“Political Loyalty” is a Nonsensical Concept

“Political Loyalty” is a Nonsensical Concept

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"Andrew Anglin" (Lagos Slave #27)
July 9, 2025
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Since the beginning of Donald Trump’s political career in 2015, “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) has been more than a slogan, and instead a concept that embodies a series of simple and easily understood principles about the problems facing America and the solutions to these problems. MAGA was never a specific series of policy proposals, as it was intended to be something bigger than any specific policy. It was a vision of a new America. While short on specifics, the vision was clear: the current establishment had wasted America’s wealth on foreign wars and domestic social engineering agendas that had hollowed out the nation. Though it was not theocratic or puritanical or otherwise moralizing, it was opposed to “weird stuff” which sought to undermine what were traditionally considered “American values,” and it was anti-immigration and anti-war. Again, it was never specific, but everyone definitely understood those three major cornerstones of the program. (It was also “anti-corruption,” though as no one is publicly “pro-corruption,” that is not a particularly meaningful position to take.)

During his first term, Trump failed to do much MAGA, but it was generally understood that he was trying to, but that the president simply doesn’t really have very much power in America. However, in these early months of his second term, Trump is not simply failing to live up to the ideals of MAGA, but is attempting to completely confuse the meaning of the term, attempting to convince his own followers that “MAGA” was never really what they thought it was.
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In a series of statements reminiscent of Anthony Fauci’s infamous pronunciation that “I am The Science,” Trump has recently claimed “I am MAGA,” and that he is the decider of what is or isn’t MAGA, and whatever new policies he decides on do not necessarily need to have any relationship to what was previously understood to be the MAGA political platform.

What he is effectively saying is that his political movement was always just about him as a person, and that anyone who ever supported MAGA was supporting him as a person. Therefore, anyone who disagrees with his totally new series of policies he has developed in recent weeks, most of which are the opposite of how MAGA had previously been defined, is not actually a believer in MAGA, because MAGA was never a series of policies, but instead an expression of loyalty to Donald Trump personally, and a pledge to support whatever it is he decides to do at any moment.

This situation is most brightly highlighted in the way Trump has dealt with Congressman Thomas Massie, who is, I would argue, the standard-bearer of the MAGA platform as it was initially introduced by Trump in 2015. Trump has claimed Massie is a traitor and vowed to destroy him. It is very obvious to everyone that Massie has not changed any of his positions on anything.
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In the most recent betrayal of the ideals that were sold as representing MAGA, Donald Trump has decided that he wants to continue the endless war in the Ukraine. While meeting with his handler and earthly master Bibi Netanyahu this week, Trump declared that there is no plan to cut any funding to the Ukraine, and he actually plans to increase weapons shipments.

Although it’s not totally clear what happened, it appears that last week, Pete Hegseth halted shipments of weapons to the Ukraine. During the questioning in front of his boss, Trump claimed he didn’t know who was responsible for canceling these weapons shipments, and asked the media to tell him who did it. (Hegseth was sitting directly to his left.) He then declared a planned increase in weapons.

Reporter: Who ordered the pause in weapons shipments to Ukraine?

Trump: “I don’t know. Why don’t you tell me?”

If Trump doesn’t know, who is running the country? pic.twitter.com/astMRRtVil

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) July 8, 2025


Following these statements, The Washington Post Editorial Board rushed to support Trump, publishing an op-ed praising his support for the Ukraine.
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I would not suppose that anyone who voted for Trump in any of his three elections ever expected that the WaPo Editorial Board would become the standard bearer of MAGA, but that is apparently precisely what has taken place.

Trump had previously claimed that involving the US in Israel’s war with Iran actually was in-line with MAGA policy, which was explicitly anti-war, because he wasn’t really doing a war, he was just doing a bombing.

In another betrayal, Trump’s AG, Pam Bimbo, has claimed that there isn’t actually an Epstein client list. I don’t know what that means and no one has explained it, but the implication apparently is that Epstein did not have any clients, and either no women were trafficked, or they were trafficked to no one.

