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A good indicator that your website has been totally subverted by libtards and troons is that every trope about "polticial correctness" is on perma-lockdown.
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On another note, I think this is the only reference to Donald Trump winning 2024 on the entire website. It's impossible to ignore when it's the center of an entire episode of one of the most popular cartoons on TV.
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LightDragonman1 powiedział(a):
Seems to reflect why they consider a lot of older media that featured attractive action heroines to be, at best in their words, fair for their day.
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They probably use Buffy as a parameter for literally every kind of media there is, even though I can argue Buffy, the show and the character are pretty sexist on their own. That first paragraph, for example, is pretty ironic since Buffy has no muscles at all and is pretty short, yet can take men much taller and stronger than her.
 
Whore of Babylon 69 powiedział(a):
They probably use Buffy as a parameter for literally every kind of media there is, even though I can argue Buffy, the show and the character are pretty sexist on their own. That first paragraph, for example, is pretty ironic since Buffy has no muscles at all and is pretty short, yet can take men much taller and stronger than her.
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I've never even watched Buffy, and since it was made by Joss Whedon I never will. I wonder how many tropers have even bothered with it, since it's pretty uh, problematic by our modern standards.
 
Gondolindrim powiedział(a):
I've never even watched Buffy, and since it was made by Joss Whedon I never will. I wonder how many tropers have even bothered with it, since it's pretty uh, problematic by our modern standards.
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Lemme check, because I do know their obnoxious Buffy Speak page is still up, which means they're still attached enough to view things through that show's godawful writing. I'll type as I skim through pages.

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Well, here's one example of their double standards with this piece of shit.

Through a quick skim about his shows, they seem to brush over the actual problems with the ACTUAL sexism in the show (like with how Joss Whedon writes his self-insert, Xander, being mostly unpunished despite his creepy behavior and eventually marrying a girl way younger than him in the comics penned by Whedon), or they briefly mention the controversies in his own page, but then proceed to glaze his work.

However: I believe that there may be some dissonance between some of the tropers, because in some pages they are at least willing to point out some of the double-standards in that show, like here:
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And here:
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However, they still very much exaggerate how "good" Buffy is, and how important it was to television as a whole, because it "changed" the industry, which is just a blatant lie, y'know? If you check the numbers, the viewership of the show was always low compared to other much more popular series from that decade.

I'll quote a friend who's much smarter than me: " a lot of it is retroactive because the ratings were pretty consistently dogshit. Buffy and the network's reliance on teen pandering precipitated Tribune cutting WB programming from the WGN Superstation feed, which kneecapped their overall ratings by around 20%"

Here's a picture regarding scheduling for the show:
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(Source)

The color indicators show it lost out to the NBC Monday Movie and then Cybill on CBS, along with possibly reruns of Murphy Brown and Married with Children.

And if we look at the viewership numbers, here's where Buffy was on Nielsen Viewership from 1997, marked in yellow. (courtesy from a friend of a friend)
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So if you see a troper babbling about how important Buffy was due to viewership etc., they're either lying through their teeth or are that much gullible to believe a widespread lie.
 
Not a lot of people watched Buffy, but every woman who did got a masters degree in English and teaches at community college or a public university's Writing 101 section part time. So they have outsized influence on discourse and it magically becomes "feminist" even though Joss Whedon is a sex creep who can't write a woman that isn't a space whore, because all the people who talk about it are women who have to justify their entertainment choices with politics.

It's exactly the same sort of thing as Harry Potter - it's not good, but people with otherwise non "geek" tastes who might like the idea of scifi or fantasy entertainment are fascinated by it because it's the only genre thing they've ever been exposed to.
 
haunted vagina powiedział(a):
because all the people who talk about it are women who have to justify their entertainment choices with politics.
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Lots of womanchildren (or quirk chungus women) do that, because they really wanna be different, though in their chase for uniqueness they end up looking and acting the same, and they will keep doing this well into their 30's, having some sort of early onset mid-life crisis because they peaked in high school.

Most of them, and also a good chunk of male nerds, have watched Buffy or Harry Potter when they were older kids or young teens, which is a very impressionable age for too many people, so they are unable to grow out of it, and will keep finding new big words for their vocabulary to try and paint their favorite teen drama show as something on the level of high art/literature. I learned from talking with these people that nostalgia can be very dangerous if you don't temper yourself.
 
The greater a'tuin powiedział(a):
It is a fascinating look at the overton window how this guy was a legendary feminist just 20 years ago, but the current marxist cult retroactively discards his efforts as not good enough.
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I think people are more so pissed at Whedon for being a massive hypocrite, and arguably one of the blueprints for said marxist cult. If you watch Buffy or Firefly, you'll see so many preachy themes, male characters existing solely for "man bad" plotlines or to get mowed down by skinny one-dimension grrl pwrrrr characters, and lots of browbeating. He was influential enough to normalize shitty woke media and games like Ghostbusters 2016 and Dustborn.

Just so you know, there are entire episodes of Firefly dedicated to this sort of shit, like one episode where the populus of a backwater planet somehow still is superstitious enough to believe in witches in a post-space travel era, just so Whedon can vent about "religion bad", and two whole episodes dedicated to "men bad", with one plot being about a rich asshole trying to get his heir from a bunch of prostitutes, and another being about another rich asshole trying to exert his authority over the main characters' luxury prostitute companion.

I know this because an annoying friend begged me to watch the "highly influential" and "extremely good" Firefly show, all 13 episodes and movie of it, and saw nothing but an overhyped and mediocre show that oddly glamorizes the CSA but in space, and not in a fun way like in Starcraft.
 
Whore of Babylon 69 powiedział(a):
They probably use Buffy as a parameter for literally every kind of media there is, even though I can argue Buffy, the show and the character are pretty sexist on their own. That first paragraph, for example, is pretty ironic since Buffy has no muscles at all and is pretty short, yet can take men much taller and stronger than her.
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At least the show did establish that Slayers are supposed to be magically enhanced to give them more physical power. I remember hearing once something like vampires are twice the strength of humans, and Slayers are twice as strong as that.

Whore of Babylon 69 powiedział(a):
However: I believe that there may be some dissonance between some of the tropers, because in some pages they are at least willing to point out some of the double-standards in that show, like here:
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Also not true! Angel dies! Like explicitly. (kind of)

Also double standard on that as they bring up "only male good guy to die (AND STAY DEAD)" because they list Buffy and she dies and comes back.
 
Flexo powiedział(a):
At least the show did establish that Slayers are supposed to be magically enhanced to give them more physical power. I remember hearing once something like vampires are twice the strength of humans, and Slayers are twice as strong as that.
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A random woman 4x stronger than the next woman would absolutely get ragdolled and tossed onto the roof by a vampire 2x as strong as a random man lol. Honestly I think a female slayer would still have difficulties with most random men.

You forgot to calculate in the power of believing in yourself tho
 
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