Debate mlanguishi about the police system in America

[mlanguishi]

I had a cop lie to me about the plate display laws of a state on the other side of the country (where I was from and the car was registered) in order to try and tack on additional fines. He claimed his wife was from that state, and she told him [X], when in fact the law says [not X, except in very specific circumstances]. It was a shock, and seriously decreased my trust in police officers.

Just look at interrogation vids released. We only get to see the 'guilty' ones. But even then, the cops are always allowed to lie. If you lie by admission even, that's used against you. They can always ask questions in an arrest situation. They never 'read your rights' until they've made up the mind to arrest you. It's a total stacked decked. And even here people defend that system.

They only release the vids of the guilty, rest are too 'boring' I guess. So the default thinking is if you're arrested or approached by a cop, you're guilty.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I had a cop lie to me about the plate display laws of a state on the other side of the country (where I was from and the car was registered) in order to try and tack on additional fines. He claimed his wife was from that state, and she told him [X], when in fact the law says [not X, except in very specific circumstances]. It was a shock, and seriously decreased my trust in police officers.

Cops can lie to you. Best thing to do is simply not talk to them.

If you are on foot: "I plead the Fifth, I am exercising my right to remain silent, and I do not consent to any search." Don't say anything else, don't be rude, and stay calm. Either the cop will arrest you or he'll keep playing word games with you to try and get you to say something he can arrest you for. You sorta have to put up with this until the cop says you're free to go. Either the cop will get angry and start seething (again hoping you'll do something he can arrest you for) or he'll realize what you're doing and let you go.

If you are in a car: provide your driver's license, registration, and proof of insurance. If a cop tells you to exit the vehicle, you have to exit. Beyond that? "I plead the Fifth, I am exercising my right to remain silent, and I do not consent to any search." Same thing. All a cop can really do after that is arrest you or try to find a reason to search your car (which is really just a cop trying to find a reason to trash your car and punish you).

If you are in your domicile: don't even answer the fucking door. If they have a warrant, they aren't going to knock.

 

[mlanguishi]

Cops can lie to you. Best thing to do is simply not talk to them.

If you are on foot: "I plead the Fifth, I am exercising my right to remain silent, and I do not consent to any search." Don't say anything else, don't be rude, and stay calm. Either the cop will arrest you or he'll keep playing word games with you to try and get you to say something he can arrest you for. You sorta have to put up with this until the cop says you're free to go. Either the cop will get angry and start seething (again hoping you'll do something he can arrest you for) or he'll realize what you're doing and let you go.

I'm done sperging, but even if they just arrest you that'll be on your record and fuck you up hard and you'll have to pay bigtime to get it off.

They're not going to 'let you go' they'll say 'we need info right now' and no rights read. Then will arrest you. Then you're in a world of hurt.

I get we want ICE to get these idiots and beat terrorists. Of course. But the regular cop system is bullshit in this country.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I'm done sperging, but even if they just arrest you that'll be on your record and fuck you up hard and you'll have to pay bigtime to get it off.

If a cop arrests you for bullshit, just keep asking for a lawyer. They can only keep you for so long until they are legally required to release you. Often times a supervisor will get pissed if one of his cops is wasting time, resources, and an interrogation room just to stick it to someone.

They're not going to 'let you go' they'll say 'we need info right now' and no rights read. Then will arrest you. Then you're in a world of hurt.

Yeah, that's a lawsuit. Especially in the current era of bodycams, cops can't get away with stuff like this like they used to.

 

[mlanguishi]

If a cop arrests you for bullshit, just keep asking for a lawyer. They can only keep you for so long until they are legally required to release you. Often times a supervisor will get pissed if one of his cops is wasting time, resources, and an interrogation room just to stick it to someone.

You'll pay 2k+ later to get that arrest expunged too my man, that sticks. That doesn't auto go away.

Most people have no clue how bad arrests work in this country at all. It's sad. Most don't even care.