Remember when the Trump admin kept promising to release the Epstein files? No? We’ve got you. Watch this supercut.

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— Zeteo (@zeteo_news) July 8, 2025


Though it is perhaps a slightly lesser offense to the MAGA agenda, which has never been particularly focused on fiscal responsibility, Trump has also this week moved to explode the national debt with the biggest spending bill in American history. What is most notable about this is that he vastly expanded military spending to the highest levels ever just weeks after claiming he was going to attempt to halve the military budget.

Trump said he would slash military spending, but just a few months into his second term, he proudly announced a one trillion dollar Pentagon budget.@ggreenwald on the Trump admin’s gift to the defense industry: pic.twitter.com/1lFMErnARb

— System Update (@SystemUpdate_) July 1, 2025


While “fiscal responsibility” might be slightly beyond the intellectual scope of MAGA, which has never been particularly sophisticated, “we’re going to stop wasting money on foreign wars and spend that money here at home where our country is falling apart” is definitely something we all understood to be core to the MAGA doctrine. Now, because MAGA has been redefined from a series of principles about how America should be run into “whatever Donald Trump says at whichever time he happens to be speaking,” the continuation of the Ukraine war, bombing countries for Israel, and spending the most money ever on war, all fall under the definition of “MAGA.”

A Test of the Limits of “Political Loyalty”​

“Loyalty” is a quality that should be explicitly reserved for personal relationships. A man should be loyal to his family. Loyalty to a political figure or a political movement should not be possible, as it serves no purpose.

To be loyal to someone means that you will stick by them whether they are right or wrong. The reason we are loyal to our families is that we need them to be loyal to us, because this is how humans survive. If people abandoned family members because they were wrong about something, we would all be completely alone. We have to take the good and the bad with family members, because we need them.

Loyalty also makes sense in military units. It could make sense in the context of various business relationships. And there are, I’m certain, other examples of where the behavioral quality of loyalty would or could be appropriate.

One place where loyalty is not appropriate is in politics. Being “loyal” to a political figure is nonsensical. The only reason any person would support any political figure is that that political figure is doing political things they agree with and that helps them and their personal agenda. There is no place at all for loyalty to a political figure, as you do not personally know the political figure, and therefore you do not owe personal allegiance. There is no mutuality at all. Either the political figure is promoting an agenda you agree with, and therefore you rally for them and defend them because you benefit, or they are doing something different, which you do not benefit from, in which case you owe them nothing.

What Trump has done with intention is form a kind of personality cult, where people feel that they know him, and therefore owe him some kind of personal loyalty outside of his role as a policy maker. This is something that is only really possible in the age of electronic media. Most people see Donald Trump speaking nearly every day, and their subconscious mind, which is not familiar with the nature of video screens, registers him as someone they know personally, and are regularly hanging out with socially. Such a person would be the kind of person you would owe a personal loyalty to, and whose mistakes you would overlook, at least until the point where they got completely out of control.

We are going to see the limits of the “loyalty” personality cult tested.

Clearly, the personality cult is not considered ironclad, in the way it would be with someone like Jim Jones, as there is understood to be a need for distractions. This week, Trump is covering up the series of betrayals with a Romanesque “cruelty circus,” sending immigrants to cages in an alligator swamp. The media that supports Trump will say “yeah so, I guess there never was an Epstein list, and yeah we’re just going to keep doing that Ukraine war forever apparently – now let’s go back to the scene of the alligator pit, where your tribal enemies, the immigrants, are going to be fed to large, nasty lizards.”

They will keep the circus distractions coming, I’m sure. But ultimately, there is going to be a strict math equation regarding how many people are willing to ignore the fact that Trump is abandoning most of the core of his platform, not only failing to do the things he promised to do, but telling people he never really cared about those things anyway.

