Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Billy Bong]

I like that the Hardin's ECF was first and it killed Russell's before he even put it up on the board.
Was that a happy coincidence by the clerks, or are they just filed in the order they come in?
ETA: I read that wrong. That was Hardin's response to Greer and it's marked as such. I went by my file opening clicking order. For shame.

 

[Harvey Danger]

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"Plaintiff considers the conduct of Matthew Hardin to be criminal"

Oh really? I guess Greer will now take a day off work and drive down to the Las Vegas police department, filing charges against Hardin for CC'ing a realtor on an email. Any day now, that warrant will be issued for this clearly criminal conduct. Aaaaaaany day now.

 

[Gorton Colu]

"Plaintiff considers the conduct of Matthew Hardin to be criminal"

Oh really? I guess Greer will now take a day off work and drive down to the Las Vegas police department, filing charges against Hardin for CC'ing a realtor on an email. Any day now, that warrant will be issued for this clearly criminal conduct. Aaaaaaany day now.

Acerthorn having lost his lolsuit and becoming Joah's gimp intervenes in this case to tell the court that he considers Rusty's conduct and behavior to be unconsciable.

 

[Pee Cola]

For shits and giggles, I thought I'd look up what constitutes "stalking" according to US law. The National Institute of Justice had this to say (A):

Like domestic violence, stalking is a crime of power and control. Stalking is conservatively defined as "a course of conduct directed at a specific person that involves repeated (two or more occasions) visual or physical proximity, nonconsensual communication, or verbal, written, or implied threats, or a combination thereof, that would cause a reasonable person fear." [1] Stalking behaviors also may include persistent patterns of leaving or sending the victim unwanted items or presents that may range from seemingly romantic to bizarre, following or laying in wait for the victim, damaging or threatening to damage the victim's property, defaming the victim's character, or harassing the victim via the Internet by posting personal information or spreading rumors about the victim.

The only part of this definition that is even remotely close is "defaming the victim's character", hence my emphasis above. Unfortunately for Greee, no defamation occurred.

As far as I can tell, all enquiries made by Hardin during his normal course of business (viz. conducting research in order to support the vigorous defense of his client against Greee's allegations) were made using neutral language, and made no comment whatsoever regarding Greee's character.

IANAL, but I just can't see how Hardin allegedly defamed Greee.

wrt "damaging business relationships", this is not stalking. This may be a result of defaming the victim's character, but this is not stalking behavior in and of itself. As Hardin did not defame Greee, any alleged damage to business relationships occurring as a result of Hardin's research is completely separate from the definition of "defamation".

I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, and/or if this post is helping Greee by spelling out what does and doesn't constitute "stalking", I'm more than happy for U_M to sweep this up.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

I bet he talks to the people he's delivering food to, who will spend a few minutes awkwardly listening to his plightsperging and nodding along, hoping he'll leave before they have to call the cops and ruin the whole evening.

I wonder if he calls phone sex hotlines (do these even still exist?) and plight dumps to some poor bored girl on the other end of the line. It wouldn't be the first time he's completely wasted the time he paid a whore for.

We kid, but no one actually thinks U_M is Hardin.

Everyone knows it's really just an inside joke to cover for the fact that he's secretly Clarence Thomas.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't fully understand, well, anything, but from what I've gathered is this court could only really label him vexatious in its own court, they can't say "Nationwide, in all federal courts, Russell Greer is under a pre-filing injunction."

They won't, but they can. In fact, any District Court could, on showing of good cause, issue something like this:

Anthony R. Martin-Trigona is hereby permanently enjoined from serving upon any person, natural or legal, or any other entity, any document, summons, subpoena, motion, affidavit, declaration, or other paper purporting to be served in connection with any lawsuit, action, proceeding, or matter brought in any federal court, agency, tribunal, or forum of the United States unless such a lawsuit, action, proceeding, or matter has in fact been commenced in a federal court, agency, tribunal, or forum, the identity of which is apparent on the face of the paper, and unless the document, summons, subpoena, motion, affidavit, declaration, or other paper is timely and properly filed with the court, agency, tribunal, or forum indicated thereon in compliance with the requirements of the preceding sections of this order.

In Re Martin-Trigona, 592 F. Supp. 1566 (D. Conn. 1984).

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

LOL. Isn't this the type of language that led to man, many issues for Russ??Wyświetl załącznik 7559716

These sound like witnesses to me... they may need to be deposed...

I think after years of this nonsense he had to up the aggro. But it probably took a fair amount of digging to find actual language from precedent as harsh as he needed to use, and outside of quotes from courts, a lawyer generally doesn't get to be that snarky.

I'm particularly impressed he managed to find an "I'm rubber and you're glue" quote from an actual court.

"I've talked to the other mongoloids in the group home and they all agree with me."

Best I've been able to pull off at oral arguments is "verbosity is not specificity."

Hardin seems to have collected some amusing judicial anecdotes.

Do lawyers and barristers routinely collect these odd case citations? Can we get them collected into a thread?

He will file that, but he will also pay.

