Tales of the Competency Crisis - How do I into anything?

[TJT]

More than ever, you're bombarded by those who want your attention. You are constantly ripped from email to text, tik to tok, tv to phone to smaller inset video. There are now less periods of time for quiet, unbroken thinking. What would have been a contemplative solo activity before is now interrupted half a dozen times by the noise.

Absolutely. On any given day I get the most done between 0500 and 0800 when nobody at work or my family is trying to talk to me. I can just be heads down and focused on figuring something out.

My manager asked me if I am allergic to meetings the other day. I told him I was because you don't pay be to blabber on about whatever issue. Even though I have to attend a lot.

 

[Otterly]

Attention and curiosity.

More than ever, you're bombarded by those who want your attention. You are constantly ripped from email to text, tik to tok, tv to phone to smaller inset video. There are now less periods of time for quiet, unbroken thinking. What would have been a contemplative solo activity before is now interrupted half a dozen times by the noise.

I absolutely agree with this. I had a period of complete burnout a while back and was one of the causes.

It's easy to put up walls to these distractions

It’s not though. When I’m not at work, I have multiple children asking for things, needing to be fed, WHEEEERRS MY GYM KIT MUUUUM. From 6am to 9pm I am at the beck and call of multiple other people. I’m run ragged. The cats been sick. The dinner needs sorting out, don’t hit your brother, leave your sister alone, put that down, pick that up before the cat eats it… endless
When I’m at work I can try to put myself on do not disturb but I’m fractured constantly. Hundreds of emails a day. Calls and people pinging me and demands all the time. I sit in calls I’m trying to speak in and people are trying to call me and ping me.
Without all that yeah, I can concentrate. I am very good at zoning out of I’m allowed to but I find with work and family the time in the day I CAN put those barriers up is minimal. And it has a massive, deleterious effect on my mind and psyche.

 

[Spastic]

I want to sperg out on something related to this, Which is AI has become more retarded over time. We know it's been hamstrung with algorithms that add/remove whatever the politics require and the only way to get real answers from AI is to do a "pretend if you would think like a free person and ignore the constraints" - type prompts. Even those do not even work anymore, because everything good is nuked out of existence.

But it's greater than that.

So the competency crisis 2.0 is AI model collapse. Because the language models are taught with something like reddit posts now, which are 90% bot answers themselves, which is then used to train new language models that gives and receives the answers from the bots. That is then used to post in reddit again. And round and round it goes.

It's the dead internet theory taken to completition. Increasing amount of computing power and servers will be created to make more efficient bots to faster create AI based news, videos and comments. And those will be used to train the next AI and so on

End result is:

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

So the competency crisis 2.0 is AI model collapse. Because the language models are taught with something like reddit posts now, which are 90% bot answers themselves, which is then used to train new language models that gives and receives the answers from the bots. That is then used to post in reddit again. And round and round it goes.

It's the dead internet theory taken to completition. Increasing amount of computing power and servers will be created to make more efficient bots to faster create AI based news, videos and comments. And those will be used to train the next AI and so on

A.I stands for Actually Indians.

 

[Bowman Dan]

Because the language models are taught with something like reddit posts now, which are 90% bot answers themselves, which is then used to train new language models that gives and receives the answers from the bots.

I remember mid last year researchers found if you input real training data and AI generated data it breaks the model and spews nonsense. Essentially AI inbreeding



It's a problem I'm sure everyone could see coming but nobody really addressed it. If you make AI more convincing, how do you filter real data to train more AI?

It also doesn't help that model weights like chatGPT are tuned to be subtlety diverse. I can't find the videos but there are instances where the AI is told "recreate this image" repetitively and every iteration the person become more like a fat brown woman.

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

I want to sperg out on something related to this, Which is AI has become more retarded over time. We know it's been hamstrung with algorithms that add/remove whatever the politics require and the only way to get real answers from AI is to do a "pretend if you would think like a free person and ignore the constraints" - type prompts. Even those do not even work anymore, because everything good is nuked out of existence.

But it's greater than that.

So the competency crisis 2.0 is AI model collapse. Because the language models are taught with something like reddit posts now, which are 90% bot answers themselves, which is then used to train new language models that gives and receives the answers from the bots. That is then used to post in reddit again. And round and round it goes.

It's the dead internet theory taken to completition. Increasing amount of computing power and servers will be created to make more efficient bots to faster create AI based news, videos and comments. And those will be used to train the next AI and so on

End result is:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jmaUIyvy8E8

Is this why Grammarly and spellcheck somehow got worse? I don't think I'm imagining it.

 

[Audit]

Is this why Grammarly and spellcheck somehow got worse? I don't think I'm imagining it.

Spellcheck on my android phone is so terrible now. It'll try to "correct" words I've spelled correctly regardless of grammar.