It’s worth mentioning that people will continue supporting a political figure that fails if they feel he is trying his best, which is why Trump remained so popular after not doing very much the first time he was president. But this time, it seems he is attempting to completely shift his stated priorities. This week he said “we have to defend the Ukraine.” This is very much the diametric opposite of what he campaigned on when he said “it’s not our responsibility to defend the Ukraine.” That is different than “sorry, I can’t figure out how to get Congress to stop funding the Ukraine” or “I can’t figure out what I’m supposed to do to end this war, this whole thing is really confusing and I don’t know what to do.” What I mean to say is: failure is different than betrayal, and while failure is tolerable, betrayal should not be tolerable.

In the case of “actually, there never was an Epstein client list,” that is just obvious lying, which would fall under the “betrayal” category, unless a person is stupid enough to believe that Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking underage girls to no one, which some Trump supporters are probably stupid enough to believe, though I can’t say for certain.

Unfortunately: Democracy​

Fortunately for Donald Trump and his cadre, and unfortunately for all the people in America, we live in a democracy, and therefore it is possible for zero people to support Donald Trump, and for him to remain president, and continue to do whatever it is he feels like doing at any given time.

There are probably some reasons that political support is important in a democracy, but I can’t think of what they might be. Trump appears to care personally about people supporting him, as it appears he has a rather fragile ego that feeds on popular support, and if people are booing him, it appears to hurt his ego. But ultimately, because this is a democracy and there is therefore no mechanism through which the public can petition grievances, he can do whatever he wants while he remains in office, and no one’s opinion about what he does means anything.

That said, Trump probably will maintain some fanatical base of morons who don’t really know much about what is going on but are very excited by alligators. And of course, the polls published can say whatever.

Then, after he does whatever it is he is going to do, he can turn over the government to Gavin Newsom or AOC, and they can be popular for a while after claiming they are going to do something or other, and then become unpopular after they do something different than what they claimed they would do. And we will just keep going on like that until eventually, something gives out, and the American empire falls into disarray, and something finally happens.
 
Yeah I hear a lot of yammering about "Trump cultists" from certain people but I can't honestly say that the DNC is much better in that aspect.
Dnc is much worse. Joe Biden said he wanted people who didn't buy Pfizer products to die

did his supporters condemn this or speak up at all? Nope.

When biden committed treason by locking up those who dissented against his appointment and seizure of power without trial no one on his side said anything

when it came out that biden fucked his own daughter, no one on his side said anything.

When biden hired hitmen to kill Trump, no one on his side said anything

the dnc acts like a cult because it literally is a satanic cult.
If DJT was a Democrat they'd be lining up to metaphorically fellate his one inch orange member.
They did literally until 2016.
 
Trump is a liar, a traitor, and a massive disappointment. He has either significantly underdelivered, or outright just openly lied about every single thing he said he would do. Deportations have been a joke, and while he is good at making a show, the numbers are laughable, and he has repeatedly said he would not deport the "good" criminal invaders and has repeatedly discussed amnesty. He lied openly about the Epstein files and information, and has now proven that even if he isn't a child rapist, he eagerly serves child rapists and will advance their interests. He lied about no longer supporting Ukraine, and instead continues the same enormous spending that Biden did. He lied about not getting involved in foreign wars, because he will do whatever Israel will tell him to. He lied about cutting spending, and he lied about reducing the deficit. He has lied about America first, because every single attempt he has to bring industry or jobs to America is tied to importing more brown foreigners to take those jobs over Americans.

Is there a single thing this faggot has done that he promised he would do? He is so full of crap that it is coming out of his ears.

I hate the meme, but I can honestly say that I indeed fell for it again. Zion Don tricked me big time.
 
People might not like the messenger (and truthfully I'm not incredibly familiar with Anglin beyond the basics) but the conversation is valid. I voted for Trump 3 times. My first and third votes were for him, and my second time was a vote against Biden. But when Trump does something that is against the values I have for governance I don't have an issue with calling it out, and I find it weird that other people do have an issue. Some examples:

Obvious deflections and outright lying on the Epstein case is morally disgusting.

The idea of granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants because they are farm workers is disgusting.

