🦊 Furry Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Pointless Pedant]

Trust me, it does. A lot of older furs who were a part of the "first generation" have left the public fandom for exactly this reason, myself, partner, and most of our friends included.

When did the first generation end and the degeneracy involving soiled nappies, Nazis, and paedophilia begin?

 

[Super Collie]

When did the first generation end and the degeneracy involving soiled nappies, Nazis, and paedophilia begin?

Somewhere around 10-15 years after the formation of the fandom online. FurAffinity is a pretty good turning point for when things began to go south. FA was to the furry fandom what DeviantArt is to virtually everything else.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Somewhere around 10-15 years after the formation of the fandom online. FurAffinity is a pretty good turning point for when things began to go south. FA was to the furry fandom what DeviantArt is to virtually everything else.

When did the fandom form online? Where did people go before FurAffinity?

 

[Field Marshal Crappenberg]

DenFur (originally Mile High Fur Con) will replace RMFC starting in 2018.
https://www.denfur.co/ | https://archive.is/1ZQAP

Ponyville Bronies LLC is the parent organization of RMFC, two brony cons, and an anime con. So bronies will be overseeing a furry con. TrebleVandoren (archive) is the chairman of RMFC. He also runs the aforementioned two brony cons, AND is a/the business manager for Lemonbrat, a company that produces a very wide range of furry/animal-themed accessories and clothes, fursuit heads and parts, and more recently furry porn. I do not know how he can properly oversee four projects that seem to me to be full-time obligations.


On a completely different note, a batshit crazy guy in a "full-body animal suit" and "grey hedgehog onsie" was apparently upset with the way the government thinks about black holes and other astronomical phenomenon, and he decided to remedy his grievances by making a false explosive vest out of chocolate bars and wires and threatening to blow himself up at a Baltimore TV station. Somehow he didn't die when he refused to cooperate with police and was shot multiple times.

https://www.flayrah.com/6551/man-an...te-bomb-vest-shot-police-baltimore-tv-station
https://archive.is/PI6AF

This happened a year ago actually, but I just came upon it while researching on an unrelated matter and I don't see it posted here. There are many links to developments in the article.

 

[Super Collie]

When did the fandom form online? Where did people go before FurAffinity?

The fandom formed online with the advent of the internet, around 1995 is when sites when VCL started to appear. As for where the fandom came from, there was always a minor interest in anthro/"funny" animals and there were minor conventions predating the web. Once these gatherings made the switch to the World Wide Web many more new furs came on board thanks to newsgroups and chat rooms.

 

[Field Marshal Crappenberg]

Ponyville Bronies LLC is the parent organization of RMFC

I meant to say, Ponyville Bronies LLC is the parent organization of the new furry con, DenFur. My apologies to the bronies over there for accidentally insulting them.

When did the fandom form online? Where did people go before FurAffinity?

The fandom formed online with the advent of the internet, around 1995 is when sites when VCL started to appear.

I remember when VCL and FurNation were the go-to places for furry artwork online- as little of it as there was. It was also common for furries to go to the personal art websites of a few premier furry artists such as Michele Light and Terrie Smith and to order prints of their work. Nowadays artists usually put all of their stuff on their interactive galleries, thus artwork in high definition on demand for free is the status quo. Physical media is still made and sold but is far from standard and indispensable now. And furrydom now has many, MANY more artists.

 

[Trilby]

Trust me, it does. A lot of older furs who were a part of the "first generation" have left the public fandom for exactly this reason, myself, partner, and most of our friends included.

Sometimes growing out of it can be healthy.

When did the fandom form online? Where did people go before FurAffinity?

I'm sure it would've gone back to the days of BBS's and all that, of course before the internet, the only other way you knew someone had the same interest as you in this sort of thing was through cons, fanzines or APA's.

 

[Reynard]

I wonder how a well adjusted person ends up being a furry. It isn't :autism:, because otherwise they'd have been gleefully participating in RainFurrest and acting as badly as we've come to expect.

I know one who says he thinks one of the reasons he's stayed is because observing the drama can be entertaining. Other than that, they probably simply find the idea of anthropomorphic animals interesting.

Even if they liked the concept, you'd think the general grossness of some of the participants would put them off.

It has easily done that with plenty of people. I think others have tried to improve the fandom's image (to varying results, though nothing completely groundbreaking). Maybe others just don't care or keep away from those sorts of people. I simply don't associate with those ones and keep my distance. If I wasn't afraid of getting their attention or getting within ten feet of people wearing diapers in public, I'd probably call them out. It won't always work, but there are plenty of ones that are just average people with an odd hobby that are fun to spend time with. Or at least in my experience, but perhaps it's not too accurate because I'm rather picky about who I hang out with more than once.

 

[Field Marshal Crappenberg]

Soon after the firestorm over the letter from Scorch broke, a non-furry lawyer actually was informed of it and wrote a lengthy blog entry (archive) detailing his legal opinions of the letter and the SovCit ideology (he is not supportive of them), and his experience with/impression of furrydom since being noticed and appreciated for his blog post. He has said he's considering attending a furry con at the behest of some furries, and if he ever makes a fursona it would be a lawyer badger who has a fixation on alcohol.

My favorite quote of his is near the end:

"Furry Sovereign Citizens do not insist that their fursonas are their actually identities, which bums me out as I was really looking forward to seeing “BOOMER THE DOG, A FREE DOG OF THE LAND” on a legal pleading at some point."

