Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Sexy Potoo]

Why does he want to read Hardin's filings if he was going to dismiss anyway?

For one thing, having the defendant explain why the plaintiff's case is just as retarded as the the plaintiff himself makes it harder for it to be overturned on appeals.

To appeal a case after dismissal, you need either a technicality that renders the previous court proceedings moot, thus demanding a retrial if possible, or you need to determine that original judgement was incorrect.

The more that Hardin can provide for dismissing the case, the better.

If the court really wants to fuck over Greee, they won't dismiss. They'll force him to trial.

Disagree.

Forcing a bad faith case to trial is punishing the defendant for the plaintiff's incompetence. There are plenty of ways a court can punish somebody that doesn't involve forcing a defendant to incur costs.

 

[obsdj]

Assuming Greee pays by 6/30

What a wildly hilarious assumption. Are there any real-world facts, or anything in recorded Russtory, that lead you to this assumption?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

What a wildly hilarious assumption. Are there any real-world facts, or anything in recorded Russtory, that lead you to this assumption?

He paid the filing fee, which a large percentage of thread-goers would have to admit they didn't think he would.

 

[DavidS877]

Forcing a bad faith case to trial is punishing the defendant for the plaintiff's incompetence. There are plenty of ways a court can punish somebody that doesn't involve forcing a defendant to incur costs.

Can one Federal court ask another Federal court(Nevada) to force their state to prohibit Greee's ownership of any brothels?

But really, my take on all of this is that the Judges just want everything in and briefed so they can dismiss it 37 times at once. I'm curious if Mr. Hardin sees the writing on the wall and gets his reply in support of their motion to dismiss in before the last possible day.

I'm looking forward to it going to the 10th again and Null not having to lift a finger before it gets thrown out.

 

[Jacknife]

He paid the filing fee, which a large percentage of thread-goers would have to admit they didn't think he would.

I also think he will pay the sanctions, Greer at least somewhat aware of where he can fuck around and what he has to take seriously.

The difference between this and all the shit he did not comply with, is the defnitive announcement of more sanctions.

This is a concrete threat, the only kind he respects.

Shit like "that you have not complied is of concern to me" or "is ordered" does not concern Greer but threats work on him.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

If the court really wants to fuck over Greee, they won't dismiss. They'll force him to trial.

No. Here's what they should do:

• Dismiss with prejudice, so he can't bring it up again
• Label him a vexatious litigant, to hinder further lolsuits
• Further order to prevent him from suing Null, Hardin, or Kiwi Farms, a website, ever again without prior court approval
• Further order him to reimburse Null all legal fees, including the ones spent on Based Skordas, with interest

And as long as I'm wishing, I'd like a million dollars.

 

[obsdj]

He paid the filing fee, which a large percentage of thread-goers would have to admit they didn't think he would.

Granted, but that was a payment to the court. The day he submits and pays actual dollars to Hardin/Null, I'll eat a bug.

 

[TurboNAS]

Can one Federal court ask another Federal court(Nevada) to force their state to prohibit Greee's ownership of any brothels?

Prior restraint is usually frowned upon.

Same with Greer’s IFP status, he’s welcome to apply every time to each court because his circumstances may have changed. The court doesn’t have to grant it.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

No. Here's what they should do:

• Dismiss with prejudice, so he can't bring it up again
• Label him a vexatious litigant, to hinder further lolsuits
• Further order to prevent him from suing Null, Hardin, or Kiwi Farms, a website, ever again without prior court approval
• Further order him to reimburse Null all legal fees, including the ones spent on Based Skordas, with interest

And as long as I'm wishing, I'd like a million dollars.

That should all be done, after he's racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars of costs, fees, and sanctions.

 

[talk talk talk]

The problem with Russtard and the courts is that he's only a mid-tier lunatic. I have a sovcit peronal lolcow I'm following who is trying to re-try his child custody case in federal court who files up to five things a day.

Russ has to up his game if he really wants to piss off the federal court.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

So, basically, at this point, Hardin just needs to get his response to Greeee's response to Motion for Dismissal in, make sure all the sanctionable activities are in the docket, and to file any appropriate oppositions and requests for sanctions for any new shit Crusty Rusty craps onto the docket? Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[cromit]

Why does he want to read Hardin's filings if he was going to dismiss anyway?

To plagiarize his wording and reasoning in his (report and recommendation|order). He’s asking Hardin to make his life easier.

But I think that Hardin hasn't even been able to ASK for this stuff in discovery.

As mentioned, Russ was supposed to produce this without a specific request.

not even Hardin's job to ask for evidence that proves Greee's side; it's Greee's job to provide it.

