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Autopen, by itself, doesn't prove much, though at least one Biden staffer came forward and said that Biden didn't sign those pardons (other staffers apparently dispute this)
The only way they can possibly be overturned (and even that's a stretch) would be if they can prove Biden didn't even know about the pardons and someone else signed. I believe the President should be able to direct a proxy to turn on the autopen if a thousands docs need to be signed for example. So long as the President is aware of what is being signed in his name. Nobody really expects a modern President to sit down and sign hundreds or thousands of autographs every day, his time is too valuable.
 
Nothing short of a SCOTUS ruling would make Donald Trump back down from this, and even then, an unfavourable SCOTUS verdict would probably lead to Trump invoking the precedent set by Andrew Jackson flouting the SCOTUS verdict
I’m at a loss as to why no one here considers that

A) the entire media has just ignored that Fauci literally funded the COVID pandemic and lied the entire time facilitating one of the biggest crimes in human history and

B) Trump isn’t going after BIDEN. His argument has been (if you follow anything you’d know this) that not just pardons, but EO’s and legislation were done by staff that was actively hiding that Biden was unable to perform his duties. The issue is with the people using Biden.

C) and maybe most important, Trump and his team are fully aware of what is constitutional. It seems they are the ONLY ones that are. We’ve watched one circuit court judge after another publicly shit all over the constitution, the separation of powers, and subvert the will of the voters. All while the Supreme Court does absolutely nothing. So consider this might be another way to not only force the pardons of criminals like Fauci to be front and center again, but also force the Supreme Court to earn their paycheck for once.
 
The only way they can possibly be overturned (and even that's a stretch) would be if they can prove Biden didn't even know about the pardons and someone else signed. I believe the President should be able to direct a proxy to turn on the autopen if a thousands docs need to be signed for example. So long as the President is aware of what is being signed in his name. Nobody really expects a modern President to sit down and sign hundreds or thousands of autographs every day, his time is too valuable.
>So long as the president is aware
That’s the issue Cornpop
 
Trick question. One hand implies your dick is too small for two.

When you're large and pendulous enough you don't need to use your paws, the weight, length and girth produces a nice arch that perfectly positions your stream to spray directly into the bowl or urinal. It makes phoneposting while pissing completely possible, and helps me stay active in my favorite threads.

Does a pardon actually even prevent an investigation? Even if he can't convict is sentence them, an investigation into his they're all cock smoking faggots would still be in the public interest of transparency.

Typically you can refuse to cooperate with a lot of investigations by claiming your 5th Amendment rights, but if you've received a pardon and aren't in jeopardy, those rules don't apply and you can be compelled to testify/cooperate. This might not work for investigations by States, as the state could theoretically charge you with separate state crimes, but still - thats a lot of room to maneuver for investigations. Depending on your aims, the pardon might actually not be that big a deal, like if you just want to score political points and expose corruption.

I have not found any compelling reason why the president has this power, only that it was a holdover from the old ways of life. I can’t imagine the founding fathers expected the power to be used on pedophiles and mass murderers like what Biden did but that’s how they wrote it.
Its the ultimate form of mercy, reserved for the Executive as a check against the Judicial Branch and Legislative branch. It is meant as a safeguard to keep people from getting railroaded by judges and prosecutors, or messed up Congressional laws that the people find abhorrent, exercised through their representative the President. So for example if the prior administration launched a bunch of politically motivated cases with the help of activist judges in a place with a tainted jury pool to chokeslam as many of their political enemies into jail for as long as possible then the President would have the means to release them from prison (commute their sentence) or erase their conviction entirely (pardon). You know, like with the J6 political prisoners.
 
That depends. If Trump is arguing that he can overrule Biden's pardon because Biden was not mentally well - then, no, he cannot do that. The 25th would have had to been invoked during Biden's term. If Trump, on the other hand, argues that it wasn't Biden that signed the pardons, then, yes, Trump can do that...supposing, of course, that Trump can prove that was the case. Autopen, by itself, doesn't prove much, though at least one Biden staffer came forward and said that Biden didn't sign those pardons (other staffers apparently dispute this)
I'm still of the camp that this information came from Biden himself. Trump's tweet announcing this seems to insinuate he's already discussed this matter with Joe. I know we don't have any concrete evidence yet, but I don't know why he would say this if he hadn't already discussed this with Joe himself. I mean why announce this at all if Joe himself is going to come out of the woodwork later this afternoon and say "I totally signed those pardons and there's paper copies somewhere" and just nuke the case from orbit? It doesn't make any sense.
 
Worth keeping in mind that legal immunity only extends to government action. If you admit to being a pedo, and the government decides to pardon you on being a pedo, then the public can still refuse to interact with you for being a pedo. Not so much a risk for people already with friends in high places who evidently don't care about it, but for normal people its a hell of a thing. Just look at people like Rittenhouse, deemed innocent in a court of law, still persecuted by the people for their perceptions on the matter.
Being attached to a high profile case will fuck anyone's life up regardless of court outcome or pardon. But having the goverment off your ass is a great first step to being able to move on and rebuild your life.
Trick question. One hand implies your dick is too small for two.
The answer is no hands because touching any dick is gay as fuck.
 