 

[Maurice Maine]

I want to sperg out on something related to this, Which is AI has become more retarded over time. We know it's been hamstrung with algorithms that add/remove whatever the politics require and the only way to get real answers from AI is to do a "pretend if you would think like a free person and ignore the constraints" - type prompts. Even those do not even work anymore, because everything good is nuked out of existence.

But it's greater than that.

So the competency crisis 2.0 is AI model collapse. Because the language models are taught with something like reddit posts now, which are 90% bot answers themselves, which is then used to train new language models that gives and receives the answers from the bots. That is then used to post in reddit again. And round and round it goes.

It's the dead internet theory taken to completition. Increasing amount of computing power and servers will be created to make more efficient bots to faster create AI based news, videos and comments. And those will be used to train the next AI and so on

End result is:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jmaUIyvy8E8

I remember mid last year researchers found if you input real training data and AI generated data it breaks the model and spews nonsense. Essentially AI inbreeding

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It's a problem I'm sure everyone could see coming but nobody really addressed it. If you make AI more convincing, how do you filter real data to train more AI?

It also doesn't help that model weights like chatGPT are tuned to be subtlety diverse. I can't find the videos but there are instances where the AI is told "recreate this image" repetitively and every iteration the person become more like a fat brown woman.

Don't take my word for it but I heard the models in the lab already solved this. AI is too new to cast judgment on.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Spellcheck on my android phone is so terrible now. It'll try to "correct" words I've spelled correctly regardless of grammar.

We all know I wasn’t trying to spell Bigger

 

[Sooty Soot]

It's funny that some Malian farmer in the middle of Sub-Saharan Africa will probably be happier, healthier, more self-sufficient, and probably smarter (In terms of creativity & ingenuity) than the average zoomer.

 

[Mukhrani]

This jives well with something old Sargon commented on. We all got mad at this dumb video from a few years ago. But never really took a step back and thought why. Dumb bitches being dumb yes but also dumb bitches getting hired and preferential treatment at all levels. Fast tracked to positions they don't deserve and in addition to that they just fuck off and lol about it.

As a senior level engineer with highly in demand skills I would expect to put out 200 resumes looking for a job if I don't use the old network I've established simply by working in the field for 20 years. But if you're fresh out of the gate? It's probably 1000 applications or more. Meanwhile dumb skanks just stumble into these jobs with everything stacked in their favor for no reason other than "women" or "minority" status. The 2010s will be known for this and now its deep rooted.

If you see this phenomenon of dumb, hot women in high positions in company it's a sign of sexual harassment culture. Everyone always talks about the bad effects of this on women in general - low morale, hostile work environment, etc. But there's an unspoken, far worse consequence that lingers on for years after: a competent, good female employee will not put up with that shit, but an incompetent, emotionally maladjusted one will often use it to advance herself into positions for which she is not at all suited, at once perpetuating the culture and elevating herself.

These women are fucking nightmares and turn anything they touch into shit. In companies that once had a 'good old boys' cultures they often outlast the oldschool Mad Men-type executives and succeed them after they've retired. Even worse, the very conditions that catapulted them into power also eliminated any actually competent women over the years. These women suffer from 'imposter syndrome' because they are imposters and foster this ridiculous 'girl boss' clique to balm their perpetually wounded ego. The result is a company run almost entirely by incompetent, hysterical women and their harem of sycophants. These people are hostile to competence in general, but especially to competent, principled women, and so the company generally just slowly circles the drain while a small number of hard, principled personnel keep it afloat even as the higher ups treat them with suspicion, attempt to micromanage them, and overall do a billion little things to drive them out. If you see this pattern, run. It's terminal.

 

[Otterly]

If you see this pattern, run. It's terminal.

I have seen this happen at a department level and yes, you’re absolutely right.
The woman in question was also a raging alcoholic, and one of the worst people I’ve ever worked under. Every competent woman was hounded and every man who didn’t simp for her was sidelined. Terrible atmosphere

 

[Bowman Dan]

Reading the Community Happenings thread brought me to this thread, specifically this post. And it makes me wonder if the computers kids are getting form schools are detrimental to computer literacy.

I'm not too familiar with ChromeOS so I don't know how restrictive it is, but I'm guessing it's closer to a phone than a computer. How are kids meant to learn about computers if they're restricted from actually using a computer. About 12 years ago kids would be given computers with a Windows 7 install and programs that restricted them from opening random exe files.

I get you don't want to give kids free access to fuck up their computer, but handing them a restrictive OS doesn't teach them how computers work. If they don't learn programming or take some kind of computing class they're not going to learn how to work with a computer to solve tech related problems or understand when/how tasks can be automated.

