💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

So, for the science, my point is simply that nobody seems to know exactly what it is that is female in a trans person. Sex markers exist literally down to the bone. The “trans brain” is unproven and highly dubious. Trans people over and over again demonstrate personalities typical of their birth sex. So what is it that we’re correcting towards? Their souls?
If there really were male and female brains why hasn't anyone properly explained the difference between the two? What is a woman's brain programed to do? Its crazy to me that TRAs have created this scenario where they say "If makeup and dresses make trans women happy because it affirms their gender identity then they are women" but if I asked them "What about that gay guy that likes makeup and dresses but still claims to be a guy?" they then argue "Makeup and dresses aren't women exclusive things and its homophobic to claim that gay guy is a girl because of it". So then how the fuck can you claim a guy getting off on wearing dresses and makeup affirms his identity if you just said those things aren't women exclusive? This is what frustrates me with TRAs, they want to have their cake and eat to. Nobody can question if there's a contradiction because "Gender isn't a binary thing" and the only evidence is this idea that nobody would lie about being trans...except when its someone who makes the community look bad then "They weren't true trans"
 
If there really were male and female brains why hasn't anyone properly explained the difference between the two? What is a woman's brain programed to do? Its crazy to me that TRAs have created this scenario where they say "If makeup and dresses make trans women happy because it affirms their gender identity then they are women"
For the most part trannies want gender to be another kind of expression that anyone can adopt. Anything else is "transmedicalist". They want this so they don't have to hide behind anything at all to defend their bullshit.
 
Their entire argument is nonsensical. Troons will insist, "Gender are sex are totally different. Now let my gender grant me access into the bathrooms without urinals." The whole brain/body mismatch thing falls apart immediately if one thinks about it for more than a few seconds.
 
I'm sorry for being irrational before. I am still trying to process things, and I've been going through a lot IRL. I feel like I'm stuck between two sides, and I can't really fit in either. I really just want people to understand what I'm going through and that I might be kind of retarded because of it.
I don't know if I can accept my friend being trans and it really bites me. I'm not that socially progressive, I don't know. I feel like if we lesbians/bis are told to transition because we're too "masc" to be women that sets a horrible precedent. I'm sure people here will agree, but I again don't care about gender roles or anything of that sort. I just want to be tortured until I can think normally and be able to participate in society as a functional human being that respects everyone like I'm supposed to. I want to cut myself until I become normal (I won't dont worry). I want to be brainwashed until my TERFy thoughts come out of me.
I can't see MtFs as women, so why should I see FtMs as men? Earlier I tried respecting "femtanyl"'s pronouns and it felt like my stomach was turning into knots. That's not a fucking woman, they've been on estrogen for less than I've been into MCR. That's an attempt at a woman, and even if it's ok to try it's important to make a distinction. I don't care what they do to themselves because it's their lives. I oddly can't say this same mindset for pooners, and I can't explain why. Maybe it's my friend (and others I knew) driving me into this wedge, where it's like seeing someone give up on being my sex just feels offensive. It hurts more after seeing some Reddit posts where Ftms actually do basically look like men, like all my lez friends might end up like that in the near future, top surgery scars and all
I can't solve all of society's problems. It makes me mad that I can't even help my friends escape this, because this really is just something they commit to on their own. I don't want to see this thing normalized. I don't know what to do, and I feel like I have no voice. Other women tend to be neutral, not really caring or acknowledging it as a problem. Maybe I'm too alarmist
I don't want a world of "Trans equality," I want a world that realizes mental health is important and that transing out is often a form of self harm and a sunk cost fallacy wrapped into one. I want a world that helps people come to terms with how things actually are, and lets people make the most of it. I want a world where my friend's friend never killed themselves, but got the help they needed.
TLDR: I want to end it all because of pooners
 
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Dems are getting behind Gavin Newsom early, despite him being "anti-trans," because he denounced FTMs in sports.

The moderate group Third Way also put out a list of words and phrases Dems need to stop using, which includes a bunch of nonsense that troons inserted into the lexicon like "cisgender," "deadnaming," "pregnant people," and "chest feeder."

This isn't enough to make me vote Democrat, but it gives me hope that the tide is (finally!) turning against troons.
 
