Law 4chan and Kiwi Farms Sue the UK Over its Age Verification Law - The notorious troll sites filed a lawsuit in U.S. federal court as part of a fight over the UK's Online Safety Act.

https://www.404media.co/4chan-and-kiwi-farms-sue-the-uk-over-its-age-verification-law/
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26076733-govuscourtsdcd28421810-1/

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4chan and Kiwi Farms sued the United Kingdom’s Office of Communications (Ofcom) over its age verification law in U.S. federal court Wednesday, fulfilling a promise it announced on August 23. In the lawsuit, 4chan and Kiwi Farms claim that threats and fines they have received from Ofcom “constitute foreign judgments that would restrict speech under U.S. law.”

Both entities say in the lawsuit that they are wholly based in the U.S. and that they do not have any operations in the United Kingdom and are therefore not subject to local laws. Ofcom’s attempts to fine and block 4chan and Kiwi Farms, and the lawsuit against Ofcom, highlight the messiness involved with trying to restrict access to specific websites or to force companies to comply with age verification laws.

The lawsuit calls Ofcom an “industry-funded global censorship bureau.”

“Ofcom’s ambitions are to regulate Internet communications for the entire world, regardless of where these websites are based or whether they have any connection to the UK,” the lawsuit states. “On its website, Ofcom states that ‘over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act—from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum.’”

Both 4chan and Kiwi Farms are notorious online communities that are infamous for their largely anything-goes attitude. Users of both forums have been tied to various doxing and harassment campaigns over the years. Still, they have now become the entities fighting the hardest against the UK’s disastrous Online Safety Act, which requires websites and social media platforms to perform invasive age verification checks on their users, which often requires people to upload an ID or otherwise give away their personal information in order to access large portions of the internet. Sites that do not comply are subject to huge fines, regardless of where they are based. The law has resulted in an internet where users need to provide scans of their faces in order to access, for example, certain music videos on Spotify.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has said the Online Safety Act “is a threat to the privacy of users, restricts free expression by arbitrating speech online, exposes users to algorithmic discrimination through face checks, and leaves millions of people without a personal device or form of ID excluded from accessing the internet.”

Ofcom began investigating 4chan over alleged violations of the Online Safety Act in June. On August 13, it announced a provisional decision and stated that 4chan had “contravened its duties” and then began to charge the site a penalty of £20,000 (roughly $26,000) a day. Kiwi Farms has also been threatened with fines, the lawsuit states.

"American citizens do not surrender our constitutional rights just because Ofcom sends us an e-mail. In the face of these foreign demands, our clients have bravely chosen to assert their constitutional rights," Preston Byrne, one of the lawyers representing 4chan and Kiwi Farms, told 404 Media.

"We are aware of the lawsuit," an Ofcom spokesperson told 404 Media. "Under the Online Safety Act, any service that has links with the UK now has duties to protect UK users, no matter where in the world it is based. The Act does not, however, require them to protect users based anywhere else in the world.”

Update: This story has been updated with a comment from Ofcom.
 
Don't worry though guys I am white
I believe the traditional cry in reply to that is, "post hands."
"Autistic websites reprimanded for not being autistic enough."
There are depths of autism to the UK legal system especially when involving entities like Ofcom that are beyond compare. Think of it as the inversion to the stereotypical planes of madness where normal rules are so non-existent that even gravity itself can be trusted. Instead this is a world where gravity does apply to a specific universal standard and actions like hopping require a precise and exacting calculation of exactly how high you plan to jump, how much you weigh, how much every item you have on your person weighs, the structural soundness of the ground beneath you, predicted decibel measurement of the activity, surrounding locations that might be impacted by that, written consent from three doctors that you face no risk by doing this and I am bored of the joke but these fucks will not be.
 
I believe the traditional cry in reply to that is, "post hands."

