US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Why in the world are you chuds arguing about whether rape is a social construct or not?

Because nothing ever happens so the chuds got bored.

 

[CarlKingofDucks]

>Come back to the thread

>Rape is a social construct and women should be banned from the site!

Huh?

Why in the world are you chuds arguing about whether rape is a social construct or not?

I think they cant help but get into the debate bro mindset.

 

[Hemlock Latte]

"you can't be racist against white people"

The left's messaging on this in the last twenty years has been a mess. This phrasing being a key example.

What they pushed is: "You can be prejudiced against anybody, but you can only be racist against marginalized minorities" because "racism equals prejudice plus power." This is incredibly complicated, this is adding steps that don't need to be there. What they should have pushed is: "You can be racist against someone of any ethnicity, but is rare for racism against whites to happen at the institutional level. Usually marginalized minorities like black people are pushing back against institutionalized racism."

The former narrative has everybody competing to see who's more marginalized ergo who experiences the most "prejudice plus power" ergo who deserves the most accommodations to counter it. It has white people arguing that they're institutionally discriminated against so that they don't lose out to things like affirmative action and DEI. If they'd gone with the latter narrative it would have helped people properly contextualize the struggles that marginalized minorities face.

Most people hear "You can't be racist against white people" and think, "Well that's bullshit," because it is. If they'd heard "You can be racist against white people, sure, but black people generally experience more and different racism," they would also have conceded the point. I think this is a massive marketing failure on the left's part and has helped get us where we are in terms of racial division in the U.S and Canada.

"Race is a social construct"

This, on the other hand, should just be apparent to people. "White" is the best example of this, it's an ever-moving goalpost. Over a hundred years "white" has been a half-dozen different things in America. The only reason people ever think "white" is real is because the people in power that dictate what "white" is have let them into the fold. Seeing Irish-American white supremacists is so funny to me.

 

[The Last Stand]

>Come back to the thread

>Rape is a social construct and women should be banned from the site!

Huh?

Why in the world are you chuds arguing about whether rape is a social construct or not?

I don't get it. Why would you need society to say that forcefully having sex with somebody is bad?

 

[debristar]

I don't get it. Why would you need society to say that forcefully having sex with somebody is bad?

because they disagree that all sex is rape

if it's a stranger it's rape, if it's husband it's not? fuck off.

but if it's a nigger at work it's not rape, fuck off again.

pets with rights.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

>Come back to the thread

>Rape is a social construct and women should be banned from the site!

Huh?

Why in the world are you chuds arguing about whether rape is a social construct or not?

All the tourists left after getting BTFO so we're back to Captain Planetposting.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

You sound like one of those fucked in the head degenerates who keep pushing to legalize those underage sex dolls saying, "Pedos can't help it but if they rape child sex dolls, then at least they're not raping real kids".

I'm actually kind of shocked at how people treat pedophilia, or violent sexual sociopaths, like it's some kind of preference or fetish that could be satisfied with some kind of substitute. These are mental disorders and paraphilias, a child sex doll will never satisfy a pedophile, their wiring is fucked up, they want real children and will always predate on real children. This isn't some "I like blondes" thing where a bottle blonde is good enough. It's why they always reoffend. They may consume related porn, but it doesn't satisfy them. I can look at pictures of emotionally unstable redheads, but it's not the same thing as actually having one.

 

[Thomas Talus]

I don't get it. Why would you need society to say that forcefully having sex with somebody is bad?

At least 50% of the participants enjoy it, so it's very democratic.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

If you don't ever wake up on the wrong side of the bed and want to argue with strangers on the internet what are you even doing in USPG?

 

[Local FloRida-man]

Well yeah but that assumes morality must be objective to be meaningful. Consensus morality is descriptive tho, not prescriptive. I can judge a societal consensus because... obv I’m part of the ongoing dialogue shaping it and moving it forward. Rejecting absolutism doesn’t mean rejecting all standards. It's about anchoring them to shared human experience, not imaginary absolutes. Also, in this view, mortality proper is a tool for solving problems, not expressing opinion.

You mothers failed philosophy class didn't you?

Adding objective as a qualifier is just hiding the ball. Objective morality is the only type worthy of the word, because otherwise, like I said, you're just arguing over opinions. Which you have no right to do, because you're claiming your moral framework comes from the consensus. It would be like saying your yardstick is closer to a yard than the yardstick you used to cut it. You have no way to say that because you only have your yardstick (your opinion) the calibrating yardstick (societies consensus) and you reject the idea of an outside, objectively true yardstick (objective moral frameworks). It's a nonsensical position.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

 

[The Last Stand]

All the tourists left after getting BTFO so we're back to Captain Planetposting.