I'm sorry for being irrational before. I am still trying to process things, and I've been going through a lot IRL. I feel like I'm stuck between two sides, and I can't really fit in either. I really just want people to understand what I'm going through and that I might be kind of retarded because of it.
I don't know if I can accept my friend being trans and it really bites me. I'm not that socially progressive, I don't know. I feel like if we lesbians/bis are told to transition because we're too "masc" to be women that sets a horrible precedent. I'm sure people here will agree, but I again don't care about gender roles or anything of that sort. I just want to be tortured until I can think normally and be able to participate in society as a functional human being that respects everyone like I'm supposed to. I want to cut myself until I become normal (I won't dont worry). I want to be brainwashed until my TERFy thoughts come out of me.
I can't see MtFs as women, so why should I see FtMs as men? Earlier I tried respecting "femtanyl"'s pronouns and it felt like my stomach was turning into knots. That's not a fucking woman, they've been on estrogen for less than I've been into MCR. That's an attempt at a woman, and even if it's ok to try it's important to make a distinction. I don't care what they do to themselves because it's their lives. I oddly can't say this same mindset for pooners, and I can't explain why. Maybe it's my friend (and others I knew) driving me into this wedge, where it's like seeing someone give up on being my sex just feels offensive. It hurts more after seeing some Reddit posts where Ftms actually do basically look like men, like all my lez friends might end up like that in the near future, top surgery scars and all
I can't solve all of society's problems. It makes me mad that I can't even help my friends escape this, because this really is just something they commit to on their own. I don't want to see this thing normalized. I don't know what to do, and I feel like I have no voice. Other women tend to be neutral, not really caring or acknowledging it as a problem. Maybe I'm too alarmist
I don't want a world of "Trans equality," I want a world that realizes mental health is important and that transing out is often a form of self harm and a sunk cost fallacy wrapped into one. I want a world that helps people come to terms with how things actually are, and lets people make the most of it. I want a world where my friend's friend never killed themselves, but got the help they needed.
TLDR: I want to end it all because of pooners
It took you a while but I kinda caught on you were literally struggling with this in real time. It's very hard for alot of people to fully grasp the true horror of this industry unless it hits a close friend or family member.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking that feeding into this shit is respectful, that's what they want you to think. They will drag you through the mud with emotional blackmail until you affirm their delusions or walk away. A true act of love and respect would be to pull them out of the sinkhole rather than let them drown.

These people won't look out for themselves so it falls upon us poor bastards to try and pull them out. We can't save everyone but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, especially when they're walking face-first into a meatgrinder.
 
respects everyone like I'm supposed to
Who told you that you had to respect everyone to be a good person? You don't have to respect everyone, you only need to find what you will or won't respect in people. It's okay, you'll be okay, and what was causing you to recoil with your stomach twisting in knots was your brains disgust factor kicking in. From what you have said you are currently experiencing cognitive dissonance from seeing reality as it as compared to how trans rights were portrayed to you.
 
My family used to joke about the fact that when my grandma would see The Moonies come to her door, her eyes would get wide she'd grab a broom and chase them away.

I just saw it as a funny 'old people be crazy' anecdote, but whenever I see a troon now I absolutely understand why she acted the way she did, that combination of disgust and "this person is in a fucked up cult" Unlike grandma I've actually had to deal with the cult in question, but despite this I can't openly chase them away with a broom like her... At least not literally, as much as I'd like to.
 
TLDR: I want to end it all because of pooners
I just wanna say, I really commend they way you've been struggling through all this. Even though you disagree plenty with many of the people here, you're making a very solid attempt to reckon with the thoughts in your head and find voices to reconcile them against, no matter how ugly they are, and I just wanna say I really appreciate the diligence that takes.
 
They aren't trying to dominate you, they just want to live their lives. Making them out to be a threat helps no one but your paranoid delusions
They "just want to live their lives" in a way that forces societal upheaval, demands I participate in their delusion, and penalizes me when I opt to remain tethered to reality. I've been banned from multiple message boards that I had decades old accounts on, in great standing, because I refused to refer to troons as women.

I'll never cosign predatory men as having a right to invade women's spaces. What I am saying is the most basic truth about our species, which must be recognized to safeguard women, and I'm removed from social discourse if I don't play ball and lie about it.