He wrote a follow-up post (archive) the next day focusing mainly on the professional obligation of lawyers to not mistreat or poorly serve a client because of their lifestyle choices, circumstances, or any other traits. He also defended furries as being people like everyone else, and showed off pictures furries drew for him of his prospective fursona.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, no. I'm not about to be all "there's no sexual side it's a minority hur durr" but this is blatantly incorrect. The fandom doesn't have a deviancy issue, it has a self-policing issue which has allowed nasty shit to fester and grow unchecked resulting in things like Rainfurrest and Oklacon happening. There's no denying that there is a significantly greater sexual side to the fandom than there was 20 years ago, but it's not the sex itself that's the issue.

We've all heard this one before. We know. It's not that all furries are bad, it's just that 99% of them give the rest a bad name.

 

[AnOminous]

Soon after the firestorm over the letter from Scorch broke, a non-furry lawyer actually was informed of it and wrote a lengthy blog entry (archive) detailing his legal opinions of the letter and the SovCit ideology (he is not supportive of them), and his experience with/impression of furrydom since being noticed and appreciated for his blog post. He has said he's considering attending a furry con at the behest of some furries, and if he ever makes a fursona it would be a lawyer badger who has a fixation on alcohol.

My favorite quote of his is near the end:

"Furry Sovereign Citizens do not insist that their fursonas are their actually identities, which bums me out as I was really looking forward to seeing “BOOMER THE DOG, A FREE DOG OF THE LAND” on a legal pleading at some point."

He wrote a follow-up post (archive) the next day focusing mainly on the professional obligation of lawyers to not mistreat or poorly serve a client because of their lifestyle choices, circumstances, or any other traits. He also defended furries as being people like everyone else, and showed off pictures furries drew for him of his prospective fursona.

You're not helping.

 

[D.Va]

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[El Gato Grande]

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Some things should stay on the internet. Actually, some things shouldn't even be started at all.

 

[Super Collie]

We've all heard this one before. We know. It's not that all furries are bad, it's just that 99% of them give the rest a bad name.

I didn't say there was just a small minority making 99% look bad today. It's that it was that way 20 years ago, and because we didn't do our part in stomping this shit out when it was in its infancy now it's more of an issue of that "bad 1%" becoming about 75% of the fandom today. The fandom is garbage, and I'm with Trillby in that "growing out of it" can be a good thing.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I didn't say there was just a small minority making 99% look bad today. It's that it was that way 20 years ago, and because we didn't do our part in stomping this shit out when it was in its infancy now it's more of an issue of that "bad 1%" becoming about 75% of the fandom today. The fandom is garbage, and I'm with Trillby in that "growing out of it" can be a good thing.

Was this connected to social justice politics where "kinkshaming" is a sin on par with being a Holocaust camp guard?

 

[Super Collie]

Was this connected to social justice politics where "kinkshaming" is a sin on par with being a Holocaust camp guard?

Not entirely. Back in the day there were a lot of "feels good, man" types. I remember Lava Dome Five, a massive website for furry feet fetish, was online 20 years ago. There was also Macrophile.com, and some website for vore whose name I forgot, plus another for inflation that I've also forgotten the name of. It's just that no one batted an eye because we were just "you do you" and ignored it.

There was historically some blowback against fetish stuff in the fandom (such as our response to the Vanity Fair article about that Fox Galen plushie creep), but a lot of anti-kink sentiment lost steam when the Burned Furs (the people kind of spearheading the movement) started spouting out homophobic trash which most people disagreed with.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Not entirely. Back in the day there were a lot of "feels good, man" types. I remember Lava Dome Five, a massive website for furry feet fetish, was online 20 years ago. There was also Macrophile.com, and some website for vore whose name I forgot, plus another for inflation that I've also forgotten the name of. It's just that no one batted an eye because we were just "you do you" and ignored it.

There was historically some blowback against fetish stuff in the fandom (such as our response to the Vanity Fair article about that Fox Galen plushie creep), but a lot of anti-kink sentiment lost steam when the Burned Furs (the people kind of spearheading the movement) started spouting out homophobic trash which most people disagreed with.

Especially given that some of the Burned Furs are in Foxler's posse and are therefore lolcows in their own right.

So was the growth of perversion in the fandom not connected to modern progressivism?

 

[Super Collie]

Especially given that some of the Burned Furs are in Foxler's posse and are therefore lolcows in their own right.

Exactly. They torpedoed any semblance of credibility they had when they turned homophobic (which let's face it, there's a LOT of gay men in the fandom). Burned Furs tried to come back as Burned Furs II and are now known as Improved Anthropomorphics, but the damage has been done. Their reputation is irrecoverable -- especially with many of them being involved with Foxler's posse -- and the fandom itself is in a state beyond repair.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Exactly. They torpedoed any semblance of credibility they had when they turned homophobic (which let's face it, there's a LOT of gay men in the fandom). Burned Furs tried to come back as Burned Furs II and are now known as Improved Anthropomorphics, but the damage has been done. Their reputation is irrecoverable -- especially with many of them being involved with Foxler's posse -- and the fandom itself is in a state beyond repair.

Do you think the fandom will die down in size over the years from its terrible reputation, or will creeps keep the numbers steady?

 

[Super Collie]

Do you think the fandom will die down in size over the years from its terrible reputation, or will creeps keep the numbers steady?

Autism knows no bounds. Furry has become a "mainstream" sort of thing, similar in extent to Star Wars just minus the pandering from mainstream media. People know what "furries" are, and there are entire companies employing more than just a couple of people whose existence is rooted firmly in the fandom (e.g. Bad Dragon). Unlike bronies, which is restricted to a specific show/fandom, furry has no delineations between what is and isn't accepted. There will always be anthropomorphic movies and cartoons, ergo there will always be plenty of rule 34 bait. Today it's Zootopia. 10 years ago it was Krystal. 20 years ago it was Star Fox. 30 years ago it was Robin Hood.

It would be nice to see the fandom contract and shed a lot of this gross weight that it has, but furry is too trendy for that to happen.