US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

General Trump Banner.png

Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/
 
Ostatnio edytowane przez moderatora:
Motherfucker, did you just fall asleep at the wheel for the last four years? Biden was arresting people for mean things being said about him online. He was censoring doctors concerning COVID, he was going after Catholics. Holy shit, you people are fucking dumb. Really, really fucking dumb.
Passed, endorsed, and fervently full-throated with no spitting defended by Republicans.

Libshits aren't the only retards who ignore history.

Biden did? You mean the tech companies he used to circumvent the law, right? They don't need any of these laws in place to fuck you and they already have databases filled with your personal info.

It's the dumbest fucking faggoty RINO loser thinking that people are stuck in. "We can't ever pass legislature because it could be misused or lead to list keeping so we have to keep degenerate immoral behavior. That causes more immoral behavior"
 
Via Dan Bongino:
>"We are working with the DOJ on the Epstein case and, as the AG stated, there are voluminous amounts of downloaded child sexual abuse material that we are dealing with. There are also victim’s statements that are entitled to specific protections. We need to do this correctly, but I do understand the public’s desire to get the information out there."

Wyświetl załącznik 7349052Wyświetl załącznik 7349062

X/Nitter/Archive
Sorry, to rain on everyone's parade but nothing ever happens. I knew about this about other some people long before anyone knew about this. Guess what happened... nothing.
 
Coinbase/Uphold/Any crypto account requires a ID to simply verify who you are to open a account. Logically a store would require a ID for alcohol/drugs/even porn. Even a Bank would perhaps require a ID for a account.
None of which has anything to do with the government mandating a digital ID and tracking your online activity in order to access the internet.
 
None of which has anything to do with the government mandating a digital ID and tracking your online activity in order to access the internet.
Would you be okay with internet porn being banned outright so that the government wouldn't need to know your history at all? You could still purchase it from a store or a website that has already verified your age and wouldn't need to pass it off to the government.
 
Americans would sooner have the the entire internet locked down to require your face constantly be in view of your webcam than have uncomfortable discussions with their children, but I understand.
It used to be "birds and the bees", but now it's "birds and the bees, bees and the bees, bird and the birds, the bees that used to be birds, the birds that used to be bees, the birds that look like bees, and the bees that look like birds but they got a fucking stinger."
 
It's a good way to cut down on piracy. So it will happen.
Oh sure, we've just been mostly talking about examples of like how the Obama and Biden admins would have used such powers, but this isn't even getting into how the corporations that own the government would utilize that same power either. Or how that would impact websites like Youtube which have lots of music freely available, both in raw form but also in clear fair-use for parody or artistic usage or what have you. Not anymore!
 
I come back to this thread because of the China Trade Deal news, and you fuckers are still arguing about porn?
Holy shit, how did you people survive before the Internet?
There's not a ton on it at the moment. Just that something was negotiated and that more will be revealed tomorrow.

There's some minor news about suppressors?
Sources Say Lobbyist Chris Cox & Rep Kustoff Pushing to Keep Suppressors on the NFA

David Kustoff

This option is the best option for gun owners, yet he is pushing the latter and is against the elimination of suppressors from the NFA.


Rep Kustoff’s constituents include a substantial percentage of gun owners. His push to keep suppressors on the NFA does not make sense unless outside forces are putting pressure on his office to lower the fee to $5 instead of completely removing them from the NFA. Anti-gun groups would be lobbying to keep the status quo, meaning the pressure is most likely coming from the pro-gun side. AmmoLand News has been provided with the name of the lobbyist pushing for a fee reduction instead of elimination from the NFA by our sources inside the House Ways and Means Committee.
At least to start with, but once that precedent is in place there's nothing stopping a future administration from expanding it and building upon it. That's why it's better to just not even tempt fate by going in that direction. It's the same reason why conservatives are against any form of 2A restrictions, no matter what they say the end goal is the complete and total eradication of the rights of citizens to own firearms so they can turn this country into a police state hellhole like the UK or New Zealand.
There is precedent for that position. It's very slow though. In the UK we added our first, what you'd call hate speech law, in the 1980s called the "Public Order Act". Passed under a conservative government, it's main use was to prevent rioting and whatnot by making speech which would incite one an offence (this is due to a decade of unrest in the UK). This is the same law that continued to evolve and get amended, and nowadays is behind the several arrests due to fedposting on twitter and facebook you see come from the UK today.