This @Hey Johnny Bravo thinks you can sue the gov and cops, lol

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

If a cop arrests you for bullshit, just keep asking for a lawyer.

keep in mind this is today as police arrested a guy and held him for an hour figuring out what to charge him with because they don't like his politics
also on that subject people beyond Bondi are saying things so something might happen

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

You'll pay 2k+ later to get that arrest expunged too my man, that sticks. That doesn't auto go away.

Most people have no clue how bad arrests work in this country at all. It's sad. Most don't even care.

No one gives a shit if you've been arrested. What matters is if you've been charged or convicted of anything.

Edit to correct myself: in some states this is true, in other states it is not. Always check your state laws instead of relying on an Internet shitpost.

keep in mind this is today as police arrested a guy and held him for an hour figuring out what to charge him with because they don't like his politics
also on that subject people beyond Bondi are saying things so something might happen

Listen, dude, I'm just trying to tell people that there are simple ways to avoid getting fucked over by cops. If that makes you upset somehow, then so be it.

 

[mlanguishi]

No one gives a shit if you've been arrested. What matters is if you've been charged or convicted of anything.

BULLLLLSHIITTTTTTT

That's just insane talk right there

You have to get dropped charges paid expunged, and even that doesn't fully clear it. What a dumb statement.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

If that makes you upset somehow, then so be it.

no, I was trying to bring the conversation back from the abstract idea of "the police" to real life today

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

BULLLLLSHIITTTTTTT

That's just insane talk right there

Just because you got arrested for doing something illegal and then mouthed off and got fucked by the authorities doesn't mean it's going to happen to everyone else.

no, I was trying to bring the conversation back from the abstract idea of "the police" to real life today

Fair enough, I apologize.

 

[mlanguishi]

Just because you got arrested for doing something illegal and then mouthed off and got fucked by the authorities doesn't mean it's going to happen to everyone else.

Fair enough, I apologize.

You have no idea what you're talking about, but ok, I won't accept a dumb fake apology.

Anyone that thinks dropped 'arrests' doesn't count against them IRL is a fool. Insane fool. wtf really on that. Gotta $$$$$$$ to expunge them, and even then it's out there still.

 

[moocow]

You'll pay 2k+ later to get that arrest expunged too my man, that sticks. That doesn't auto go away.

And then you'll sue to claw back those costs. This isn't hard calculus, dude. They can't pull off the same bullshit they used to be able to. Not nearly as easily.

keep in mind this is today as police arrested a guy and held him for an hour figuring out what to charge him with because they don't like his politics

And a rather swift kick in the balls is coming to them for it, as has already been discussed.

On the physical, on-the-street level, yes, police can fuck with you. As the video I linked mentions, you cannot talk yourself out of arrest. "You can beat the fine but you can't beat the ride." You don't litigate on the street or with the asshole cop or his asshole boss or his asshole friends or the asshole DA or even the asshole judge (your lawyer does that). You do the bare minimum you're required by law to do, and nothing else. You give them no excuse or pretense they can later use against you to justify the mistreatment. Make them make shit up. They can "process is the punishment" you for awhile, but endure it without losing your temper or misbehaving, and you'll walk out eventually. Then you and your attorney will shred them to pieces over it.

There's a reason city governments and police departments carry liability insurance. Settlements over police misbehavior happen all the time. Just because they're not publicized (for some reason, cities and their liberal media friends prefer not to publicize police misconduct resulting in payouts unless the victim is a nigger) doesn't mean they don't happen.

Remember, even assholes like Patrick Tomlinson, who richly deserve the unending fuckery happening to him at the hands of the police, is likely to win a juicy settlement from the Milwaukee PD because of how fucking stupid they've been in handling the big mean internet trolls trying to "swat" him. People do win out against crooked cops, and it happens more than we all realize. The days of the crooked "good ol' boys" police departments running roughshod over hapless innocent city slickers are gone. Now it's mostly general incompetence rather than actual malice that causes the most damage. Malice is easy to slap back down.

But overall, fuckin' knock it off. Everybody sucks. Right now one group of people who suck are being punished by another group of people who suck, but we hate the first group more so shut the fuck up and enjoy the show. JFC you dumb fuckin' edgelords.

