US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

​

Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Add a Verified Certificate for $149

Which is still not even college credit, lol. How generous of them!

 

[Gondolindrim]

It doesn't even make sense in this context. What does -making sure a foreigner is sent back to their country- even have to do with being a virgin?

So -making sure justice is upheld- is now on the same category as being an incel? That's on the same level of retardation as -being successful in life- being a white supremacist only thing

It's like an animal hissing at a predator, it's a desperate last move to try and look like you're unbothered when you are, in fact, quite bothered.

 

[Oeselian Chad]

Counter opinion. The U.S constitution is incredibly clear cut and is deliberately written in extremely simplistic retard language so that even 250 years later it could be understood clearly.

People aren't misinterpreting it they're pretending they don't understand what "shall not be infringed" means.

Correct. It was made with normal people in mind, not jews.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

Here is another thing being ignored by the new FBI director.
Wyświetl załącznik 7409481

Glowies.mp4

Those poor fed boys, being made to work on Memorial Day weekend.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Are we sure this is a humanity problem and not just a standard 'Burger education is woefully inadequate' problem? Because I'm English and I could understand that passage perfectly well. I think a lot of English people could understand that passage perfectly well. I suppose I might be generous and say the problem is that American English and British English have evolved so separately that older examples of British English are incomprehensible to younger Americans, but there's no way I see only 15% of British readers being functionally incapable of understanding that passage.

If you can parse enough to talk back and forth about geopolitics even as shit posts you're likely not typical of younger university demographics to be fair.
I appreciate the spirit of the faith in your fellow countrymen, but it's not that much better between the two.

To the UK's credit I imagine the figures are skewed heavily by the obvious factor of migrants, and ours dinged with the usual suspects.

https://theweek.com/culture-life/books/the-uks-growing-adult-literacy-problem
https://www.oecd.org/en/publication...s_ab4f6b8c-en/united-kingdom_02bc78e4-en.html




The big comparative charts from the second link look encouraging at a glance- beating the US by a decent margin, But the part that bothers me is we've still both got a pretty fucking large population that is still level 2 and lower.
A not insignificant amount of the first world in the modern day still gets completely filtered by basic metaphor, inference and thematic connection.

This and other cases like the "Assume the other person's IQ" experiments where the smug liberal woman got absolutely decimated by their assumption VS reality made me wonder just how much we collectively assume that other people can understand the things we say and the things they themselves experience at the lowest level.
Because it would explain a whole fucking lot when it comes to the endless treadmills of bullshit in the political landscape.

"Did you hear that [person] is [bad man]?"
"Here's a list of things to prove that's not true."
"None of this proves it."
"But it's right there. In detail."
"[person] is [bad man] because [person] that is [good man] told me."


I'm gonna cool the autism and not spam anymore stats on my end, I just wanted to give a fair shake as you raised a good point.
That and the whole thing is bringing me down the more I look at em.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

God that sucks. Where I’m at, the only law on the book still that isn’t federal is you can’t shoot a deer with a machine gun.

>state law bans AR-15s by name in the 90's
>people start buying clones
>no mass shootings, no crimes committed with them, no violation of the law taking place, absolutely no issue
>new AG buttmad that a law she had absolutely nothing to do with and did absolutely nothing to reduce gun crime (handguns are always the problem) wasn't banning the mean evil America gun
>introduces "Interchangeability rule" in mid-2010's that says if your gun is "interchangeable" with an AR-15, it's illegal
>no mention of this anywhere in state law, no legal precedent, bitch just makes it up
>even says "yeah this was the law the whole time so everyone who did this ackshullllyyyy broke the law but I'm such a magnanimous person that I'll grandfather in all the clones teehee"
>no one says anything, local news praises it, partisan legislature claps, partisan judiciary claps, no 2A groups care

 

[quaawaa]

>introduces "Interchangeability rule" in mid-2010's that says if your gun is "interchangeable" with an AR-15, it's illegal

>she doesn’t know about Colt’s high-shelf lowers.
Most clones are not fully interchangeable with official AR-15s made when the ban was passed.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

God that sucks. Where I’m at, the only law on the book still that isn’t federal is you can’t shoot a deer with a machine gun.

