Serious LGBT Discussion

[Doktor Grimm]

I've never been interested in rectally sodomizing either sex (it always looked like a war crime outside of the cartoons), so it's good to get confirmation that the psychology of it works in the way you're describing.

Anal is something you have to be introduced to, one way or another. A lot of exclusive fags aren't into it from the beginning, because there are so many points of resistance -- both physical & psychological -- that you have to struggle past in order to even get off the ground.

The experience of it is unlike any other type of homosexual activity in that control of the situation lies with the superior party, as opposed to the subordinate. In more pedestrian variations of sodomy, it's the hierarchically "lower" half of the act in whom trust is placed; he's the one whose hands or teeth are within striking distance of a sensitive part of another person's body; he dictates the proceedings. It's a mutual give-and-take, in which you voluntarily assume an inferior position in exchange for responsibility.

Buttlove offers no such recourse. The subordinate is the one who has to give his trust to a potentially dangerous person. It differs in a number of other ways, too -- it's the only male-on-male sex act that can be physically pleasurable for both participants, it hurts (badly) for the person on the receiving end, and yet, paradoxically, you have to release tension in order to make anything happen (that's how those muscles work). The giver is the captain and the navigator, and the recipient is at his mercy, in hopes of being lead to something; in this sense, it begins to resemble a very different kind of relationship.

I do wonder if the men of the thread find any one form of sodomy repulsive in a unique way, or if it's all just varying levels of the same general ick.

Studies should be done on the motivations that men and women troon out. We don't have any numbers, it's kind of a silly argument.

When it comes to TiMs, Blanchard was right -- about the dual typology, I mean, not anything else. Either something happens to them before puberty to make them internalise the "woman" role, or they psyop themselves into developing an emasculation fetish later on (which seems surprisingly easy to do, for some reason). The lines do blur a little when you introduce porn & stuff into the mix, but I can say with confidence that these are the two motivations and they result in markedly different kinds of tranny behaviour.

Pooners are a different breed entirely. You probably can't screw up a girl's development in a way that makes her think she's actually a man, so I'm left to believe that the yaoi gooners are the only ones who actually want to be male and the rest are either trying to become un-women or hurt themselves.

 

[Whatevermancer]

it's the only male-on-male sex act that can be physically pleasurable for both participants

What about rubbing dicks together or 69'ing?

 

[Doktor Grimm]

What about rubbing dicks together or 69'ing?

touché

I think it's a distinguishing feature nonetheless

 

[California Newt]

it's the only male-on-male sex act that can be physically pleasurable for both participants

I can think of three off the top my head—one, if we're being sticklers about what counts.

What about rubbing dicks together or 69'ing?

Yeah that's what I was thinking, plus one other.

In more pedestrian variations of sodomy, it's the hierarchically "lower" half of the act in whom trust is placed; he's the one whose hands or teeth are within striking distance of a sensitive part of another person's body; he dictates the proceedings.

Again, my mind is flush with counterexamples. I get what you mean, though.

I do wonder if the men of the thread find any one form of sodomy repulsive in a unique way, or if it's all just varying levels of the same general ick

I'm not who you're asking, but I have the ability to grow back some of my natural repulsion (the scab heals if I don't pick it for a while), so I have some ability to answer.

Everything else is on a scale from "ick" to "that's funny", but anal is the one that makes you wince.

Anal is something you have to be introduced to, one way or another.

Yeah it always seemed like the major initiatory ordeal for that whole sphere. I understand Crowley called it the Eye of Horus or something. It makes sense that that's the one that "counts" as "sex" when it's all just rubbing arbitrary parts together.

You'd think if any of them "counted" it'd be the one with actual genital-to-genital contact, but no.

I think that tells you something about the spirit of it.

 

[Jacques1194]

I have a question for the gays here. What are your thoughts on the people who come out and claim to be gay in their 30s after having biological kids with the opposite sex? I've seen so many online "queer" people claim that it doesn't matter what age you come out, your sexuality/identity is valid "blah blah blah" and I can't for the life of me understand this. The only way I can see this is if you were forced to marry someone you didn't love in an arranged marriage, but if you're an adult that has free will of their own, why would you marry some guy, have two kids later, and then go "Actually, I might be a lesbian". There would have had to of been some attraction to the guy if you got married, and had two kids at least. It just screams attention seeking behavior but according to the queers online "They were always gay but didn't figure it out until after marriage and children"

 

[Hooked on phobics]

There are male troons who develop gender dysphoria because of trauma or abuse, pooners who are legitimate autoandrophiles, and there are both males and females who troon out because they developed a gender-bending fetish as a result of trauma or abuse.