 

[Sammich]

No one gives a shit if you've been arrested.

lol, maybe if you have some chicken shit job where all you need is a pulse. But most background checks for any legit job will kick on be charged. I implore you, look into this a little bit, you aren't unreasonable. you hear people throw around "the process is the punishment".. that's what it means. well, one of the things, they will try to bankrupt you, but dirtying you up is part of it too.

 

[mlanguishi]

lol, maybe if you have some chicken shit job where all you need is a pulse. But most background checks for any legit job will kick on be charged. I implore you, look into this a little bit, you aren't unreasonable. you hear people throw around "the process is the punishment".. that's what it means. well, one of the things, they will try to bankrupt you, but dirtying you up is part of it too.

Heh, no shit man, wtf.. that guy's gotta be the next Iryana stabber type that lives on a subway that thinks arrests don't matter on a record. How fucking stupid.

And another saying 'sue them' for false arrests. hahhahahah, these people.

 

[babyDunk]

"Sic Semper Tyrannis"
"Don't Tread On Me"
"The purpose of the 2nd ammendment is to defend against tyranny"
"From my cold, dead hands"

None of these imply the abolishment of law enforcement bro, just over reach.But conservatives and libertarians have always defined 'overreach' differently

for instance, there are legit lolberts that do not want police stopping child sex trafficking, cause 'The market will correct itself', I'd wager a guess that you'll not find a conservitard or MAGAt alive that holds that opinion.The same applies to immigration, you can find lolberts coping about the admin craking down on infinite H1bs and southern border crossings.Why? "You are just interfering with the free market bro! What? you scared of competition?" , again MAGAts will never hold that position(conservatives might), and would call for law enforcement to crack down on that shit.

I think we should reform the police so they only enforce laws against non-Whites.

Fucking racist

 

[moocow]

And another saying 'sue them' for false arrests. hahhahahah, these people.

Wow, you are quite the little bitch, aren't you?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Anyone that thinks dropped 'arrests' doesn't count against them IRL is a fool. Insane fool. wtf really on that. Gotta $$$$$$$ to expunge them, and even then it's out there still.

Maybe don't break the law and you won't have any problems?

lol, maybe if you have some chicken shit job where all you need is a pulse. But most background checks for any legit job will kick on be charged. I implore you, look into this a little bit, you aren't unreasonable. you hear people throw around "the process is the punishment".. that's what it means. well, one of the things, they will try to bankrupt you, but dirtying you up is part of it too.

In some states, it is illegal for employers to consider arrests that do not lead to convictions. It's actually a crime for an employer to discriminate against you in that circumstance. If you live in a state where employers use an arrest without a conviction to screw you, then you have a point and that is indeed wrong. However, mlanguishi is getting MATI and I'm enjoying it.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

enjoy the rainbow sticker since @Null won’t add a “homosexual content” rating

wtf fuck you nigga, I am not gay just because all my posts involve some form of aggressive, hostile man-on-man sodomy.

lol, maybe if you have some chicken shit job where all you need is a pulse. But most background checks for any legit job will kick on be charged

Only a theft charge if you want to get into finance. Or I guess a DUI if you want to drive a school bus or some commercial vehicle. I can't imagine Microsoft or something is like "Uhhhhh sorry you had a traffic violation? Sorry, el evil man. No job for you." Then again - If you get falsely charged as a pedophile hyper rapist who assaults niggas on the daily, maybe, like, you need some self-introspection.

 

[mlanguishi]

Maybe don't break the law and you won't have any problems?

Hahah, yeah, arrest is a conviction to your types I guess, so gotta stick. Or no, you thought they don't stick if case is dropped right? So either you're ignorant or stupid.

Idiots don't know that dismissed charges with arrests still 'stick' very hard until you go through a totally different process of sealing and expunging which is time consuming and expensive.

But nobody on here works a real job anyway or ever will i guess

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I'm sure we can all count on getting due process and a fair trial, just like the J6ers!