Based gun ownership states. The only law on the book for mine is, "If you DO shoot at a deer with a machinegun, just make sure I don't hear it. Or that if I do, you give me the tenderloins."

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

>state law bans AR-15s by name in the 90's
>people start buying clones
>no mass shootings, no crimes committed with them, no violation of the law taking place, absolutely no issue
>new AG buttmad that a law she had absolutely nothing to do with and did absolutely nothing to reduce gun crime (handguns are always the problem) wasn't banning the mean evil America gun
>introduces "Interchangeability rule" in mid-2010's that says if your gun is "interchangeable" with an AR-15, it's illegal
>no mention of this anywhere in state law, no legal precedent, bitch just makes it up
>even says "yeah this was the law the whole time so everyone who did this ackshullllyyyy broke the law but I'm such a magnanimous person that I'll grandfather in all the clones teehee"
>no one says anything, local news praises it, partisan legislature claps, partisan judiciary claps, no 2A groups care

Wyświetl załącznik 7409652

new york has a bill introduced to track 3D printer sales so people can't print ghost guns. it can get worse

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

>she doesn’t know about Colt’s high-shelf lowers.
Most clones are not fully interchangeable with official AR-15s made when the ban was passed.

Please DM me about this so I can learn more. The law specifically targets lowers, as you obviously know.

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

Counter opinion. The U.S constitution is incredibly clear cut and is deliberately written in extremely simplistic retard language so that even 250 years later it could be understood clearly.

People aren't misinterpreting it they're pretending they don't understand what "shall not be infringed" means.

There are a lot of illegal aliens who think they have rights because people tell them that they're protected by the Constitution.
English is the new Latin and the liberals and jews are the priests translating it for the plebs. The right to bear arms is probably going to be about actual Bear arms in the near future.

 

[The Last Stand]

First, I learned what "endowment" means. Secondly, I learned that despite Harvard's high average tuition and generous donors, their federal funding (grants and contracts) amounted of $1.9 billion and $2.4 billion from Biden and Trump, respectively. That's not even accounting for their individual grants and donations.

All this talk about income inequality, Harvard is propping themselves as a resistance against Trump when they are swimming in money that is arguably as much as a few countries' GDP. For EDUCATION.

 

[mold]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is scarcity, economically speaking, that there is a finite amount of resources? In that case, no, we aren't post-scarcity for food, or really anything of worth. We might have a lot of food production capability, but if the population grows enough without increased output, we would eventually run our, since we can't simply replicate food.

in a very general sense, scarcity is about right now. the future is unknowable.

but specifically about food, there is a sad lack of understanding about how the green revolution underpins everything that is going on right now. Food used to be very expensive and now it is very cheap. That is why there are so many people now and it is why specifically there are so many people in totally fucked up chaotic situations that go on and on and on and on, like much of Africa. In the past you just couldn't be that violent and chaotic and keep on keeping on. You wouldn't have enough people, and not just because of outright starvation, also because longlevel substandard nutrition lowers fertility and lowers disease resistance.

Post-scarcity doesn't mean infinite amounts, it means so goddamn much you get closer and closer to too cheap to meter. It's very very difficult to see this as a modern person because we've never known any other world. The one way that people kind of approach how massive (lol) the change is is fat people, we all kind of intuit that a fat poor person is a bizarre phenomenon. Think through why this is: in the past, at this point barely in living memory, even in a orderly, wellgoverned, prosperous state, food was too expensive for a poor person to get enough of it to get fat. Now it's so cheap we can feed the entire earth to keep rapemurdering each other indefinitely.

This will also happen with energy and you will probably live to see it.

 

[mold]

How did people live their lives just fine under feudal monarchies for centuries? That's more to the right than a Bukele-style government, isn't it? I know some people have said before that left-wing and right-wing are meaningless terms, but I'm starting to realize that the concept of centrism is just as meaningless, perhaps even more so because it depends on an idea of "social/political progress" that doesn't exist in reality.

calling a feudal monarchy right wing is like calling the roman empire white supremacist, except worse, because the latter is just anachronistic, whereas right wing refers specifically to attitudes towards the monarchy and things associated with the monarchy in a situation where the king's head is getting chopped off. the terms literally refer to where people sat in the assemblee nationale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(French_Revolution)

if there is an undisputed sovereign monarch right/leftwing does not apply.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

How did people live their lives just fine under feudal monarchies for centuries? That's more to the right than a Bukele-style government, isn't it? I know some people have said before that left-wing and right-wing are meaningless terms, but I'm starting to realize that the concept of centrism is just as meaningless, perhaps even more so because it depends on an idea of "social/political progress" that doesn't exist in reality.