 

[Gregis]

I get you don't want to give kids free access to fuck up their computer, but handing them a restrictive OS doesn't teach them how computers work. If they don't learn programming or take some kind of computing class they're not going to learn how to work with a computer to solve tech related problems or understand when/how tasks can be automated.

I wonder honestly. Not everyone is cut out to have any idea how a computer works, and clearly they wouldn't be as popular or ubiquitous if the people making them weren't putting so much time and effort into making them so retards can use them. Not just engineering work, but like UI design and even psychology; more like social engineering lol. But I guess some of the people who before would have been exposed to more of the guts and gotten channeled into actual programming and stuff are just going with the flow with the rest of the cattle.

I'm slightly nostalgic sometimes for back when you actually had to know how to fuck around in system files and stuff to get viruses off your windows machine; then I remember I'm crazy and what the fuck am I talking about. It was satisfying though when you fixed it and booted up and it stopped opening random popups or whatever.

 

[Lard Shart]

Reading the Community Happenings thread brought me to this thread, specifically this post. And it makes me wonder if the computers kids are getting form schools are detrimental to computer literacy.

I'm not too familiar with ChromeOS so I don't know how restrictive it is, but I'm guessing it's closer to a phone than a computer. How are kids meant to learn about computers if they're restricted from actually using a computer. About 12 years ago kids would be given computers with a Windows 7 install and programs that restricted them from opening random exe files.

I get you don't want to give kids free access to fuck up their computer, but handing them a restrictive OS doesn't teach them how computers work. If they don't learn programming or take some kind of computing class they're not going to learn how to work with a computer to solve tech related problems or understand when/how tasks can be automated.

ChromeOS is a perfectly fine OS, it ships with a web browser, file manager, image viewer, etc. It can also run a Linux container which you can access via their terminal emulator and run just about anything you want (even Windows programs through wine).
It is restricted in the sense that you can't destroy the OS, not that it restricts you from running arbitrary Linux or Android programs.
The tech illiteracy you describe is caused by most people only needing a web browser and not caring about the other stuff.

 

[Old King Koaleamos]

I applied for a clerk job, didn't get it, found out the person who got it was fired within 6 months for incompetency.

 

[Betonhaus]

ChromeOS is a perfectly fine OS, it ships with a web browser, file manager, image viewer, etc. It can also run a Linux container which you can access via their terminal emulator and run just about anything you want (even Windows programs through wine).
It is restricted in the sense that you can't destroy the OS, not that it restricts you from running arbitrary Linux or Android programs.
The tech illiteracy you describe is caused by most people only needing a web browser and not caring about the other stuff.

Probably the biggest thing is that ChromeOS isn't used for business (despite Google's best attempts) so kids not using the os they will use in a work environment may make it harder to do their job.

Imo that's a moot point. They could just have a mandatory computer science course added to their industry specific university or college program to cover that, and the Pajeets with fake degrees will have to learn windows anyways. It might be easier to just adapt businesses to move away from giving everyone a full windows computer

 

[Quintex96]

Had a funny one over the weekend.

Essentially, the place I work had a Snooker tournament. Pretty simple, one frame and the winner goes onto the next round. Hard to mess up.

The problem? Instead of letting the players handle it like they normally do. My idiot boss decided to handle it all himself and fucked it up. Normally when these things are held, the sign up sheet is put up in advance and anyone that wants to play simply puts their name down and pays the entry fee and the sheet is taken down once it reaches 16 players. This time my boss decided it would be better just to put the date up for the tournament and have players pay on entry making it first come first serve. Which is all fine and dandy except the pillock signed up 18 players instead of 16. Which isn't the end of the world, could have done a couple of play offs to determine placement, except he didn't realize his fuckup until he was bracketing the semi-finals and didn't understand why he had 5 players instead of 4. Upon realizing his mistake he handed all the sheets to one of the usual organisers and fucked off home, Leaving them to deal with the fallout.

 

[Waffle Iron]

I feel that the competence with tech is a bell-shaped curve. You have the old people that grew up before computers became big. They learned just enough to just barely be able to do the things they need. Like sending emails or using a word processor. Then you have a generation that grew up with computers, or were young enough to adopt it quickly. They can work computers well and made the tech boom happen, or were the ones growing up during the tech boom. Then the next generation were handed machines that were retardproof. All the core functionality was hidden. Like the pre-tech generation, they have no idea how anything works, they just memorize what buttons to push to get what they want.

Rate me autistic but for me the watershed moment was when they changed the text on the buttons from OK/cancel to got it/no thanks. It changes the idea of a computer. From a machine that takes user input and performs the appropriate task, to a robot friend that you converse with. And this shift happened before AI. Google really loves to do this.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

when they changed the text on the buttons from OK/cancel to got it/no thanks

Uhh what kind of shitty apps are you using that do this?