The why and how of firearm restrictions in the UK might be more applicable. Despite the country's reputation, we did have the right to bear arms since 1689. The first major restriction came in 1920 after WW1, because everybody had guns, training with guns, and weren't very happy with the government. Now you needed a certificate, and could only own a set amount of ammo. '37, more restrictions, and 'self-defence' wasn't a valid cause to own a gun anymore. '68, shotguns also restricted. '88, magazine fed shotguns, semi-auto rifles, etcetera, now banned (following a mass shooting). '97 all handguns were now prohibited following another mass shooting (Should be noted, the mass shootings were done with illegally acquired weapons btw by the mentally ill.)

The main moral I take from this is that banning/restricting something is viewed as the easy option to tackle what is arguably a more complex issue that people or the government aren't willing to tackle. Mentally ill criminals illegally acquired the weapon they carried out the mass killing with? Ban guns (Labour government in UK '97). Alcoholics are beating their wives and children? Ban alcohol (women pushed for temperance on this basis un America). Young men are killing children in unusually high numbers? Ban certain websites (this motivated online safety bill in the UK).
 
One is for jerking off while the other is for gossip and criticism.
what if someone is jerking off to your gossip and criticism? better put an id in front of your posts to protect the children.

However, I have not yet seen anyone post any text from legislation in question which would accomplish that.
so where is the text in the patriot act that allows the NSA to do what it does? and if it's there, when and how was it added?

what really is mindboggling that you have several examples right in front of you, but you honestly seem to think this specific one won't be abused - for some reason. because the government suddenly will go "oh wait that's a step too far with an issue too important"? the same government officials who sign off on puberty blockers, trooning out kids and put men in women spaces? you think they really care about kids that much, and not the power it gives them? unless you believe only "the right guys" will be forever in government to not use it against you and only the other guys, but given this thread and your posts I doubt you're that shortsighted.

Check out the Lolicon/Shotacon Defenders thread sometime in Community Watch. It's an easy defense.

While I do not doubt there are people who use the defense for other topics, thus making their motives consistent, the problem is that if you look in that thread you will see what I am talking about regarding the tendency to use disingenuous defenses on this kind of debate topic.
you mean the thread with the movie-blob tier redditors jerking it to their self-righteousness? that's your example? "anti"-threads are a bad enough circlejerk more often than not, and that one's one of the worst, especially considering it's topic.
I'd be more concerned about the harddrive of those 2-cent dr.pizzas spending way too much time virtue-signaling constantly in that thread and than someone pointing out the slippery slope is real.

even if we entertain your point is right, it doesn't really matter. if a tranny says you shouldn't kick puppies, what you gonna do, kick puppies to prove him wrong because he's a troon?
not to mention there ARE already laws in place to deal with most of the issues people have (like exposing minors to porn) that somehow don't apply, what makes you think another one will, and won't be abused at all?
it's also dumb to assume just because someone arguing in context of a specific topic at the time makes him only care about that specific topic, or worse agree with said topic. "oh Wow, you don't wanna kick puppies? you must be a troon yourself!". you can be both against government overreach and for child-diddlers deserving scaphism, it's not a mutually exclusive position.
 
Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

KWE580.webp

special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
 
I will never share your guys' hatred for porn. Personally, I just think it's a lot of kvetching on the Farms and Conservatives part. I grew up without internet porn and with internet porn and if you think it made a difference, it didn't. Determined children always found a nude magazine. You couldn't stop this. Heck, sometimes parents would just give their kids nude magazines. It wasn't uncommon. You had the XXX Rated TV channels giving blurry signals that kids stared at for hours hoping to see a little boob. I'm not saying there isn't any merit to making it difficult, because there absolutely is. However, any solution to this involves extreme government overreach and further overreach is just foolish. If you trust the government to do anything good with this information, or keep it secure, you're a damn fool. Government roadblocks are never a good thing and I don't know why that changes just because it's porn as opposed to anything else.
I say this because I have seen the effects of porn addiction from people I know personally. And even I am not arguing this on the desire for a flat out ban of porn.