I'll save my views on the foreign policy involved with the recent actions against Iran, but it is disgusting to watch politicians who are supposed to represent the American people give so much lip service to how devoted they are to a foreign nation.

Fuck Ukraine and ever giving those bastards another dime.


So often I see this disgust of leftists for their moral hypocrisy, and I agree with it. Hell the stuff about the Linux pedo on MATI today boiled my blood. Trump has done some good, but it is true he has been disloyal to the values of many of the people who supported him, and disloyal to many of the political ideas that he became a figurehead of. Ignoring these betrayals out of some sort of affection for Trump or animosity for his opponents isn't winning in my eyes.
 
More like that people don’t care.
The woke mob absolutely did and still do care about Anglin and his stupid little website. That's why they tried so hard to get rid of said website and chase him off the internet, and their failure in doing this is why I say that Andrew Anglin is a survivor and I admit I do find that impressive, even if I disagree with him on a lot of other things.
 
The woke mob absolutely did and still do care about Anglin and his stupid little website. That's why they tried so hard to get rid of said website and chase him off the internet, and their failure in doing this is why I say that Andrew Anglin is a survivor and I admit I do find that impressive, even if I disagree with him on a lot of other things.
Okay, who is he and why should somebody give a damn?
 
Okay, who is he and why should somebody give a damn?
He's a white nationalist who runs and writes for the Daily Stormer, a white nationalist news website. And nobody sane should care, because he's just another extremist on the internet, but the woke left absolutely does care about their enemies having any sort of ability to express their opinions anywhere at all.

Normalfags, if they know about Anglin at all, just view him as being another edgy Neo-Nazi asshole, but we both know that normies aren't the ones leading campaigns to cancel people.
 
He's a white nationalist who runs and writes for the Daily Stormer, a white nationalist news website. And nobody sane should care, because he's just another extremist on the internet, but the woke left absolutely does care about their enemies having any sort of ability to express their opinions anywhere at all.

Normalfags, if they know about Anglin at all, just view him as being another edgy Neo-Nazi asshole, but we both know that normies aren't the ones leading campaigns to cancel people.
So, nobody important.
 
To be loyal to someone means that you will stick by them whether they are right or wrong. The reason we are loyal to our families is that we need them to be loyal to us, because this is how humans survive. If people abandoned family members because they were wrong about something, we would all be completely alone. We have to take the good and the bad with family members, because we need them.
One place where loyalty is not appropriate is in politics. Being “loyal” to a political figure is nonsensical. The only reason any person would support any political figure is that that political figure is doing political things they agree with and that helps them and their personal agenda. There is no place at all for loyalty to a political figure, as you do not personally know the political figure, and therefore you do not owe personal allegiance. There is no mutuality at all. Either the political figure is promoting an agenda you agree with, and therefore you rally for them and defend them because you benefit, or they are doing something different, which you do not benefit from, in which case you owe them nothing.
What Trump has done with intention is form a kind of personality cult, where people feel that they know him, and therefore owe him some kind of personal loyalty outside of his role as a policy maker. This is something that is only really possible in the age of electronic media. Most people see Donald Trump speaking nearly every day, and their subconscious mind, which is not familiar with the nature of video screens, registers him as someone they know personally, and are regularly hanging out with socially. Such a person would be the kind of person you would owe a personal loyalty to, and whose mistakes you would overlook, at least until the point where they got completely out of control.
Quoting this for the folks who will not read the article as this is the most important, salient point.

Loyalists are what the founders of this country were patriots against. Loyalists were the servants of the Crown, not the Country.

If you consider yourself patriotic because you're loyal to a party or the government, or a politician, guess what? You're the ontological opposition to patriotism. A loyalist.
"Vote blue no matter who"

And then they had the nerve to act like voting for Trump was somehow thoughtless.
I don't regret my votes for Trump. I will not however be voting Republican again on a federal level after his, and his administration's, actions thus far in his presidency.

I am not 'vote red until I'm dead'. Nobody should be, as it is as insane as being 'vote blue no matter who'. There's a lot of 'red until dead' mentality going around. That is why this article even exists.
 