They aren't trying to dominate, they are, and they're not just a threat, but a real, actualized harm. These aren't paranoid delusions when boys dominate girl's sports, male rapists are in women's prisons, and troons purity test every group to oust the dissenters for wrongspeak. The idea of "trans" has threatened the foundation of our society because we're replacing objective truth with subjective feeling, i.e., fucking nothing.
Misgendering someone is a form of harassment, regardless of what you might think about it
This is the type of heavy-handed, authoritarian ruling that I'm speaking out against. "Misgendering" is a linguistic sleight-of-hand to shame people for correctly stating one's sex, i.e., speaking the truth. I'd encourage you to reconsider whether your statement above is true and also if your stance is reasonable.
For example, ftms are always seen as much less threatening than cis men within the friend groups I'm in. I would say that it might be because women are stereotypically seen as that, but I'm not sure.
It's because they need to lie to pretend there's an actual difference between "cis men" (not a real thing) and "trans-women" (not a real thing). It distracts you with language so you don't realize you're talking about the same group. Well, the same meaning they're both men, so neither should be in women's spaces. But "trans-women" are actually in prison for sex crimes at a much higher rate than regular male prisoners. The men who won't respect women's boundaries are more dangerous to women, not less.
I also disagree with other posts here, I do think trans people improve emotionally from transitioning at least from what my trans friends have told me
But they haven't "transitioned" to anything. They're simply men who've gotten what they want. A girl begrudgingly doing anal might improve her boyfriend's mood, but he's still a POS if he coerces her into it when she doesn't like it. Rewarding people with harmful shit can often improve them emotionally, but it's not ethical.

I also don't care if they'd all off themselves without access to women's spaces. It's not on women to give up their rights to men, nor on society to become a doormat for narcissistic men. For confused younger people, I have much more empathy and understanding.
I don't want a world of "Trans equality," I want a world that realizes mental health is important and that transing out is often a form of self harm and a sunk cost fallacy wrapped into one. I want a world that helps people come to terms with how things actually are, and lets people make the most of it. I want a world where my friend's friend never killed themselves, but got the help they needed.
Agreed. We all want this on the Farms. This is why it's frustrating for us hearing accusations of "misgendering" and tales of how "transitioning" helped someone. Nobody has been "misgendered" and no "transition" has occurred. By using their language, we're forced to legitimize nonsense and argue from a position we know we aren't at. When we're forced to play by the anti-reality rules that treat make-believe as indelible truth, we can't reach the world that actually provides help.
It doesn't matter if you feel like shit, as long as others feel happy around you. This is called being a good person
No, this is how you wind up becoming a doormat. Good people get taken advantage of all the time. And recognizing when a situation is unfair for you is a great skill to develop. What if you heard someone tell your friend, "It doesn't matter if you feel like shit as long as I'm happy." I doubt you'd think that's okay, dude. It's not okay for you, either. And good friends would be mortified to hear you'd been enduring pain for their comfort. Only toxic abusers would enjoy that revelation.

Please don't condition yourself to believe its your responsibility to endure hardship so others can be happy. I promise, you will have a very miserable existence if you learn to set yourself on fire to keep others warm.
I can think normally and be able to participate in society as a functional human being that respects everyone like I'm supposed to.
You aren't supposed to respect everyone, though. While humans naturally prioritize social cohesion and conflict avoidance (women especially), these are tools that can be massively exploited by bad actors. "Trans" ideology is the worst actor of all. Not only is it foundational on lying about what's right in front of you, it tells you that you're a disrespectful, evil monster for prioritizing truth.

You know it's not true when a man says he's a woman. You know they're lying. Be honest with yourself: is someone who pressures you to lie about something showing you respect? No. And I don't find it respectful to lie to others, either. They can put lots of pressure on you, ostracize you, and call you bigoted and cruel. They'll even emotionally blackmail you, using tragedies like suicide to control your speech and behavior. These people are evil. Do not let them divorce you from recognizing what is true and openly stating it.
As opposed to letting them live on with untreatable gender dysphoria?!
This is a great example of why we hate this ideology-it's built on a foundation of lies! It takes advantage of our natural empathy and kindness by emotional manipulation. "If you affirm them as their 'true' gender, you'll make a world of difference." So how could we not?

Reality: the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" quite literally is what causes the harm. Did you know they actually discovered a treatment with upwards of an 80-90% success rate? No shit, they've replicated these findings across a dozen studies with different demographics by unaffiliated researchers. But they never, ever tell the public about this. Do you know what it is? GOING THROUGH THEIR NATURAL PUBERTY! Gender-related distress will alleviate for around 80% of pre-teen children once they become teenagers

Many Farmers started off respecting pronouns, giving up a bit of comfort to help those in need, etc. We now see this ideology for what it is and refuse to play. Their manipulation knows no end and you'll always be forced to keep walking on egg shells, morphing to fit their next unreasonable demand. You are not the weird one for noticing. And you aren't a dick head for adhering to reality. You are sane and rational.

Join us.
 
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It doesn't matter if you feel like shit, as long as others feel happy around you. This is called being a good person
No, this is toxic positivity and is incredibly mentally corrosive (both the person engaging in it and the people they're trying to "help" with it). As you are no doubt aware, given what you've said subsequently.
 
Trans people: You can't talk about trans people until you've listened to our experiences first.

Parents: Okay, well, we had this kid for a few years before he got to your classroom. Mind listening to our experiences as his parent?