Nothing about this is government overreach. You already have to show ID for shit like buying booze and weed online. Nothing about this is different.

If you are saying that it may cause government overreach boo hoo that's already happening. In fact, you should want this if you are concerned about it. Shit like SOPA/PIPA and COPPA were pushed because we have to operate under the assumption that the entire internet is accessible to children and thus has to be catered towards them. Half the legislation like it would have the wind taken out of the sails if we already age gated adult communities.

EDIT: Also, people have this idea that the only way to do this is to publicly display their full legal name, address and current masturbation streak and there is no way to anonymize/encrypt the data for user privacy.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
It's the dumbest fucking faggoty RINO loser thinking that people are stuck in. "We can't ever pass legislature because it could be misused or lead to list keeping so we have to keep degenerate immoral behavior. That causes more immoral behavior"
I know that using the UK as an example is anathema to Americans, but the bill remaining true to its original purpose/intent would require the party that passed it to remain in power in perpetuity. I made mention in my other post about how it was the Conservative government in the UK who passed the safety and order act in '86 which would eventually allow people to get arrested for their online comments. In '94, is was made even more restrictive by the next Conservative government. When Labour eventually came to power, despite their opposition to the bill at the time, instead of repealing it, they would go on to amend it and make it even more restrictive in nature, somehow being used as a foundation to make it harder to deport foreign criminals in 2008 whilst also making it difficult to even criticise Islam (it covered 'every' religious group but only one seems protected by it) in 2006.

The Patriot Act was voted against down party lines, but did the Democrats overturn it? No. The opposition to the party will find some means to use it to their own benefit, perhaps expanding it beyond its original purpose. Hating porn, but fearing consequences from involving the government on whether individuals can access it online, are both valid positions to hold considering past precedents.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

Wyświetl załącznik 7349211

special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
if he puts an atomic bomb on the dam, can we call it a literal truth nuke?
 
so where is the text in the patriot act that allows the NSA to do what it does? and if it's there, when and how was it added?

what really is mindboggling that you have several examples right in front of you, but you honestly seem to think this specific one won't be abused - for some reason. because the government suddenly will go "oh wait that's a step too far with an issue too important"? the same government officials who sign off on puberty blockers, trooning out kids and put men in women spaces? you think they really care about kids that much, and not the power it gives them? unless you believe only "the right guys" will be forever in government to not use it against you and only the other guys, but given this thread and your posts I doubt you're that shortsighted.
I find it hard to take you seriously when you follow it up with this:
you mean the thread with the movie-blob tier redditors jerking it to their self-righteousness? that's your example? "anti"-threads are a bad enough circlejerk more often than not, and that one's one of the worst, especially considering it's topic.
Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?
 
Trump is busy making sure his next tweet has enough haki to break the three gorges dam, probably laying out the chyna trade deal so the chinamen can't do givesies backsies and release covid-20:

Wyświetl załącznik 7349211

special contender could be suspending habeas and americans are allowed to round up illegals for sport, 500 a head when they get put on a plane.
trump is well known for his truthfulness and reliability, i'm sure it's gonna be super important
 
I find it hard to take you seriously when you follow it up with this:

Let me ask this question: do you think lolicon and shotacon porn should be banned? Or is that free speech, too?
does it matter? or let me put it this way, do you think kicking puppies makes you a troon?
and if you stopped reading there, there's even more follow-up you conveniently ignored.

nice deflection btw, now show me those excerpts from the patriot act.

Nothing about this is government overreach. You already have to show ID for shit like buying booze and weed online. Nothing about this is different.
post your porn history or other shameful things you did in the past, unless you think buying booze and weed is equally "bad"
it's the same retarded take as "hurr it won't affect you if you got nothing to hide", followed by "hurr you're already getting fucked unlubed, what's taking it an inch deeper anyway".

porn addiction is almost always a symptom, not the cause. a government ban won't suddenly make those people "right" nor prevent it from fucking up their life in the future.
 
Wstecz
Top Na dole