Honestly this is why understanding it is hard, as its a lot like a knot of pathology, twisting and turning on itself, all connected, but not always in clear ways, and usually so tightly wound together its difficult to deal with.

Like sometimes it starts as trauma, than becomes sexual, sometimes its maladapted strategy of autism like chris chan, sometimes its PURE fetish like finnster, and in some cases like jazz jennings, (imo) they are almost entirely a victim to demons surrounding them.

Sexual variants in troons are probably most likely, and I suspect pooners are more often rooted in insecurity, but both probably have roughly equal parts autistic fucks who fall for it. Seen too many trannies who are just dumb-asses/already mentally ill, and perhaps you COULD say its "sexual" for them, but I'm not always sure, and since these people are usually invalid to give consent because their mental faculties are shit, them being sexually addicted is REALLY, REALLY bad. If someone is too fucked to consent to sex, sexual impropriety addicting them is kinda hopeless for them to fight against, since they one, cannot GRASP the harms, and 2, cannot resist even if they could.

Its why shit like THIS

Fucking enrages me, its teaching mentally ill men to wear "pretty dresses" to get boners, teaching them its ok, they get addicted, and then sending them into womens spaces while horny from their fetish. And they are too stupid to understand why its wrong, and think people freaking out "unfairly" hate them.

I have a question for the gays here. What are your thoughts on the people who come out and claim to be gay in their 30s after having biological kids with the opposite sex?

Not gay, but basically my mother did this. She married my dad, had kids, divorced, then came out as a raging dyke. I think they often do this because its easier / similar to getting an adoption / IVF? So they do it to get the kids out of the way then do it later.

what they don't respect is that when you have kids especially, you aren't the most important person anymore, and so this crap creates massive problems for the family. Troons do this too, perhaps more catastrophically.

But TLDR, its proof that they CAN have sex with the opposite sex but """prefer"""" the same sex, and value their sexual degeneracy over family. Its to get kids established, basically using the other person.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Sexual variants in troons are probably most likely, and I suspect pooners are more often rooted in insecurity, but both probably have roughly equal parts autistic fucks who fall for it. Seen too many trannies who are just dumb-asses/already mentally ill, and perhaps you COULD say its "sexual" for them, but I'm not always sure, and since these people are usually invalid to give consent because their mental faculties are shit, them being sexually addicted is REALLY, REALLY bad. If someone is too fucked to consent to sex, sexual impropriety addicting them is kinda hopeless for them to fight against, since they one, cannot GRASP the harms, and 2, cannot resist even if they could.

Its why shit like THIS

Fucking enrages me, its teaching mentally ill men to wear "pretty dresses" to get boners, teaching them its ok, they get addicted, and then sending them into womens spaces while horny from their fetish. And they are too stupid to understand why its wrong, and think people freaking out "unfairly" hate them.

Studies have been done, aside from the oft repeated claim that autists are overrepresented amongst troons, only 60% or so of autists identify as heterosexual.

It seems to me that autistic people are less likely to grasp that homosexuality is abnormal and disgusting and unhealthy than normies are, even if the normies are too scared of the backlash to admit their innate homophobia out loud.

The whole concept of "neurodiversity" is retarded for that reason alone, autists being less likely to resist being groomed into weird, unhealthy alternative lifestyles.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

It seems to me that autistic people are less likely to grasp that homosexuality is abnormal and disgusting and unhealthy than normies are, even if the normies are too scared of backlash to admit their innate homophobia out loud

My theory on that is actually they fail SO BADLY in mating that since same sex people are likely More friendly to them, they redirect lust that way. Kinda hard to lust to someone who treats you so distant, like I know a lot of women keep distance with/kinda infantalize autistics for sexual safety. Much easier to see yourself banging someone who might reliably say hi. And I don't just mean individuals, but like the opposite sex entirely.

Come to think of it, I think this might be an influence for pedophilia, if someone is like 15-20 and somehow their social circle is limited to children (this can happen if someone is kinda a loser who's also put on babysitting duty) since it's just further socializing as a child in a way. It certainly makes sense for the likes of dansburst, I could TOTALLY see him just incapable of making normal friends and so being the routine babysitter for 3 years in puberty til the mix of MLP and hormones drove him nuts.

