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Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
He literally signed the pardon live, they were smart and worded it in a way where he just had to do it once and basically go "see attached".

Joepedo's 1/20 pardons read like a last minute CYA someone (Hunter) made and just needed to get done. It's Homer delivering his taxes at the last minute and then it bounces into the "severe audit" bin.
 
And that will be interesting to find out, we have an accusation of something pretty serious..if Roberts blurts out "It will be fine" while taking Obama's dick up his ass (again) then we learned something new.
I don't think they can let this pass, pretty sure only the SC would have authority to oversee this kind of dispute. Trumps taken an action, someone will have to file to have that action suspended, so if they say "Nope not hearing it" then that'd be the dispute thrown out, Trumps action stands. They'll have to issue a ruling if they want the pardons to stand, right?
 
If people who were pardoned for crimes sure. If only the "I didn't do a crime but pardon me anyway!" people were nullified then nah. That's a good thing too because "prepardoning" is BS.
Prepardoning isn't too egregious of an action, assuming that it is still outlining a fairly well defined circumstance. "Hunter Biden is pardoned for any activities involving or stemming from the Ukranian company Burisma." It sets a well defined "something criminal likely happened involving this specific circumstance, but don't touch it." It covers the activity well enough that conclusions can be drawn, but still leaves them open for unrelated shennanigans. Otherwise you'd end up with the judiciary sitting on crimes and waiting for a favorable executive to bring down the hammer to make it stick longer. On paper blanket pardons are completely legal, they just come off as extremely suspect.

Trump watched his father die to altzeimers. He won't go after Biden, not like that.

Biden's legacy? Biden's family? The swamp creatures squirming around his admin? They're all fair game.
Biden's no longer a threat, not worth spending the time to prosecute him tbh. His political capital is gone, and he doesn't have the mental capacity to assist the Dems in game plans. By the time they got a conviction he'll probably be dead anyways, and if not, locking up a vegetable doesn't feel as satisfying. The infestation of lively bureaucrats and their leadership is a much more pressing matter.
 
A lot of his first term mehness was him assuming he could cut a deal with the dems and the Rinos. Only to learn the dems would fight to the death to oppose him and the Rinos would subvert his good will to get their people into power to stymie him.

This is in stark contrast to Trump of his second term. He's not fucking around anymore, and he's done playing bullshit games. Once he finally realized that he'd never get anything done if he spent most of his time groveling to the Democrats, it was full steam ahead. All he had to do was just let them run their mouths.
 
Same with the news stories about "Trump voters" not realizing that he was going to deport people and regretting voting for him.
That argument was insane. “The largest deportation program in the history of the US” was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign.

Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
That was just one document, an executive order he signed on his first day.

IOW, can't wait to see what happens after the 2028 elections! I wonder who gets the pardons, and if DOGE will stick around after Trump leaves office for good.
The executive order formed DOGE as a temporary organization with an 18 month death clock. It ends on July 4th 2026.
 
I'm not an expert on the history of the pardon but has any president other than Biden done the whole "I'm pardoning this person for any crimes they may have committed in the last twenty years" thing?

I'm guessing no due to the large amount of controversy from both sides when he did so.
Not to this extreme. There has been blanket pardons before and pardons expanding a long time, what he gave Hunter has to be some sort of record. But keep in mind that what Biden did is allowed because the power of the pardon is damn near unlimited.
 
Joepedo's 1/20 pardons read like a last minute CYA someone (Hunter) made and just needed to get done. It's Homer delivering his taxes at the last minute and then it bounces into the "severe audit" bin.
I'm not convinced it was Hunter either. Joe bends over backwards to defend Hunter. I think you guys are all overlooking how this story might've been started. Trump's tweet is far more telling than I think people understand. If you read between the lines a little bit, it heavily seems to imply the order of events went something like this. In a conversation between Trump and Biden, Biden tells Trump he doesn't know anything about these pardons. He didn't sign them. Someone else did. He was just as surprised as us. He mentioned this to Trump casually, and he says he'll look into it. Trump has someone look into this and they find almost all of them were signed with auto-pen. Hence the tweets. It doesn't make sense for Trump to specifically say Joe had no knowledge of this without having spoken with Joe first before announcing this.

All it takes for Joe Biden to destroy this case is him coming out and simply saying "He's wrong. I knew about the pardons". It's incredibly irrational for Trump to come out and make such an insane claim unless he discussed this with Joe first.
 
McGregor being smart and using "muh heritage" to make some of the brainrot NE liberal irish americans realize what's happening "in me homeland, boyo"

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Now if Trump is correct in this Accusation then we should definitively have a discussion about it, and the Autopen in general, I do not mind a world in which the President does have to sign everything by hand, You know if this shit is THAT important that it has to happen perhaps..you know the President should actually be forced to sign it manually.

There should literally be a law that requires this. Presidential pardons are a big ass deal.
 

That's probably not going to fly. Presidential pardons are generally considered absolute, they're supposed to be the final safety check for justice under the Constitution. And Presidents have been using the autopen since Johnson or Nixon. He's going to have to prove a literal InfoWars conspiracy that a shadowy cabal of advisors were running the country without Biden's knowledge. I doubt he'll be able to prove that to anyone's satisfaction, without a high level inner circle turncoat. But nobody in Biden's team is motivated to do that.
 
I don't think they can let this pass, pretty sure only the SC would have authority to oversee this kind of dispute. Trumps taken an action, someone will have to file to have that action suspended, so if they say "Nope not hearing it" then that'd be the dispute thrown out, Trumps action stands. They'll have to issue a ruling if they want the pardons to stand, right?
If they ignore it they could always choose to hear it when it's inevitably brought back to their door after the conclusion of the investigation/trial imo
That was something I said a while back. I don't really care if these people are punished but I absolutely want them investigated and dragged through the courts so the facts of what they did can be brought to light and used against their allies come election time
 
The only way they can possibly be overturned (and even that's a stretch) would be if they can prove Biden didn't even know about the pardons and someone else signed. I believe the President should be able to direct a proxy to turn on the autopen if a thousands docs need to be signed for example. So long as the President is aware of what is being signed in his name. Nobody really expects a modern President to sit down and sign hundreds or thousands of autographs every day, his time is too valuable.
If that's the case then shouldn't the president still sign a document that lists everything that was signed with an autopen?
 
The executive order formed DOGE as a temporary organization with an 18 month death clock. It ends on July 4th 2026.
At least Trump and Elon get to end it on their terms. And probably won't have to worry about all that money going back to their recipients the minute a Democrat gets the chance to do so.
That argument was insane. “The largest deportation program in the history of the US” was a cornerstone of Trump’s campaign.
And we have yet to really see left wing militias and gangs of illegals vs ICE and the US military. Kind of surprised we haven't seen anything get to that point.
 
This is in stark contrast to Trump of his second term. He's not fucking around anymore, and he's done playing bullshit games. Once he finally realized that he'd never get anything done if he spent most of his time groveling to the Democrats, it was full steam ahead. All he had to do was just let them run their mouths.
His political opposition mocked him in 2015, tried to obstruct him from 2016 to 2020 and then they had the bright idea to try to ruin his life from 2020 to 2024. In a way through his interactions with it, the deep state has pushed Trump in a certain direction to make him become its very own nightmare.
 
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