There are depths of autism to the UK legal system especially when involving entities like Ofcom that are beyond compare. Think of it as the inversion to the stereotypical planes of madness where normal rules are so non-existent that even gravity itself can be trusted. Instead this is a world where gravity does apply to a specific universal standard and actions like hopping require a precise and exacting calculation of exactly how high you plan to jump, how much you weigh, how much every item you have on your person weighs, the structural soundness of the ground beneath you, predicted decibel measurement of the activity, surrounding locations that might be impacted by that, written consent from three doctors that you face no risk by doing this and I am bored of the joke but these fucks will not be.
From the sound of things they are in for a rude culture shock if they try and fight this out. To be sure the US Courts are very similar in their love of archaic traditions and procedure, but it all tends to be based around codified and written law. The written constitution itself, the laws written on that authority, and the courts written rulings in applying those laws to the case at hand. The judges dont have quite as much leeway as they might have in the UK too get creative, despite all the bitching about activist judges in the States, and while the rules can be complicated they are not inaccessible and even retards like Russel Greer are able to inexplicably prosecute cases.
 
Not to derail the thread, and I can't speak for everyone in Britain but just for me and the people around me I have spoken to there is a weird feeling in the air right now. It's like a heat that was slowly rising but is now getting dangerously close to the boiling point. I don't think it's gonna be revolution or some larp shit like that, but it feels like we're gonna see something big happen soon. Only other time I've felt like this is those quiet moments in a gym changing room before you know you're about to fight someone
What can non-Brits do to help?
 
"duties to protect UK users, no matter where in the world it is based"

wow I didn't know with one weird old trick sovereignty and jurisdiction could be completely disregarded like a dog dragging its ass on the carpet
"Protecting North Korean people from western misinformation" vibes

Can someone please do a deepdive into ofcom's history and who is pushing these laws?
 
"Protecting North Korean people from western misinformation" vibes

Can someone please do a deepdive into ofcom's history and who is pushing these laws?

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I tend to enjoy calling the local police departments faggots on twitter whenever they publicly crow about a hate speech arrest.
One of my favorites I keep seeing is responding to them pontificating about confiscating a butter knife or arresting a pensioner for spicy tweets with news articles of the crimes they're obviously failing to stop.

Their whole doing those stupid victory lap tweets is a demonstration of power, so stripping them of their dignity by pointing out their incompetence is the kind of shit that pisses them off quite bigly. Make no mistake, these fucks would jail you for dissent in a nanosecond if they thought they could, so infuriating them is your civic duty as an American.
 
posting this from my non-vpn'd uk ip address in full support because i have autism

keep hatin 'em. godspeed.
Most excellent.

Would it even really matter though that you're non-VPN'd (and I'm asking generally, not just to you)?

Null would be obliged to hand over server logs to the US government under a subpoena, and it would be courteous for him to hand it to our own government for a criminal investigation regarding a violation of our own laws, but if the british asked, are they even able to subpoena the site's server logs? I'd think not (though I could be incorrect, and I'd like someone smarter to correct me if so), and I'd think the only way for your IP to be leaked would be if someone maliciously attacked the site and was able to gain what's otherwise confidential information illegally.

This isn't to shit on your show of solidarity, by any means. Keep going without your VPN to flip off your useless tyrant king, but it would seem that they'd only be able to hit you if they either broke the law and hacked the site, or if they were "legally correct", and thought it possible to subpoena a foreign entity into their courts that have no jurisdiction over free american citizens.
 
Shit like this is why the UK needs to annexed by the USA & placed on the travel ban list until they're completely rid of all niggers, woke cuck and islamist inbred sandniggers.
 
I'm annoyed by them describing this as just about "age verification" laws, when it isn't, even though that's just one of the less onerous parts of this ridiculous law from a bunch of redcoated cucks we kicked out of this country centuries ago at gunpoint when they refused to quit shitting up the place with their tax stamps and other bullshit.

