me did not make me a cruller person, because I chose not to be. It's cultural dicksucking, the belief that women are obligated to cater to men, even in their anger or trauma response.