Really parents who make their kids incapable of making friends I think are OBJECTIVELY worse that ones that beat them, hot take.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

Studies have been done, aside from the oft repeated claim that autists are overrepresented amongst troons, only 60% or so of autists identify as heterosexual.

It seems to me that autistic people are less likely to grasp that homosexuality is abnormal and disgusting and unhealthy than normies are, even if the normies are too scared of backlash to admit their innate homophobia out loud.

The whole concept of "neurodiversity" is retarded for that reason alone, autists being less likely to resist being groomed into weird alternative lifestyles.

I dont think that that is it. I think that the reason that the percentage is so high is because a lot of autists are obsessed with labels. They think that not being horny 24/7 makes them asexual and not feeling super masc and gender euphoric makes them non bianary. They don't get that not everything sex-related is its own sexuality, and that there are only 4 sexualities. Straight, bisexual, gay, and asexual (really really rare. Like >1% of the population. If your think that you are this you are probably just retarded and confused).

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I dont think that that is it. I think that the reason that the percentage is so high is because a lot of autists are obsessed with labels. They think that not being horny 24/7 makes them asexual and not feeling super masc and gender euphoric makes them non bianary. They don't get that not everything sex-related is its own sexuality, and that there are only 4 sexualities. Straight, bisexual, gay, and asexual (really really rare. Like >1% of the population. If your think that you are this you are probably just retarded and confused).

Yes, that, along other problems, makes them more likely to be groomed into said gross alternative lifestyles.

 

[Poopson]

Quite a lot of troons believe that any and all troonphobia (especially in Western countries) is the result of Russians, Chinese, Iranians and their Third World satellites brainwashing or paying off people and once those countries are obliterated/subjugated by the West everyone will go back to being a bleeding heart leftie who would die for a troon with no second thoughts.
Why is this the case with tranners? What makes them think that people don't like them just because some autocratic government told them that trans are yucky?

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Why is this the case with tranners? What makes them think that people don't like them just because some autocratic government told them that trans are yucky?

The LAST thing they want to admit is that they are innately disliked. This is actually applied to really all of the LGBT, fags, troons, I think to a certain extent it even applies to shit like sexual impropriety like sex outside marriage and interracial, albiet on much more reduced aspects, in that they do make society a little more difficult in ways, or can.

But thats how they do that. They say it because admitting that basically they are universally hated is too painful, so they cope with "NO NO NO, its just the Russians...and chinese.... and muslims....and christians.....

Basically they would rather try to frame it as YOU being the problem than ever admit whats actually up. And this is a lot easier to do if you frame it as "its just because your X". Basically a non religious homosexual philipino man saying he hates trannies would be their kryptonite, because then they obviously have no counter.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Basically they would rather try to frame it as YOU being the problem than ever admit whats actually up. And this is a lot easier to do if you frame it as "its just because your X". Basically a non religious homosexual philipino man saying he hates trannies would be their kryptonite, because then they obviously have no counter.

And here in the west, where we believe in the separation of church and state, the LGBTQ desperately wants to believe that all opposition to homosexual or transgender lifestyles originates from religion, Abrahamic religions in particular. That way they can argue that anything from laws that prohibit sodomy, to any refusal by the state to affirm homosexual lifestyles the same way they'd do heterosexual marriage, is a violation of church and state, or is dangerously close to establishing a state religion or some shit.

If anything, they're actually even more aggressive in response to non-religious arguments against their ideas than they are towards religionists who sincerely consider homosexual acts to be sinful. They work even harder to drown those out, almost as if they consider those to be a bigger threat.

It should be quite telling that even atheistic communists have found ample reason to hate gays.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

If anything, they're actually even more aggressive in response to non-religious arguments against their ideas than they are towards religionists who sincerely consider homosexual acts to be sinful. They work even harder to drown those out.

You aren't wrong, but this is because they know people being "transphobic" are the mass majority. Religions and certain ethnicities can be blamed as especially bad, but that's why I mentioned a non religious gay philipino, since this isn't even just John Everyman, but statistically what would probably be WAY more supporting. And it looks far more damning.

But basically they function best in subverting when anyone against it is made to seem small, unreasonable, insane, foreign, ect, and convincing everyone they are bad if they express it. It's why they say "you don't have to say it", not because they are offended you think it, they want you to feel like you will be rejected for it. You, and millions of others.

Really it's almost impressive in its psy op effect, convincing a majority to accept what at base instincts even children reject, by INSISTING it's a disgusting minority to be bigoted, but psychology backs this up.