EVERY SINGLE SITE, even a site about hamsters, would have to present a comprehensive plan about how they intend to address "safety" concerns about no less than 130 "priority offences" (to use the cucked British spelling in the law), and regular reports on how they are executing this plan. That's just the "priority offences," which are so vaguely defined absolutely nobody could meet the requirement.

The only companies that could possibly meet these deranged Alice in Wonderland demands, or even generate the hundreds to thousands of pages a year of reports and plans and loicenses this would require would be vastly wealthy multinationals, and they'd be paying for Ofcom to suppress their competitors. This is how Ofcom funds itself, it "isn't part of the government," so the very industries it "regulates," read extorts, are where it gets its funds.

That's the whole real thing. This may be throwing all pretenses of free speech under the bus but it's largely for a corporation that disclaims it's the government to collect mountains of shekels for its own power, so long as it also enforces a protection and censorship racket for the corrupt UK government.

This is not just an "age verification" statute by any means. This is a comprehensive (albeit blindingly retarded and ineffectual) attempt to establish control over the entire Internet.

They will never stop doing this, even if the current attempt is pathetic enough that even we and 4chan can probably turn it back at least with THIS specifically idiotic attempt.

At least in the U.S. A lot of the rest of you in even shittier countries may be fucked.
Null would be obliged to hand over server logs to the US government under a subpoena, and it would be courteous for him to hand it to our own government for a criminal investigation regarding a violation of our own laws, but if the british asked, are they even able to subpoena the site's server logs? I'd think not (though I could be incorrect, and I'd like someone smarter to correct me if so), and I'd think the only way for your IP to be leaked would be if someone maliciously attacked the site and was able to gain what's otherwise confidential information illegally.
They possibly could, and if it were an undisputed crime like murder or terrorism, it's entirely possible a U.S. court would issue such a subpoena. They would have to go through the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT) process repeatedly cited in the complaint, which I've attached to this post. It's only 22 pages but it explains all this stuff.

And keep track of the docket here: https://ia801004.us.archive.org/31/items/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218/gov.uscourts.dcd.284218.1.0.pdf

It's free and almost certainly going to be updated within minutes of anything actually happening.

Also as a postscript, people have pointed out the immediate mistake in filing a complaint without including the licenses of the plaintiffs (but only after the court itself noticed it). Embarrassing, but easily fixed. This is due to a Local Rule of the D.C. District Court itself.

It was fixed on the very same day. Remember, always read the Local Rules, especially when the entire Internet is watching the docket. Your enemies love to see you with your drawers down, and I routinely mock things like this myself.
 

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They will never stop doing this,
And the tree of liberty always must be watered with the blood of tyrants. Every time that beast rears its own head, we good free men ought strike it off. Every time. It will come again, and again and again until god himself and his own son return to silence it.
They possibly could, and if it were an undisputed crime like murder or terrorism
And it is not at this time. For we chop off the head of the tyrant each time it rears, and not in general. Here then particularly, they have no grounds of that matter by our own most excellent law. And a website does not commit murder nor terrorism, and I do not believe it in the interests of our good null to even permit that with his regulation of "look not touch" etc. Nor do I think any good american man who simply wishes to speak freely intends to do murder nor terrorism by our own most excellent and divine law. A right minded man in our republic should know that there is no need for this, for our republic does the will of the people, even when it is a bit off-kilter.

What I would say is that a state like the united kingdom, those suffering under the tyranny of their crown from george III to the most recent chuck they have, are neither a republic nor a successful nation. They are a country that, in their whole lot, measure up merely to the great state of mississippi, which is 49th in all matters, and in the delta, is not much different than our child liberia.

So when it is that some foreign hovel with a tyrant would say men in the most exceptional and great model of a nation on god's own earth would say we ought not speak our minds according to our own most excellent constitution, so say it be by the fiat of their tyrant king, then by god the treaty that binds them isn't MLAT but paris.
 
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