Trump administration contends it has no duty to return illegally deported man to US - The administration’s position suggests officials do not view the Supreme Court’s order as compelling them to seek Abrego Garcia’s return.

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A member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus holds a picture of Kilmar Abrego Garcia during a news conference last week. | Alex Wong/Getty Images


The Trump administration insisted Sunday that it has no legal obligation to arrange for the return of a Maryland man illegally deported from the United States, arguing that a Supreme Court ruling last week only requires officials to admit him into the country if he makes it back from a high-security prison in El Salvador.

Justice Department lawyers told a federal judge that they don’t interpret the Supreme Court’s Thursday ruling — that the administration “facilitate” Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s release — as obligating the administration to do anything more than adjust his immigration status to admit him if El Salvador’s government chooses to release him.

With El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele set to meet President Donald Trump Monday, DOJ attorneys argued the courts have no power to require the administration to engage with the Salvadoran government to reach a diplomatic solution. They contend such a potential order would amount to a violation of the separation of powers and an intrusion into what they allege is unfettered presidential power to conduct foreign relations.

“All of those requested orders involve interactions with a foreign sovereign — and potential violations of that sovereignty,” Justice Department attorneys wrote in a seven-page submission to U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis. “[A] federal court cannot compel the Executive Branch to engage in any mandated act of diplomacy or incursion upon the sovereignty of another nation.”

The administration’s position suggests officials do not view the Supreme Court’s order as compelling them to seek Abrego Garcia’s return. The Salvadoran native entered the country illegally around 2011 and had been living in Maryland. The Trump administration has admitted it deported him to El Salvador in violation of a 2019 immigration court order barring his deportation to that country. Though Abrego Garcia was denied asylum, a judge found he could not be sent to his home country because of a legitimate fear of persecution by a local gang.

The administration continued Sunday to flout a Friday order from Xinis to deliver “daily updates” to the court describing its efforts to return Abrego Garcia to the United States. Sunday’s update from Evan Katz, the assistant director of removal operations for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said the administration had “no updates” for the judge. A day earlier, in a similarly threadbare update, the administration turned to Michael Kozak, the State Department’s senior bureau official in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, who said Abrego Garcia was still alive in El Salvador’s CECOT prison.

The administration is also bucking demands from Abrego Garcia’s attorneys that officials detail the arrangement to ship hundreds of foreign nationals to a notorious prison in El Salvador. One of the Sunday filings insists those details are classified and could be subject to attorney-client and state secrets privileges.

“It would be inappropriate for this Court to hastily order production of these sensitive documents,” Justice Department lawyer Drew Ensign wrote.

The administration also said it would resist efforts by Xinis to demand testimony from officials about their thinking on Abrego Garcia’s potential return, saying such disclosures “could interfere with ongoing diplomatic discussions — particularly in the context of President Bukele’s ongoing trip to the United States.”

Still, the administration’s narrow view of its obligations under the Supreme Court’s ruling appears to up the stakes of a hearing Xinis has scheduled for Tuesday afternoon to assess the steps officials are taking to arrange for Abrego Garcia’s return.


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Don't be a child. It is very easy to comply with it, they simply do not wish to.


No its actually pretty hard. Trump would have to first decide he's going to go against his own goals. Then he's going to have to find a way to pressure Bukale who doesn't want to give up this man back and look soft and a puppet who just dances whatever tune the US decides. This would cost Trump a decent bit of political capital and potentially piss off an ally which the Dems are always complaining he really needs to curry favor with. And in the end all he would get is his enemies rather than being grateful for Trump granting something they've asked for turning around and laughing at him and saying he caved in. Thats a pretty hard thing to go through.
 
You're being naive because it suits. And you also fail to see the broader implication of the Administrations refusal to follow the orders of the Supreme Court in this matter.
The Supreme Court does not dictate foreign policy. It has no jurisdiction in El Salvador, and no power to order Bukele. The man was never an American citizen, and he was always subject to a foreign power. The order is judicial overreach, and it's wrong.

Perhaps the judiciary should consider the implications of making unenforceable orders in cases that are outside their jurisdiction. It damages their credibility.
 
You're being naive because it suits. And you also fail to see the broader implication of the Administrations refusal to follow the orders of the Supreme Court in this matter.

