Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[obsdj]

This part seems like a misstep. Playing Greer's game, even arguendo, gives his bullshit more credit than it deserves and gives the court an excuse to consider said bullshit as if it had any validity when it doesn't. Not that it matters, because there's no way in hell the judges are going to agree to this motion. They can't be assed to take action on any of the other open matters, even the obviously stupid ones like Greer demanding a protective order.

I also love Greer's comment in ECF 353 at 3 that "this Court seems to rely heavily on precedent." No kidding?!

Right?! Most courts in Current Year America rely on examining the entrails of sacrificed animals to make their decisions, but oddly, bizarrely, the federal District Court of Utah relies on arcane rituals and eldritch voodoo like precedent, case law, and the rules of civil procedure. In theory, anyway.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

In none of Russell's rantings about the sanction does he mention the $225 offset, he speaks of having to afford the whole $1500 or please reduce back to $1000

My theory is that when he's finally forced to pay, he plans on sending the whole sanction just so Null has to send him back a check for the $225 that he can mount on the wall and point to as his winnings from kiwifarms

 

[analrapist]

In none of Russell's rantings about the sanction does he mention the $225 offset

I remember reading in emails between The Right Honorable Matthew Hardship and GREEEEEE from the $1000 era that Our Hardship mentioned the offset amount explicitly. Maybe some forum nerds here can reference this. But I don't think your outcome to be particularly likely.

 

[obsdj]

In none of Russell's rantings about the sanction does he mention the $225 offset

In ECF 349 (his motion to amend the order for $1500), he does say, “Defendants still have not paid the appeal award” which is what that refers to.

 

[DavidS877]

In ECF 349 (his motion to amend the order for $1500), he does say, “Defendants still have not paid the appeal award” which is what that refers to.

Way the fuck back in February ECF228 where Hardin sends his costs he states:

The District Court Judge then issues the $1000 sanction.
Then a few days later Hardin and Greeeeeee appear to come to an understanding.(233)

Then Green does withdraw the Debtors Exam motion at 248.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

In ECF 349 (his motion to amend the order for $1500), he does say, “Defendants still have not paid the appeal award” which is what that refers to.

But he DOESN'T say that will or should be subtracted from the $1500/1000.

He seems to still be using it as a "gotcha" as he likes to say, implying they have to pay him the $225 before he pays the full amount he owes them.

When he first started whining about the $225, people pointed out that he probably knew he's losing and wanted that check as a small victory he can point to and say he won, but then the sanction happened and Null denied Russell that small psychological satisfaction by deducting it from what Russ owes them (as Hardin said would happen) so that Russ will never get a cent from Null, just a little less of a hit to his wallet.

Hence why I suspect Russ wants to either get the $225 first or pay the full sanction and then get refunded the $225 just so he can have some small victory in this case and his miserable life

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Hence why I suspect Russ wants to either get the $225 first

He's desperately clutching at straws, so I think he will kvetch about getting the $225 up front as a hail Mary and refuse to pay anything until Null is sanctioned for non payment. He's erased any memory of the agreement to offset it against his own sanction.
He's been flailing (even by his standards) in his most recent filings and we haven't even made it to discovery yet.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

and we haven't even made it to discovery yet.

I expect Crusty's part of Discovery will be very short, since he has no actual evidence, and no witnesses.

 

[SteveGoatman]

I expect Crusty's part of Discovery will be very short, since he has no actual evidence, and no witnesses.