Rule 26. Duty to Disclose; General Provisions Governing Discovery​

(a) Required Disclosures.​

(1) Initial Disclosure.​

(A) In General. Except as exempted by Rule 26(a)(1)(B) or as otherwise stipulated or ordered by the court, a party must, without awaiting a discovery request, provide to the other parties:​

…​

(ii) a copy—or a description by category and location—of all documents, electronically stored information, and tangible things that the disclosing party has in its possession, custody, or control and may use to support its claims or defenses, unless the use would be solely for impeachment;​

The Rule is pretty fucking clear. You disclose this stuff upfront. If you have a real case, you want that ebbidance in the other side’s hands ASAP anyway, to facilitate speedy resolution. But if you don’t disclose automatically, by the date the court tells you to, it’s assumed you ain’t got bupkus. And if you have nothing, you have no case. Thus, the additional in-the-alternative request from Hardin to turn his motion to dismiss into a motion for no-evidence summary judgment.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I have a sovcit peronal lolcow I'm following who is trying to re-try his child custody case in federal court who files up to five things a day.

Name names, you tease.

I’m surprised Russ hasn’t filed anything today, objecting to the ruling. When I saw the judge cite $1000 I had a feeling Russ would immediately file something to clarify that he and Hardin agreed to the deduction.

 

[Napoleon III]

This is for whether or not to grant cert. An actual decision would be way later (if cert is granted)

I would find it very very funny if it gets granted cert and it would basically be an admission that Null's petition for cert should have been granted if the Supreme court has to take up a case that occurred in part because they refused to even hear a case about a grossly erroneous ruling.

Also it is funny we have a cert watch part of this thread again.

Is it possible the judge wanted Hardin to submit everything by 6/30 so he can "Motion DENIED" everything all at once? If all the submittals on sanctions, dismissals, etc, are filed it seems he can clean sweep it all away with nothing pending. Assuming Greee pays by 6/30, can the judge wipe it clean and then move to discovery again? My fear is that if he was looking at dismissal, Hardin's "judicial economy" argument would mean a lot less moot filings for judge to read. Why does he want to read Hardin's filings if he was going to dismiss anyway? But if he was going to stick it to Josh and KF, he's not going to want trickle in motions over 2 months with approved delays for sanctions/dismissal. Did he make them submit everything so he can wipe it all out on 7/1 and give Greee a brand new slate? Closing all the griping down might seem attractive to judge even if it's lazy.

But really, my take on all of this is that the Judges just want everything in and briefed so they can dismiss it 37 times at once. I'm curious if Mr. Hardin sees the writing on the wall and gets his reply in support of their motion to dismiss in before the last possible day.

I'll say it is absolutely worth considering the more pessimistic outcomes of recent events. I feel pretty optimistic but I've been wrong in the past and been too optimistic.

Your explanations don't make sense to me, but I'm glad to have people willing to say unpopular opinions.

Russ has to up his game if he really wants to piss off the federal court.

The tragic thing about Russ is that he occupies a kind of sweet spot where he is not sooo retarded what he does gets thrown out immediately, but not competent enough for him to be expected to uphold a even semi-reasonable standard. Melinda Scott took a very long time to go from very retarded to that sweet spot. Acerthorn occupies that spot as well but Hardin managed to smack him down before he could do much damage.

 

[Windy Moors]

He wants no excuse - which is why he did it this way.

It's very "I'm counting to three" type - you've already told them what to do, and they've resisted a few times, now it's serious. Next step is the Judge using Russtard's full name!

"RUSSTARD SHITLIPS GREEE! If you do not pay this sanction right now young man, I will send you to bed without any supper." - Judge Daddy.

 

[DragoonSierra]

And as long as I'm wishing, I'd like a million dollars.

I hope you get it

 

[jerkstore]

I hope you get it

a @Sexy Senior Citizen is the most likely of any of us to get it

 

[RodgerDodger]

Can one Federal court ask another Federal court(Nevada) to force their state to prohibit Greee's ownership of any brothels?

Why would they? The local mayors and legislator are perfectly capable of telling the wannabe whoremonger to Fuck Off.

I also think he will pay the sanctions, Greer at least somewhat aware of where he can fuck around and what he has to take

Whatever makes you think he will have $1000 to pay the sanctions by the end of the month? Greer lies. Constantly. About everything. He is Schroedingers IFP. "Is he a broke retard? Or a succesful business having master of whores? You can't tell till you open the box!"

He could not afford the $87 for documents last week. Whatever makes anybody think his $5000 Business money is real?

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

He could not afford the $87 for documents last week.

On that it's hard to say if he didn't have it or he just didn't want to pay it. To me, it seemed more like he didn't want to pay it because he didn't think he should have to, being his usual recalcitrant, asshole self.

 

[Jacknife]

Whatever makes you think he will have $1000 to pay the sanctions by the end of the month? Greer lies. Constantly. About everything. He is Schroedingers IFP. "Is he a broke retard? Or a succesful business having master of whores? You can't tell till you open the box!"

At worst he will cry to daddy and his father will bail him out. or he will offer a payment plan.

-The court will not let this slide
-Greer will not declare bankruptcy

Ergo he will pay

He could not afford the $87 for documents last week. Whatever makes anybody think his $5000 Business money is real?

No idea about the business money but Greer can afford these 87 dollars.

It is just that there is no heavy threat behind this, he got asked like 10 times to provide these documents but there were not any explicit threats like "If you do not bring these documnts until 24.6.25 you will be sanctioned by X"

Greer does not care about implications or vague shit, but a credible, concrete threat from an authority will get him to do shit.