"How do you do my fellow Trump voters? Aren't we all just so angry he's doing exactly what we voted for?!"
I love seeing these posts. The left relied on tactics like this for decades so they've got no fall back to rely on. Same with the news stories about "Trump voters" not realizing that he was going to deport people and regretting voting for him.
 
Finding out how the Judicial Branch feels about someone accusing the Executive Branch's Minions potentially using the Auto Pen to Forge the President's signature without telling him will be interesting at least.
 
I find it 🧩-ally amusing that the Night Lords pfp is a retarded nevertrumper 'SBU Cow Retrieval Operator' doomer disconnected with reality while the Salamanders pfp is the opposite. Really living up to the themes of Humanity vs the Ruinous Powers.
 
Finding out how the Judicial Branch feels about someone accusing the Executive Branch's Minions potentially using the Auto Pen to Forge the President's signature without telling him will be interesting at least.
If Roberts decides to hear it at all. Roberts is batting 0-3 when it comes to anything that will consequentially hurt the Deep State. He's happily voted for everything red as long as it doesn't touch his bank roll masters.
 
Zero chance this actually holds up. The president has the power to issue unconditional pardons. Using an electric pen instead of his hand to make the signature makes no difference. Sorry to anybody who wants to see fauci in prison, but remember that whatever power you give to your side, it will be used by the other side when the pendulum swings in that direction
IOW, can't wait to see what happens after the 2028 elections! I wonder who gets the pardons, and if DOGE will stick around after Trump leaves office for good.
But if the pardons were issued without Biden's knowing or approval then they are pretty much a forgery. The President has the power of pardon, not random staffers with an autopen.
If staffers did go off, I can see how there's something to be looked at.
"I'm totally going to release the Epstein Files!"-style smoke and mirrors to distract from his dumb ass tanking the economy.
Also, hasn't anything that could be considered as part of the "files (Epstein's black book, flight logs for Epstein's private plane) already been made public?
The greatest sin that Joe Biden ever committed was being the only person to defeat Donald Trump in an election when he ran in 2020.

Joe Biden winning and holding the presidency for four years straight is something that MAGA, the GOP, far leftists/communists/tankies, and most importantly, Donald Trump will never forgive.

Trump lived four straight years in embarrassment as a pariah, under constant legal pressure, and Biden pardoning his family and people that Trump waged culture wars against, like Anthony Fauci basically stole away the catharsis Trump wanted to feel by waging lawfare against them. Trump has been president for almost two full months and he STILL cannot get the taste of Joe Biden's dick out of his mouth.

He will forever have to live with the shame of having lost four years worth of attention to an aged, slowed Joseph R. Biden. A year from now, two years, three years, even up until inauguration day 2029, he'll still be seething about Joe Biden. It's fucking pathetic.

Imagine trying to spin Joe fucking BIDEN of all people into some kind of 64D chess criminal mastermind. That worked for Hillary Clinton because people had a natural distrust of Hillary Clinton, it didn't work on Grampa Joe, and it will never work on Grampa Joe. All Bondi would be doing is wasting taxpayer money on cases that can't even go to trial, all because Trump is still asshurt that he took an involuntary 4 year sabbatical from the presidency.
Chris Chan vs the team of Mary Lee Walsh and Michael Schneider, reincarnated. I'm here for it, baby.
 
If Roberts decides to hear it at all. Roberts is batting 0-3 when it comes to anything that will consequentially hurt the Deep State. He's happily voted for everything red as long as it doesn't touch his bank roll masters.
And that will be interesting to find out, we have an accusation of something pretty serious..if Roberts blurts out "It will be fine" while taking Obama's dick up his ass (again) then we learned something new.

Trumpers here think Trump used his hand to sign all of his 1,600 Jan 6 pardons?
That is kind of not what is being accused here, I don't think anyone really has an issue with the following happening

Biden : "I want to pardon a thousand people"
Aide : "That will take a while"
Biden : "USETH THE AUTO PEN!"

Trump is accusing people of doing this

Aide : "Okay Trump won, that could be bad for a bunch of people we are friends with"
Other Aide : "Bring in the Auto Pen...we will sign a bunch of Pardons in Biden's name without asking or telling him"

Now if Trump is correct in this Accusation then we should definitively have a discussion about it, and the Autopen in general, I do not mind a world in which the President does have to sign everything by hand, You know if this shit is THAT important that it has to happen perhaps..you know the President should actually be forced to sign it manually.
 
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Also, hasn't anything that could be considered as part of the "files (Epstein's black book, flight logs for Epstein's private plane) already been made public?
It was a lot of information that was already available to the public but compiled and more censored in some areas. As of this time we are still technically waiting on "Phase 2" of the document release that may come sometime between now and never.
 
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