"Vote blue no matter who"

And then they had the nerve to act like voting for Trump was somehow thoughtless.
Funny enough people keep telling me to vote but honestly I don't really see a point anymore because it's between bad and worse and it's not going to get any better.

But I do understand why young men, for example, would pick Donald over the DNC, as he's not actively calling them names and blaming them for society's problems.

I don't even like the guy but I do get it, it's kind of a "fuck you" to a failing system that probably won't do anything for them anyway.

Granted, there are diehards but those will always exist for any party or politician. Except for Kamala Harris, whose whole campaign was a complete joke and should be a good example of how not to run a political campaign.
 
Funny enough people keep telling me to vote but honestly I don't really see a point anymore because it's between bad and worse and it's not going to get any better.
They want you to vote for who they voted for. Just tell them you voted opposite who they voted for, and they'll lose their damn minds.
But I do understand why young men, for example, would pick Donald over the DNC, as he's not actively calling them names and blaming them for society's problems.

I don't even like the guy but I do get it, it's kind of a "fuck you" to a failing system that probably won't do anything for them anyway.
Everyone gets this but the Left. I swear, they're like the abuser in the abusive relationship: "They'll come back, they always come back."
Granted, there are diehards but those will always exist for any party or politician. Except for Kamala Harris, whose whole campaign was a complete joke and should be a good example of how not to run a political campaign.
I would be willing to give a scant bit of grace to the people who only had the information that predicted a Harris win, but after a while, hell, even at the end of election night, I think everyone should have had the great reckoning of many, many facets of the Harris campaign that made it an absolute disaster. They figured if they could beat Trump with someone, they could beat him with anyone. The problem is, they didn't beat him with just someone. And he did manage to beat a DNC heavy-hitter (arguably an even heavier hitter than Biden, she was merely hated more). Couple that with a shit economy and a seemingly open-air conspiracy to bolster a President with evident dementia, and anyone with any sense would have said: "We need a primary, because we can't run Biden again."

All the moderates in all the swing states, never mind the "male" aspect probably panicked and said: "The DNC is absolutely off the fucking rails.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who voted for Trump simply because they couldn't stomach voting for absolute lunatics.
 
What he is effectively saying is that his political movement was always just about him as a person, and that anyone who ever supported MAGA was supporting him as a person. Therefore, anyone who disagrees with his totally new series of policies he has developed in recent weeks, most of which are the opposite of how MAGA had previously been defined, is not actually a believer in MAGA, because MAGA was never a series of policies, but instead an expression of loyalty to Donald Trump personally, and a pledge to support whatever it is he decides to do at any moment.

This situation is most brightly highlighted in the way Trump has dealt with Congressman Thomas Massie, who is, I would argue, the standard-bearer of the MAGA platform as it was initially introduced by Trump in 2015. Trump has claimed Massie is a traitor and vowed to destroy him. It is very obvious to everyone that Massie has not changed any of his positions on anything.
Isn't Massie the retard that said we didn't need more funding for ICE because of the deficit while champion "proper border funding" that doesn't exist? Or was that some other retard that bitched about the BBB while being useless? Either way, fuck him. He isn't MAGA, he's just right of the center.
 
Trump is a liar, a traitor, and a massive disappointment. He has either significantly underdelivered, or outright just openly lied about every single thing he said he would do. Deportations have been a joke, and while he is good at making a show, the numbers are laughable, and he has repeatedly said he would not deport the "good" criminal invaders and has repeatedly discussed amnesty. He lied openly about the Epstein files and information, and has now proven that even if he isn't a child rapist, he eagerly serves child rapists and will advance their interests. He lied about no longer supporting Ukraine, and instead continues the same enormous spending that Biden did. He lied about not getting involved in foreign wars, because he will do whatever Israel will tell him to. He lied about cutting spending, and he lied about reducing the deficit. He has lied about America first, because every single attempt he has to bring industry or jobs to America is tied to importing more brown foreigners to take those jobs over Americans.