Again exactly how is Trump not complying with the Supreme Court? The left keeps making up things they want Trump to do that the SC never actually said and say he's not following them.

Lets grant you that Trump needs to force Bukale to give mr illegal back. Then he should come back just long enough to have his illegal status verified in front of a judge then sent right back to El Salvador again. He's an illegal. He has no right to be here. The order for protection against the gangs shouldn't apply anymore because Bukale decimated them. The question of his guilt or innocence in gangbanging does not give him a free pass to live in America for the rest of his life. If you want to cry about how Garcia is innocent blame the media for turning this procedural matter that should rightfully be hashed out in El Salvador into an international antiTrump/Bukale plank instead of allowing him to be quietly processed and eventually released.
 
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Again exactly how is Trump not complying with the Supreme Court? The left keeps making up things they want Trump to do that the SC never actually said and say he's not following them.

Lets grant you that Trump needs to force Bukale to give mr illegal back. Then he should come back just long enough to have his illegal status verified in front of a judge then sent right back to El Salvador again. He's an illegal. He has no right to be here. The order for protection against the gangs shouldn't apply anymore because Bukale decimated them. The question of his guilt or innocence in gangbanging does not give him a free pass to live in America for the rest of his life. That the media managed to get people to equate the two together shows how dumb they are.
You're arguing his character and status, the Court has made it clear he is entitled to not have been deported in the first place and should not have been sent. Your argument Trump (of all people) is powerless to do anything is absurd, and the courts find the argument amusing.

It is not whether he is a USA citizen is the question for the Administration, it is merely their willingness which is lacking.

And again, you have failed to grasp the consequence of the argument that the US Government is "powerless" when it comes to an another country. In fact, I find that downright Autistic funny, first time I've ever used that coin of term on KF because your position on the powerless US government is...just so absurd.

If the Administration wants him back in the country he will be here in 24 hours. But they don't.
 
If he had not been tried already, found guilty (twice!) and punished (by deportation), the US could extradite him for trial. But he has already been tried, convicted, and punished, and returned to his country of origin. It's over.

It's notable that even if he were accused of an additional crime and the US requested extradition, Bukele could STILL say no. Many countries refuse to extradite their citizens to the US, as is their right as sovereign nations.
 
Sir, I am going to help you out.

The guy you are arguing with, formerly known as Menoraur aka Fattoraur, has not only power levelled about having a premature heart attack but also about having a Jewish mom.

Yes, like in USPG 2 you have an ethnic Jew desperately wanting a violent illegal returned in America to terrorize decent human citizens. This has literally happened in two separate threads in the past 24 or so hours.
 
OK, let me paint the picture for you. The bullshit argument from the Administration is a person outside of the country is outside of jurisdiction. Untrue. But they are saying pretty much this. It isn't his status or right to be here that is in question, it is their position they can not facilitate the return of a person in another country.

So let's for a moment say - as an example - Trump doesn't like Null, and his ICE agents say they have a report on file he is a terrorist. They grab him, put him on a plane and send him off. Can happen, because whether or not he proves his citizenship is irrelevant from the fact that ICE doesn't have to ask to put him on a plane - they can just do it. Once he lands lawyers argue you can not deport a Citizen. The Administration agrees, says sorry but states because it is already done and the person is outside the country, that they will naturally "facilitate" their return by of course letting them cross the border when they turn up.

Trump has already indicated he'd like to export "homegrown problems". And enemies of other people in this country will file false reports to see people they want charged or kicked out.

You can circle back to this when other cases start to pop up, but the argument the US Government is powerless to have him returned is utterly ridiculous. And arguing whether or not he should be here, belongs here etc. is irrelevant to the court ruling. That argument in by itself is material, but not the relevant point in compliance with the court order.
 
US-born Leftchuds are terrified at the prospect of themselves being disappeared and sent to El Salvador, which won't happen because they're multi-generation+ citizens and White (a pity) and because El Salvador is way too small to hold them all (also a pity). Truth is, the best place to export them is Hell and that's worse than Mexico no matter what the wetbacks say.
 