The best analog to Medieval warlords today are the warlords in Africa where all that matters is might makes right. Left, right, center doesn't matter. It is all about who's the biggest, meanest, and most conniving son of a bitch.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

You'll see them coopt the existing ones first. Things like Mr. Beast getting media and brand deals, or them making partnerships with the big vtuber studios, the ones that can "play ball."

Eventually they'll try and supplant it all with their own homegrown ones, of course. Someone created from the ground up to be a "hip, with it, kid" that the audience will love and will sell them things and ideas they want sold to the new masses -- and will never, ever say Nigger.

Isn't that just who Hasan Piker is?

 

[mold]

More on the topic of people getting along: this current era of peace is nothing special, and certainly nothing permanent. The Romans in their Empire eventually grew tired of war, to the point that when Alaric brought his Goths to sack the city of Rome, the locals just opened the gates because they didn't want to fight off the barbarians.

standard warfare practice until the modern era was if a city was attacked it had two choices: submit and negotiate for terms, or fight. If you lost, everything and everyone in the city belonged to the conqueror. this wasn't "being tired of war," it was accepting that defense was impossible in a context where loss meant every single person in the city would be killed or enslaved.

 

[The Last Stand]

If Harvard cares about the integrity of their prestigious education granted from federal funding, they'd happily comply. If they don't, that's on them. I don't care one way or the other; it's rather interesting I'm expected to care where many Harvard students likely have more privilege than the average person.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

Based gun ownership states. The only law on the book for mine is, "If you DO shoot at a deer with a machinegun, just make sure I don't hear it. Or that if I do, you give me the tenderloins."

“It’s only illegal if you get caught.” Is a popular slogan where I live

 

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

calling a feudal monarchy right wing is like calling the roman empire white supremacist, except worse, because the latter is just anachronistic, whereas right wing refers specifically to attitudes towards the monarchy and things associated with the monarchy in a situation where the king's head is getting chopped off. the terms literally refer to where people sat in the assemblee nationale

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(French_Revolution)

if there is an undisputed sovereign monarch right/leftwing does not apply.

This is true, but supporters of monarchy are generally considered "right-wing" within a modern liberal regime - with the exception of the "tyranny vs freedom" definition of left-wing and right-wing, which would place it on the left due to its apparent (by modern standards) authoritarianism.

The best analog to Medieval warlords today are the warlords in Africa where all that matters is might makes right. Left, right, center doesn't matter. It is all about who's the biggest, meanest, and most conniving son of a bitch.

Also true, but keep in mind that "might makes right" is the natural state of mankind. Abstractions like "rule of law", "divine right", or "consent of the governed", etc. are all ephemeral façades placed on top of that basic fact. They rise as a civilization rises, and fall as that civilization falls. This is also observable in the realm of international politics, where the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must.

Don't confuse this for an endorsement of Social Darwinism - I'm not supporting anything of the sort. "Might makes right" is simply a factual statement, not a moral axiom. My original point is that centrism is just as meaningless as left-wing and right-wing, and for a similar reason: because every political tendency, historical era, and cultural locale has its own idea of how normal (i.e. non-radical) governments function.

standard warfare practice until the modern era was if a city was attacked it had two choices: submit and negotiate for terms, or fight. If you lost, everything and everyone in the city belonged to the conqueror. this wasn't "being tired of war," it was accepting that defense was impossible in a context where loss meant every single person in the city would be killed or enslaved.

Well, the Romans were still tired of warfare by the 4th and 5th centuries, simply because their civilization had grown old and rotted, and lost its energy to conquer. The youthfulness of a culture is a metaphysical concept that's impossible to explain in materialistic terms, so I'll just leave it here.