Is there a single thing this faggot has done that he promised he would do? He is so full of crap that it is coming out of his ears.

I hate the meme, but I can honestly say that I indeed fell for it again. Zion Don tricked me big time.
✡️ spotted
 
I don't disagree with the tone of the article and I'm hugely disappointed with Trump but let's be objective about some things.

The Iran war turned out to be a nothing burger, in reality it was worse for Israel than it was Iran. It was "Syria 2.0" in the sense that the Trump administration gave Iran a heads up in about when and where they were going to drop bunker busters. Trump caused a lot of hysteria but did very little. Iran's nukes are probably a mile beneath a mountain, no ordinance we have can reach them. But the whole world believes we did something and Israel got the (meaningless) action it wanted.

Thomas Massie is more worried about the budget, and what we leave behind for our third world replacements, than he is the American people. Japan has twice the debt to gdp ratio that we do and they're not falling apart. Massie has been totally silent on the 27 billion dollar surplus this week, which tells me he's disingenuous on the issue. I do like that he's the only non-zog member of Congress.

Deportations are down from Bidens numbers. It's hard to say how many self-deportations there have been. Anecdotally two different Mexican neighbors moved out when Trump was elected (one only lived there a few months) but two more Mexican families moved right in to the same two houses. I travel a lot around the country and I feel like I'm seeing the same amount of immigrants, if not more.

Epstein. This is bad any way you cut it. To play devil's advocate I could say that we don't know all the consequences of pursuing this further. I don't think there's any question that the safety of everyone involved, and probably their families, is at risk. How many people would risk their children's or grandchildren's lives over this? With that said, you really should've understood the stakes before making promises.

Really the biggest disconnect I see is that people still don't grasp that Trump negotiates in public on a continual basis, taking both exteme positions even in the middle of negotiations. He's not just negotiating with the parties directly involved but also with his supporters. You could say he lies but that he lies in the right direction; you're not going to get mass deportations (the jury is still out on this btw) but you will get a lower presence of illegals than you otherwise would've gotten due to the fear generated by the media.

I wish I could say I know what the answer is. As previously stated by someone else, both parties fucking suck. The Republicans reduced the tax on remittances in the "big beautiful bill" from 5% to 3.5% finally down to 1 fucking percent. That alone is a slap to the face of all Americans, Republican or Democrat.

Then throw in the fact that regardless of who you vote for you are voting for someone who aids and supports child sex trafficking.

But some good has occurred; most, but I don't think all, of the January 6th political prisoners have been pardoned. The case against Douglass Mackie has been dropped. The case against the doctor who gave out fake vaccine cards, saline injections and disposed of the real vaccines just had his case dropped. He was facing 30 years. I think RFK Jr has said and done some good things. Border crossings ate allegedly down to zero or next to it. Etc.

So yeah. Real life is fake and gay. Overall I think Trump is just a rebranding of some unpalatable things and I can't say if I'll ever vote for anyone federally again or not. I know this is wishy washy.
 
Trump never raped anyone.

Stop getting nazi conspiracy theories from 4chan, it's gay
That's not what the poster was saying. They are pointing out that there are people like that Brad guy (though might be memeing) would back Trump even if he raped women and children to which most normal people would think is a little bit mental. That applies for the right wing and the left wing.
 
That's not what the poster was saying. They are pointing out that there are people like that Brad guy (though might be memeing) would back Trump even if he raped women and children to which most normal people would think is a little bit mental. That applies for the right wing and the left wing.
Right wingers don't think like that though. They don't possess the brain bug disorder that the left does

The leftist is devoid of morality or logic. It may be a genetic thing but more likely just from mind control and brain washing

Rights don't really do the cult of personality thing. You remember when bill Clinton raped that intern and there was dna evidence on her dress and democrats unanimously voted to acquithim? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about

The totem of the right is more about ideals than the authority figure. This is different from the left, where the figure and their status is how they decide what ideals they will follow. This is why they love celebrities and corporations so much. That's their gods.

Also, the Brad dudes screen name is literally badfaithact lol
 
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