I'm just hoping it isn't the opposite where it's long, painful, and pointless as he flails about aimlessly because he has no actual evidence or witnesses....Because while it's generally funny to watch him fail spectacularly, this has gone on WAY too long.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I just became aware that nearly 5 months after the Florida case ended, the Judge there found out that Russ lied about his address. I don't think this was posted here. Wasn't on Courtlistener either. Updated.
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They also apparently asked the Magistrate to handle it. Not sure why this didn't appear when I made this post initially. The Magistrate wisely ignored this. I've updated Courtlistener.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

As I was saying,

When Russ inevitably fails to pay the sanction by this deadline, Hardin might find it useful to cite Russell's own motion in this very case bitching about Skordas, in which he proudly admits that when ordered to pay Skordas the exact same amount, $1,500, he refused to do so for over a year until Skordas had to send the police to his house, which can't be done in this case because Russell never gives a correct address, probably for this exact reason! And Russell even framed this as evidence against Skordas's character, because he believes an attorney EVER collecting an award from him is misconduct!

Also, because Russ's whole legal knowledge is "monkey see, monkey do" I suspect it is from Skordas that Russell learned fun words he used against Null like "debtor's examination"

 

[Sneed Force One]

As I was saying,

When Russ inevitably fails to pay the sanction by this deadline, Hardin might find it useful to cite Russell's own motion in this very case bitching about Skordas, in which he proudly admits that when ordered to pay Skordas the exact same amount, $1,500, he refused to do so for over a year until Skordas had to send the police to his house, which can't be done in this case because Russell never gives a correct address, probably for this exact reason! And Russell even framed this as evidence against Skordas's character, because he believes an attorney EVER collecting an award from him is misconduct!

Also, because Russ's whole legal knowledge is "monkey see, monkey do" I suspect it is from Skordas that Russell learned fun words he used against Null like "debtor's examination"

This strengthens my belief that we could see a dismissal.
I want Greer forced into giving the explanation the judge suggested, should he fail to pay.
I want to see the finest, most desperate plightsperging imaginable.

 

[obsdj]

They also apparently asked the Magistrate to handle it. Not sure why this didn't appear when I made this post initially. The Magistrate wisely ignored this. I've updated Courtlistener.

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What action would or could have been taken on that particular item?

 

[Billy Bong]

Finding the correct mailing address to properly send any future notices, so they do not get returned.
Finding out where he lives? Nah fuck it, send it back to Utah!

 

[Watching Rekieta]

They also apparently asked the Magistrate to handle it. Not sure why this didn't appear when I made this post initially. The Magistrate wisely ignored this. I've updated Courtlistener.

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Does federal court send court orders/entries by US Mail to Greer? At least in my state courts, the court mails minute entries by US Mail to pro se litigants even if they have ECR access. If mail is returned, it's entered into the docket and the clerk updates the caption with "No Valid Address" for that party. I don't think there are other penalties except missing a filing because of address change isn't an excuse. It's about a 4 week turnaround from court mailing to "return mail" docket entry.

My pet peeve is that there are at least 3 places a pro se litigant has to update addresses in my state court - all 3 are electronic (either e-mail or a web form. There is no way to check which address the court is using for mailing until they create the record/case caption that needs mailing. The mailing address associated with ECR access is not the one used by the court and there is no "Hey, your addresses don't match" check. Since I have ECR access, I saw the "returned mail" docket entry and updated but it was stupid busy work for both me and the multiple clerks that had to enter it in multiple places even though it was correct in the ECR tool.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Does federal court send court orders/entries by US Mail to Greer?

Florida did, but he got permission from Utah for them to email it to him. Problem is he doesn't read his emails

 

[AnOminous]

Florida did, but he got permission from Utah for them to email it to him. Problem is he doesn't read his emails

He reads them so he can decide whether or not he's going to lie about having read them.

 

[Al from Dadeville]

I still think Hardin should contact that postmaster and ask for a letter stating whether Greer’s address is a valid address. Could probably literally write the PM a letter and get a reply.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Friday August 15th will see a new Greer filing explaining why he won't pay. He will receive yet another final warning.

Russell Greer, you have the opportunity to make my day today.

 

[Bogliacci]

I still think Hardin should contact that postmaster and ask for a letter stating whether Greer’s address is a valid address. Could probably literally write the PM a letter and get a reply.

He'd actually have to go to the city to verify its not a real address.