Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[ConSluttant]

Rate me late, but here are my conversation highlights. I had a stupid FIRE ALARM go off mid-hearing. Aaargh!

Re. 228:
Judge - I got the impression that you had provided the documents the court ordered you to produce? Help me understand why you wouldn't have access to your own court records - that's beyond me! ... You just said a moment ago that Hardin didn't give you notice that he wanted the protective order. I think a motion to compel was pretty clear communication that he hasn't gotten it. It's just FACTUALLY INCORRECT that you didn't have notice. Help me understand.
Russ - I'm sincerely sorry but it has no relevance to this case. I have been stalked. That's why I never provided it.
Judge - The problem is that by not responding to the motion, you've waived the ability to argue that its not relevant.

Re. 234 - Rule 11 sanctions over lying about Steve:
Russ - I have PHOTOGRAPHS of Joshua posting my copyrights online. Thre is something seriously weird with this person and the court needs to stop it!
Judge - I understand from your perspective, but you have to pursue it according to law. When you make representations to the court, they have to be correct... But when we don't investigate and have a solid basis for it, then we go through the process of determining if those allegations are true. People spent time and money and they weren't true, and that's what I'm going to have to do here and figure it out.

Re. 245 - discovery stay:
Hardin - A moment ago Mr. Greer said he was overzealous in who he said had discoverable information, but not these folks who have never been disclosed. I think that this is WILDLY inappropriate that he is confessing to a rule 26 violation.

 

[Gregis]

Is there any concrete, external reference to any James Jorton or any of the things he allegedly did, other than just shit Greer has slurred in court/excreted in legal documents?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

If I see this mentioned again, I am threadbanning you

 

[SCV]

Is there any concrete, external reference to any James Jorton or any of the things he allegedly did, other than just shit Greer has slurred in court/excreted in legal documents?

iirc the actual denial for the records request was filed at some point.

He's going to pay the fee, and he's going to produce the documents.

New Poll? Fee/Production, Fee/No Production, No Fee/Production, No Fee/No Production?

 

[A Random Lurker]

Reading between the lines, it feels like Magistrate Judge Bennett may look at this case somewhat more critically than he has up until this point.

Call me optimistic but I agree, right at the begining of the meeting when discussing Russ's failure to produce the restraining order the judge seemed shocked when Hardin told him Russ never gave him anything beyond the case number and that the judge was under the impression that Russel had provided the record even if it was one denying the restraining order.

Russel losing IFP is a big win, from what I remember from the order one of the biggest reasons the district judge decided on $1000 sanctions was Russel's IFP status and going forward Russell loses that shield. I doubt any of the new ones going forward are going to be hitting above $5000 max but like 3 more sanctions were being discussed against Russel.

 

[Provably Wrong]

In addition to my live notes, I do feel somewhat hopeful about the magistrate judge's attitude as a general impression.

What I recognize from listening to SC arguments is him asking seemingly critical questions to prod the party they agree with to provide the answer they want to hear. I was particularly struck by how he moved from the rule 11B arguments onto discussing the sanctions if he were to grant it ("Two parts: violation, we just talked about that. Next: what do we do about it"). Overall there was very little pushback to Hardin; just a mild admonishment along the lines of "we don't need to go around nitpicking every detail of discovery" which is a fair point if there are already multiple case ending Swords of Damocles hanging over shitface anyway.

In general he asked Hardin to summarize a motion or situation, which the judge accepted and then asked Greer about, forcing everyone to listen to some random unrelated complaints and apologetics in drooltongue, followed by the judge explaining why that is stupid and then basically concluding with whatever he had probably already decided to do to start with. So barely any disagreement with anything Hardin said, many disagreements with Russell. As to Russell, he seems to come from the "assuming everyhing you say is true, you are still doing it wrong" position. Which is not as good as "you should be in jail for what you are doing here" but I will take it.

Edited with relevant quote.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

iirc the actual denial for the records request was filed at some point.

Which Mr. Hardin referenced in the hearing. So did Russ.

 

[Tiresome]

Not enough pails in the world to hold all the seethe-drool tonight.

 

[Quioui]

I am still reeling from the speed at which Greer answered positively to
"Mr Greer, do you have the ability to pay the filing fee as of now?"
"Yes!!"
Not a single second of delay, as if bragging of his financial stability to a flirting woman.
"Well then, I'm going to order you to pay"
[5 solid seconds of silence]

The Magistrate did bring out the tard gloves, asking him to confirm it wouldn't break his short term finances to pay now, but he didn't dare to back down.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

pay the TOLL
or
dismissed in FULL

I am still reeling from the speed at which Greer answered positively to
"Mr Greer, do you have the ability to pay the filing fee as of now?"
"Yes!!"

I think he's so used to whores asking "can you actually pay, you gimp-faced retard" that he replied "yes" before his brain even got into gear.

 

[DavidS877]

Is there any concrete, external reference to any James Jorton or any of the things he allegedly did, other than just shit Greer has slurred in court/excreted in legal documents?

Yes. ECF 250 Attachment 3

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68847149/250/3/greer-v-moon/

The first page is Russ drooling, the 2nd page is from the Utah State District court mentioning Jim and his request for the files.