Greer understands concrete and quantifiable threats, like this one, with a boolean condition, a set date and clear, announced consequences.

At least a tiny part of Greer knows he has to pay this and I bet my ass that he already has the money ready and knows when to send it so it arrives before the deadline.
Barely before the deadline mind you, but definetely before it nonetheless.

He can just not admit that to himself yet, but I am sure he has gone through the motions already to prepare to pay just on time.

If he does pay, I have a tenner that it will be late.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

wrt "damaging business relationships", this is not stalking. This may be a result of defaming the victim's character, but this is not stalking behavior in and of itself.

There must be a business relationship in place in order for it to incur damage. Russell's scattershot emails and straight up lies do not constitute a business relationship. Calling someone's office repeatedly despite them never returning your call does not constitute a business relationship.

 

[Pedophobe]

If he does pay, I have a tenner that it will be late.

And then he'll spend the next three months arguing over late fees?

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

And then he'll spend the next three months arguing over late fees?

It was just 'harmless error', a little 'goof' that I 'had the wrong time saved in my phone' because of the 'awful, awful, awful' people on Kiwi Farms have 'bizarrely' focused on 'every little thing' that I have said. It has had a profound impact upon Plaintiff's 'mental health' and cause him to ponder taking his own life. 'Plaintiff does not believe' he will do so at this time, but the Court must admonish Mr. Hardin to be a true 'neutral third-party' because' I'm 7'.

- Gree

He will argue that Josh GOT his money and that a late sanction is inapplicable.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Has anyone considered the possibility that the entire lawsuit may have been just a big goof?

 

[AnOminous]

it (somehow) still amazes me that russell doesn’t realize any asshat can get a pacer account and download documents. MY stupid ass has one.

I think something like half of the Farms has one at this point. At the very least half the people on these lolsuit threads.

 

[Gorton Colu]

Has anyone considered the possibility that the entire lawsuit may have been just a big goof?

When will we MOVE ON from this lawsuit?

 

[The Dude]

"Plaintiff considers the conduct of Matthew Hardin to be criminal."

Well it's a good thing that what Dildo Saggins "considers" doesn't fucking matter. The only thing that matters is what the law says, and the law is entirely on His Royal Hardship's side in this matter. Attorneys are given wide latitude in regards to their rigorous defense of their client. Russhole brought this all upon himself. He only has himself to blame.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Props to Hardin for staying on message, it would be all too easy to spend time defending against Shitlips attacking his professional ethics and legitimacy, but he defense against only his lies that matter in the case, and keeping the judges focus on target. (we hope )

And because Russ's MO is to try to do what he saw a real lawyer do, his next motion will be "Aha! Hardin never argued against the factual allegation that he's a criminal stalker so that means it's uncontested and he's automatically convicted and disbarred!"

 

[YouTube Autist]

"Plaintiff considers the conduct of Matthew Hardin to be criminal"

If only there were some sort of third party to which one could appeal to adjudicate whether a particular person has committed a crime.

It was just 'harmless error', a little 'goof' that I 'had the wrong time saved in my phone' because of the 'awful, awful, awful' people on Kiwi Farms have 'bizarrely' focused on 'every little thing' that I have said. It has had a profound impact upon Plaintiff's 'mental health' and cause him to ponder taking his own life. 'Plaintiff does not believe' he will do so at this time, but the Court must admonish Mr. Hardin to be a true 'neutral third-party' because' I'm 7'.

- Gree

He will argue that Josh GOT his money and that a late sanction is inapplicable.

Beautiful. We'll have to get you to do the Cliff's Notes for this when the case is finally over.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

When will we MOVE ON from this lawsuit?

I was thinking that as soon as Hardin filed his response next Monday the judge was going to finally put an end to this miserable excuse of a case, but after reading Greer's latest and utterly brilliant response where he not only points out how plaintiff has already explained his reasons, but also that focus should shift to defendant's conduct, I can only conclude the magistrate judge will see his own shadow and we'll have six more months of lolsuit.

Of course it doesn't really matter when the judge ends this travesty or if it somehow manages to limp along to be concluded at trial as we have an appeals arc to look forward to.

 

[Swole McPole]

It makes it sound like Russ is the main character in the worst RPG ever written.

If some enterprising game developer was to come up with RussellQuest, I'd be queuing up on release day to force them to take my money.

 

[talk talk talk]

I like that the Hardin's ECF was first and it killed Russell's before he even put it up on the board.
Was that a happy coincidence by the clerks, or are they just filed in the order they come in?
ETA: I read that wrong. That was Hardin's response to Greer and it's marked as such. I went by my file opening clicking order. For shame.

Hardin didn't time-travel, but it was an incredibly fast response. That says to me that much of it was pre-written and Hardin just had to edit it a bit.

Hardin has now reached the point where he can predict Greee's moves. Hardin controls the case.

 

[Some dude]

"Nowhere in any of their motions do Defendants choose to defend the claim against them for copyright infringement, which is what this case is about."

I disagree. Hardin has made defense against all zero of Greee's evidence of this claim.