I remember a study or perhaps cia experiment, Where a picture was passed around a room showing a triangle. Everyone was asked to say what was on the paper. Everyone IN ON the experiment said square, then the last guy would cave and say it too, despite knowing it's a triangle because the perception of going against a mass majority would overrule it. Even if he had the nerve to say it's a triangle, you now had 30v1 saying he's retarded, and he'd probably cave anyway.

I think trannies try using this method too, by controlling media, friend circles, institutions, ect. And if you look at the past decade, I'm sure you'll see it too. Glad it's stranglehold is failing though.

 

[Meow Mix Fan]

I have a question for the gays here. What are your thoughts on the people who come out and claim to be gay in their 30s after having biological kids with the opposite sex? I've seen so many online "queer" people claim that it doesn't matter what age you come out, your sexuality/identity is valid "blah blah blah" and I can't for the life of me understand this. The only way I can see this is if you were forced to marry someone you didn't love in an arranged marriage, but if you're an adult that has free will of their own, why would you marry some guy, have two kids later, and then go "Actually, I might be a lesbian". There would have had to of been some attraction to the guy if you got married, and had two kids at least. It just screams attention seeking behavior but according to the queers online "They were always gay but didn't figure it out until after marriage and children"

They like to cite "comphet" for this. Allegedly, society pressured them into performative heterosexuality. I don't know, on one hand I want to be sympathetic but on the other hand it does feel like attention seeking behavior. The impression I get is that they want to be special and oppressed in some way to have a free pass for their bullshit and being gay is in this grey area nowadays where most people are fine with it, but there's a vocal minority they can point fingers at and say "They want us dead!" without acknowledging that things are pretty good for the gay community even compared to say 40-50 years ago.

It's a minority class they can easily and suddenly identify with and has very little actual repercussions in most parts of the world.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Figured I'd crosspost this, its a diagram about paraphilias and how they get worse / feed into themselves. Can apply to everything here so I figured I'd post it.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Martyrs

Nowadays, you have the World Bank threatening countries like Uganda and Ghana into being more LGBT friendly, further cementing the average African's perception of homosexuality being a tool of foreign interference.

I seriously have to quote this here because the post was just so perfect for this thread. The reason why Ugandans hate homosexuals so much. Not only are they angry at the west for trying to cram sodomy down their throats, they also associate it with a tyrant from their past who persecuted christians, in part because he felt that the christians were depriving him of his favorite sex toys.

We can see plenty of examples in the west of both gays and troons being creeps who have zero concept of personal boundaries, plenty of examples of them disregarding the rights of others whenever they feel the least bit slighted.

But this takes the cake. A faggot in a position of power who persecuted and murdered christians because he was angry that his favorite sex slaves weren't so eager to take it up the poop chute after having the Gospel taught to them.

 

[California Newt]

It seems to me that autistic people are less likely to grasp that homosexuality is abnormal and disgusting and unhealthy than normies are, even if the normies are too scared of the backlash to admit their innate homophobia out loud.

It's easier to get into through 2D than 3D, especially if you don't use human faces.

Even aside from that, think of the difference between a tube site and a booru like e621 or rule34. On tube sites there's usually a "gay" option you can click in the upper left-hand corner of something that takes you to the gay version of the homepage, where you'll be jumpscared by a bunch of extreme horrible fetishes first-thing. Even if you get past that and try to search for something relatively mild, the search can never seem to filter out everything that'll make you gag. On a booru you can start with hyper-vanilla, zero-penetration comics about two dragonites from Pokemon or whatever with plots ripped right out of a > be me, straight greentext.

It's night and day, really. I don't know how much things have degenerated by now, but ten to fifteen years ago if you used a booru (or had even heard of one) you were an autist.

I think that what you're saying is true, that being said. I've known a few who were "boyfriends" online for years until they met up and realized neither was a cartoon rabbit.

 

[bearycool]

holy shit, I can't believe this thread I made is still going. thank you all for contributing your voices and thoughts on this vdisucssion even after all this time.

 

[Volcanic Viper]

Been racking my brain about this for a while. The longer I've been using the site, the more homophobic (and also racist lol) I've felt but I've thought many times to myself, "am I actually homophobic or do I simply dislike that gayness is now politicized?". Considering I have gay friends in my life whom I consider very close, I can't say I truly dislike gay people; I just can't find it in my heart to simply hate someone simply for liking the same sex

Though I do slightly resent fags for being ground zero for trannydom.