 

[talk talk talk]

I was really hoping to hear Drooltongue explain how he was simultaneously the King of the Pimps--the next Iceberg Slim--and too damn poor to pay $400 to sue the Farms.

I'll take the result we got--pay the filing fee or the case gets dismissed--but it's not nearly as funny.

 

[ScooterL]

have you noticed how Hardin says "Russtard" twice without so much as cracking even a hint of a smile?

Professionalism.

the real winner would be removing ECF from russ

He doesn't have it. He emails a clerk, per local agreement in Utah, iirc.

Will a recording be posted

It's posts like this that make me think that maybe stickers do have a legitimate purpose.

Hardin did a great job articulating the Defense's position, even when pressed by Judge Bennett.

There was an idea that Hardin would get a ceremonial reaming to create an appearance of objectivity, but it didn't seem to happen.

Greer is so fucking stupid he didn't realize he needs to depose Null.

I'm imagining Russell trying to organize a deposition, and it's funny.

 

[RodgerDodger]

How dejected Rusty sounded when he admitted to the judge he could pay the fee was awesome. I could just see him thinking "Now I'll never get me my penis sucked!..."

The Judge led him into a trap. He didn't rule against Russ's IFP status. He got Russ to tell the court that he was not actually IFP. He even gave him an offramp which Russ missed. He cannot appeal it. Because he did it. He told the court repeatedly he can afford to pay. He just doesn't want to.

Russ is not having fun anymore

Besides filing fees being payable are there any other consequences to revocation of IFP status?

If the answer is likely to tip Shitlips off on how to proactively counter it, nevermind.

Well the most obvious is it is likely to piss of Barlow, the District Judge. Who arbitrarily slashed the poor widdle IFP Pro Se retards sanctions because he was IFP.

And Bennet just told Greer that any question of appeal bonding those sanction fees and delaying them needs to be asked of Barlow.

So Russ now owes the $400 filing fee + the $1000 sanctions. All due in the immediate time frame.

From what I have been able to gather there look to have been a few more notable things that happened today above and beyond what Bennet ruled on. More things that he apparently took "Judicial Notice of"

1. The Plaintiff lies. A lot. He lies to the court a lot. And does not seem to understand how or why this is bad or even improper. "He can pay filing fees but doesn't want to" the Steve Taylor" shit. Etc. Bennet clearly noticed this. And that it is a broad behavior pattern.

2. The Judge openly realized that this lawsuit has nothing to do with Copyright. With a side helping of he's seemingly started to realize that the Plaintiff is a paranoid nutbag who is seeking vengeance against mean things said on the internet. I cannot see this ending well for Shitlips. Russ's bizarre claims of phone hacking stalking and such seemed to annoy the Judge. Understandably.

3. Dismissal was never on the table for this hearing baring some astonishing event. But it likely now is on the calendar. Heck Russ might be better off cutting his losses, not paying the filing fee so he can eat, and letting it die that way. Rather than forking over all of his net worth to still get dismissed for any of the extremely valid reasons now before the court. Granted Russ is not known for his ability to make good financial decisions. Or any good life decisions.

 

[Null]

He's going to pay the fee, and he's going to produce the documents.

It's really clear to me that Greer does this Randall thing where he tries to become an incomprehensible burden to anyone getting in the way of what he wants, and is a total suckup to anyone who can give him what he wants. So, when it comes to dealing with Hardin, he's belligerent beyond belief. When the Judge says something, he will do what he asks to the letter (but not much more). This has probably been true his entire life, all the way back to school.

 

[Windex]

just a refresher, this is what Russell stated to Mr. Hardin on the subject of restraining orders (today, he classified his false claim as an “error typing on his phone”)

“Again, I'm happy to provide the copy of the restraining order I filed against Joshua Connor in 2018 in Utah (funny how you didn't mention that).
I'm also getting ready to meet with the police to bring charges against Joshua Connor moon for him coordinating stalking against me. I can provide you the police report too if you want.
So those are like the only two documents relevant to this case.”

 

[ScooterL]

Heck Russ might be better off cutting his losses, not paying the filing fee

Not a lawyer, but I am not convinced this would insulate him from liability for the costs his antics have created.

 

[Sneed Force One]

'm also getting ready to meet with the police to bring charges against Joshua Connor moon for him coordinating stalking against me. I can provide you the police report too if you want.
So those are like the only two documents relevant to this case.

Invoking Rekieta here, I invite Greer to find a single instance of Jewsh instructing users to fuck with Greer.

 

[AnOminous]

3. Dismissal was never on the table for this hearing baring some astonishing event. But it likely now is on the calendar. Heck Russ might be better off cutting his losses, not paying the filing fee so he can eat, and letting it die that way.

There are no fewer than three matters under advisement that could result in a dismissal. First, there are the two sanctions motions. The third is failure to pay the filing fee. Dismissal under the third is mandatory as it divests the court of jurisdiction.

When Russhole either briefs his opposition to the motion to dismiss or fails to respond, there will be a fourth.

 

[Billy Bong]

So it's about $1200 ($1144?) and produce or case dismissed if I have it right. That was awesome.
Listening to Gorloc's obsequious, yet arrogant at times mushmouth was totally awesome too.
Overall, 10/10. Props to Hardin and the judge for never cracking up or screaming 'What the fuck did you just say?'
Great hearing