Trans people: You just wouldn't get it, and you're probably transphobes if you don't let your kid transition. He's a she now, by the way.

Parents: Oh, so I have to listen to your experiences and trust and believe them, but if we have kids, we must automatically surrender them to you without you having to listen to us first?

Trans people: Well, we're marginalized, so pretty much.
 
Anyone defending trannies with the logic of "Transition can make people happier" should remember that lobotomies went on for decades because people also thought lobotomies made patients happier. The patients seemed happier, because the insides of their brains were scrambled in a way that reverts them back to a young childlike state of mental retardation. It just goes to show that what's happening on the surface isn't the full story.

Lobotomies also made women fat for some reason, but I forgot why - I think it was because of a lack of impulse control or something. Ironically, pooning out also makes women fat.

Here are some happy lobotomy patients:
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I feel like I'm stuck between two sides, and I can't really fit in either.
That's many of us. But ironically the "disgusting and hateful" kiwifarmers are here to have a discussion and will advise you. The troons and poons want to bully you. They won't accept any compromise, so they happily make the choice for you.
Reality: the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria" quite literally is what causes the harm. Did you know they actually discovered a treatment with upwards of an 80-90% success rate? No shit, they've replicated these findings across a dozen studies with different demographics by unaffiliated researchers. But they never, ever tell the public about this. Do you know what it is? GOING THROUGH THEIR NATURAL PUBERTY! Gender-related distress will alleviate for around 80% of pre-teen children once they become teenagers
They won't talk about it because they still think puberty blockers are magical with 0 side effects. According to the tranny lobby, if 80% don't want to transition, then they can simply stop taking puberty blockers and no harm is done, but the other 20% can be "saved" and can be cute widdle girls free from stubble and baritone voices. This is of course false: Puberty blockers makes the kids literally retarded. The window of development passes and they miss out on a lot of important developments, including cognitive development.

Bringing up how successful puberty is at solving gender dysphoria won't convince them. You have to make it clear that puberty blockers are not harmless. They hurt both cis and trans people alike. But no one expects anything of trannies so long as they don't look like cavemen in a skirt so they're okay with being retarded.
Could anyone link me the 4chan screenshot with the anon talking about trannies "living rent-free in our heads" and how they're basically forcing themselves to be our problems and a movement based on lies. I'm too retarded to find it again.
I really wish there was a booru dedicated to 4chan greentexts.
 
One thing's that on been on my mind has been the question, how many people in the "trans community" are actually trans?

Considering the absolute shitfests over pride and the general entitled behaviour, I'm wondering how many of them are simply autogynephiliacs or sociopathic grifters. Like from what I understand, that Dick Cuntino guy or whatever the fuck his name was was already an established fraud before he found his current calling of "dressing up as a woman and shaming help staff on camera" schtick.

Like it isn't necessarily that they even lack self-awareness, it's just that they do not care because it's not actually their community. They just find it a union of convenience to advance their own self-centered ends. Even convincing some confused teenagers to transition isn't out of some misguided desire to help, it's just means to increase their numbers and keep the grift going.

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One thing's that on been on my mind has been the question, how many people in the "trans community" are actually trans?
None of them. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and basically a type of body dysmorphia. It doesn't matter if they're HSTS (what I'm assuming you're referring to as "true trans") or AGP. That's like asking, "How many anorexics are anorexic just because of mental illness, and how many are souls truly meant to be skeletons but are trapped inside flesh bodies?"
 
That sounds kind of reductive but I'm not trans what the fuck do I know
Look up Ray Blanchard's research. I also posted a really in-depth reply a while back about the harms of HRT for adult FTMs (and that's just for adult FTMs, there's more consequences for children and different consequences for MTFs). Puberty blockers stunt brain development. And just give the sex change thread a look. There will never be a way to give yourself functioning opposite sex genitals. MTF neovaginas are made out of colon tissue and leak shit, smelling like shit because they are not self-cleaning. FTM neodicks are arm skin folded into a cylinder and grafted onto your crotch, prone to rotting off. The whole entire field of "sexology" and "queer theory" was founded by literal pedophiles, like Alfred Kinsey, who ran an experiment on how young infants could orgasm. "The father of gender identity", John Money, made two twin brothers fuck each other, to try and see if he could make one trans, and both killed themselves.

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Just because you're not [insert group] doesn't mean you can't know anything about them or have an opinion on them. That's a liberal mindset. Gender transition is not healthy. Gender dysphoria is usually caused by trauma or porn addiction. And even if it's by trauma, that doesn't make one a "more acceptable true trans person". There are ways to deal with trauma and dysphoria other than transitioning.
 
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