US-born Leftchuds are terrified at the prospect of themselves being disappeared and sent to El Salvador,


Actually? I think they know this is impossible, and what they're trying to do is whip the public up so they win the midterms and then possibly get another shot at impeachment for "deporting innocent men to deathcamps against court orders!!!!!!!!!one!!!!!!"
 
Only (certain) Americans will unironically defend the right of an illegal immigrant to not be deported.
 
OK, let me paint the picture for you. The bullshit argument from the Administration is a person outside of the country is outside of jurisdiction. Untrue. But they are saying pretty much this. It isn't his status or right to be here that is in question, it is their position they can not facilitate the return of a person in another country.

So let's for a moment say - as an example - Trump doesn't like Null, and his ICE agents say they have a report on file he is a terrorist. They grab him, put him on a plane and send him off. Can happen, because whether or not he proves his citizenship is irrelevant from the fact that ICE doesn't have to ask to put him on a plane - they can just do it. Once he lands lawyers argue you can not deport a Citizen. The Administration agrees, says sorry but states because it is already done and the person is outside the country, that they will naturally "facilitate" their return by of course letting them cross the border when they turn up.

Trump has already indicated he'd like to export "homegrown problems". And enemies of other people in this country will file false reports to see people they want charged or kicked out.

You can circle back to this when other cases start to pop up, but the argument the US Government is powerless to have him returned is utterly ridiculous. And arguing whether or not he should be here, belongs here etc. is irrelevant to the court ruling. That argument in by itself is material, but not the relevant point in compliance with the court order.
This one is Salvadorean (only) citizen, held in El Salvador by Salvadorean authorities, for (IIRC) on charges related to crimes committed in El Salvador. How exactly he got back into El Salvador is irrelevant at this point, by every international law and agreement they have the first dibs on him.

The only thing they can do now is go after whoever put him onto that plane, and try to prove that Cheeto Hitler personally ordered them to do so (lol).
 
is irrelevant to the court ruling
The court ruling says nothing about 'returning' this citizen of El Salvador, held by the sovereign power of El Salvador to the United States, and nothing about 'effectuating' such a thing. The order states the US must 'facilitate', which is a legal term of art that means 'put up no internal barriers' so if he were to show up at a border crossing he'd have to be let in for his deportation hearing and then immediately deported back to El Salvador.

What, are you going to try quoting Sotomeyer's snide side comments like they are the order of the Supreme Court?
 
US-born Leftchuds are terrified at the prospect of themselves being disappeared and sent to El Salvador, which won't happen because they're multi-generation+ citizens and White (a pity) and because El Salvador is way too small to hold them all (also a pity). Truth is, the best place to export them is Hell and that's worse than Mexico no matter what the wetbacks say.
Maybe if we can trick them into renouncing their citizenship…
 
The court ruling says nothing about 'returning' this citizen of El Salvador, held by the sovereign power of El Salvador to the United States, and nothing about 'effectuating' such a thing.
The court ruling states that the government acknowledged the prior withholding order for Abrego and that it was illegal to send him to El Salvador. The argument they used in court was that since he is allegedly a member of MS-13, he would be a danger to the United States and they can’t return him.

The government is dragging its feet at every step and saying they have no power to handle this case when that’s bullshit. They can request El Salvador to pull this guy out of prison, detain him at a port of entry, get his withholding order retried now that El Salvador is a safe country, and boot the illegal out of the US.

Instead, it’s an endless back and forth of delays and denials until the Supreme Court makes a ruling and kicks the case back down to the district court. It’s a waste of taxpayer dollars and court time to deal with one single illegal.
 
Instead, it’s an endless back and forth of delays and denials

What is the fucking point then? If the end result is him back in CECOT then the issue is moot. Its all manufactured fake drama. Like Miller said, nobody in the media gave 1/10 of this attention to the countless innocent Americans butched by illegal invaders like this guy.

The government is dragging its feet at every step and saying they have no power to handle this case when that’s bullshit.

Again, this is an EL SALVADOREAN CITIZEN in the custody of EL SALVADOR. Bukele was in the White House, he was asked point blank, would he return this criminal? (Pam Bondi said they'd provide a plane and security even.) What did Bukele say? "This guy is a criminal in my country and we are not releasing him." What does the Court expect, a full blown Seal Team Six invasion of CECOT to kidnap a citizen of a foreign nation from the custody of his home country?
 
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