What is Captain Planet? Another meme?

 

[Pendulous Dong]

All the tourists left after getting BTFO so we're back to Captain Planetposting.

Would Captain Planet consider putting marbles up your cousin's ass to be rape, and if so would he consider it to be a social construct?

 

[AndSothisIsChristmas]

How long will we be able to weaponize Muslims to get beneficial rulings for the right until it’s time to jettison and deport them? This was a big win for conservatives yesterday, and it’s tempting to keep using Muslims to attack the gays or promote more religion in public, but we must be wary about abusing this tool because soon Muslims and their goals would be part of our platform, and we’ve seen in England what occurs then.

 

[Just Want 2 Read]

Rape is theft. She is my property faggot, and I'll blast you if you try it.
If the woman isn't shacked up, you're stealing property from her future owner.
And remember, if you're a thief, you're a NIGGER.

 

[The Lawgiver]

What is Captain Planet? Another meme?

He's a hero. Gonna take pollution down to zero. He's out powers magnified. AND HE'S FIGHTING ONT HE PLANET'S SIDE.

How long will we be able to weaponize Muslims to get beneficial rulings for the right until it’s time to jettison and deport them? This was a big win for conservatives yesterday, and it’s tempting to keep using Muslims to attack the gays or promote more religion in public, but we must be wary about abusing this tool because soon Muslims and their goals would be part of our platform, and we’ve seen in England what occurs then.

Viewing shit as merely left/right shit is how the cancer is allowed to continue growing. Viewing people as mere tools to get legal shit passed is never gonna end well "left" or "right". You will be raped by the slimes unless you manage to wrangle the worst of em.

 

[derpi]

us-politics-general + women, should be the title of this thread, only women would compain about my gramar, men know what i meant and can mentally fill in the gaps, but a woman always has to open her fucking mouth and complain.

men, how do you feel about yourself not knowing if this place still has any men left?

This nigger thinks there’s girls on the internet

 

[Hemlock Latte]

What is Captain Planet? Another meme?

It's '90s cartoon. I think it's Western, but the artstyle is anime-adjacent. In terms of production values, I have no idea if it holds up or not, but it was influential on environmentalists left and right who grew up during that era. The title character is a superhero that helps a multiracial band of children fight off evil industrialists. I recall what I've seen of it being very humane; there wasn't really a clearcut villain. Nobody dies at the end of the episode. It's about how we need to cooperate to save the planet or we're fucked (not in so many words).

 

[The Lawgiver]

It's '90s cartoon. I think it's Western, but the artstyle is anime-adjacent. In terms of production values, I have no idea if it holds up or not, but it was influential on environmentalists left and right who grew up during that era. The title character is a superhero that helps a multiracial band of children fight off evil industrialists. I recall what I've seen of it being very humane; there wasn't really a clearcut villain. Nobody dies at the end of the episode. It's about how we need to cooperate to save the planet or we're fucked (not in so many words).

"there really wasn't a clearcut villain"
Did you somehow miss the FUCKING TERRORISTS THAT GET OFF TO POLLUTING SHIT AND SPREADING PESTILENCE YOU SECTOID MOTHERFUCKER?

 

[Levitcus prime24]

Is it weird to say I never understood why child labor is a thing? Like the aveegre child is weaker that the avenge adult man and you want them to run a factory that would require a good bit of strength? That doesn't make sense to me the only reason why you would hire children is if you could pay them less(which is the reason why they did that) its even stranger now that there are some people (you know exactly which ones I'm talking about) want to bring child labor back like why? Why repeat the same mistakes again just so you could make 0.5% more money.

 

[inetsone]

Adding objective as a qualifier is just hiding the ball. Objective morality is the only type worthy of the word, because otherwise, like I said, you're just arguing over opinions. Which you have no right to do, because you're claiming your moral framework comes from the consensus. It would be like saying your yardstick is closer to a yard than the yardstick you used to cut it. You have no way to say that because you only have your yardstick (your opinion) the calibrating yardstick (societies consensus) and you reject the idea of an outside, objectively true yardstick (objective moral frameworks). It's a nonsensical position.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Lmao. Can you motherfuckers entertain points of view without accepting them? I didn't say I acktually accept the definition of morality or whatever I laid out. But your example, a yardstick, is a completely arbitrary, socially determined unit of measure and matches what I said to the T. Anyway, didn't meant to wade into the middle of this because I legit don't care.