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Here's a interesting question.
If you were in charge of the DNC, what would you do to try to win 2028? do you stick with Moderates? lean harder into the left?

Lean *hard* into the moderates. There's still a lot of "classical liberals" that have gone over to the right because they were basically forced out of the left. They could pick up more than they would lose among the radicals.

See, the radicals have nowhere else to go. The two party system kills them. There's no farther-left party that's worth speaking of. The worst they could do is just not vote at all, they wouldn't start voting for republicans. But the moderates are starting to vote Republican, particularly as the Republican party is doing exactly what I'm talking about in the other direction.

It's what Trump's strength is, and it's why some people on the right hate him so bad - he's dragged the Republican party farther towards moderate than it was for decades - it's basically almost verboten in current republican discourse to be anti-gay, for example. The focus has shifted from just general anti-gay hate to specific issues, many of which even the moderate left can get behind - grooming, drag queens for kids, gay porn in schools, etc. Specific issues, not broad hatred. Meanwhile, one of the old bastions of the right, the "pro life" crowd, has been marginalized - the current republican stance is more "abortion is bad, but put it in the hands of the states" than "ban it all together". And despite the evangelicals on Xitter making a big stink about how "if Trump isn't anti-abortion, I can't vote for him! He'll regret it!"... It's not like they're going to vote for the party that would make fetus-eating legal in a couple decades at the rate they were going. The worst case scenario is they don't vote at all, not that they vote for the other guy - and realistically most of them aren't even going to abstain, since they know that as much as they may not like Trump's stance, the current left is far worse.

Extremists on either side are a bad group to court - they aren't the majority of your base.

Trump understands that. Democrats don't.
 
Not sure where you're pulling that name from but lets go with it.

Heinrich Schwarz was the commander of Monowitz, a subcamp of Auschwitz.

Franz Xaver Schwarz was the treasurer of the Nazi Party.

you guys would lose it if you ever went to germany lmao
Be a mensch and do Naumann and Goldschlag next.
 
so basically just become MAGA and run Tulsi Gabbard.

the dems are in too deep to moderate, if they did they'd lose the Coalition of fags and browns and most whites are gonna stay with the repubs simply because atleast the republicans haven't spent the past 20 years calling them all POS that need to die. the only chance the left has is to hope the culture rapidly shifts back to how it was in 2020 but even then what arguments do they have anymore? the left got everything they ever wanted, had all the power in the world and made everyone's life worse for it. they have literally nothing to run on, no ideas how to make the world "better" they're fucked.
honestly the only serious person that has a chance to win has to be someone like Stephen A Smith. someone who has both republican and liberal ideas, and can actually help move the party back to sanity
 
Lean *hard* into the moderates. There's still a lot of "classical liberals" that have gone over to the right because they were basically forced out of the left. They could pick up more than they would lose among the radicals.
IMHO, the one thing Trump is failing with the moderate vote is his position on the Israel-Palestine War, especially compared to his stance on wanting to end the Russo-Ukraine War because it is costing American taxpayers in the short and long run. It still feels like that the Republican Party loves to kowtow to Israel interests in spite of American values. I'd argue that is worse than the anti-abortion types as they are working behind the scenes for religious pandering until they outright say it.
 
Personally I believe Trump doesn't actually want to annex Canada. The Canadian shit is something deliberately outrageous and salacious that the media and reddit retards will oy vey and fixate on distracting them from the stuff Trump is doing regarding mass deportation and DOGE.

It's a deliberate distraction ploy and it's working because journalists are fucking stupid.
I feel like in all likelihood this is the actual reason, combined with the negotiaton tactic of demanding something absurd to make what you actually want seem like a more reasonable compromise. It'll probably end with either favorable trade conditions, or maybe the sale of some of the northernmost islands if Canada becomes especially desperate. TLD is funnier though.
 
It's a german last name that most often appears in Iowa. What's with retards thinking that every Germanic last name is Jewish?
My hebro in Christ, "Kurz" is German, "Kurtz" is the Yiddish derivative from German.
Explain 'Schwartz' then.
Same with Schwartz. The German word is "Schwarz". The tz is a dead giveaway.

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Not sure where you're pulling that name from but lets go with it.

Heinrich Schwarz was the commander of Monowitz, a subcamp of Auschwitz.

Franz Xaver Schwarz was the treasurer of the Nazi Party.

you guys would lose it if you ever went to germany lmao
See above. Schwarz =| Schwartz

Kurtzleben means "short life" btw. Funny name.
 
the dems are in too deep to moderate, if they did they'd lose the Coalition of fags and browns and most whites are gonna stay with the repubs simply because atleast the republicans haven't spent the past 20 years calling them all POS that need to die. the only chance the left has is to hope the culture rapidly shifts back to how it was in 2020 but even then what arguments do they have anymore? the left got everything they ever wanted, had all the power in the world and made everyone's life worse for it. they have literally nothing to run on, no ideas how to make the world "better" they're fucked.

They wouldn't lose California, you nit.

You can only "lose" someone if there's an alternative that suits them better.

That's why Trump hasn't "lost" Evangelicals, despite the fact they hate him.
 
Not sure where you're pulling that name from but lets go with it.

Heinrich Schwarz was the commander of Monowitz, a subcamp of Auschwitz.

Franz Xaver Schwarz was the treasurer of the Nazi Party.

you guys would lose it if you ever went to germany lmao
bzzt wrong. A lot of Jews lived in Germany and hence have German surnames. Thanks for playing.
I was your father’s brothers roommate.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pPkWZdluoUg
Sorry couldn’t resist.
I was thinking of it the entire time too. That movie makes my day.
I think everyone on the thread here would be against even visiting the place, tbh.
I'd love to visit Europe in general if they finally nutted up and expelled all of the Islamists. I'm not trying to see the countryside only to get trucked/stabbed.
 
IMHO, the one thing Trump is failing with the moderate vote is his position on the Israel-Palestine War, especially compared to his stance on wanting to end the Russo-Ukraine War because it is costing American taxpayers in the short and long run. It still feels like that the Republican Party loves to kowtow to Israel interests in spite of American values. I'd argue that is worse than the anti-abortion types as they are working behind the scenes for religious pandering until they outright say it.

I think he would have less traction if Israel wasn't essentially fighting the armies of Satan.

Moderates may not be pro-Israel, but a lot of them are Anti-muslim.
 
IMHO, the one thing Trump is failing with the moderate vote is his position on the Israel-Palestine War, especially compared to his stance on wanting to end the Russo-Ukraine War because it is costing American taxpayers in the short and long run. It still feels like that the Republican Party loves to kowtow to Israel interests in spite of American values. I'd argue that is worse than the anti-abortion types as they are working behind the scenes for religious pandering until they outright say it.
I mean, could we actually have peace within the region? The only way I see it working is a sort of DMZ like North/South Korea. Have the UN run it.
 
the dems are in too deep to moderate, if they did they'd lose the Coalition of fags and browns and most whites are gonna stay with the repubs simply because atleast the republicans haven't spent the past 20 years calling them all POS that need to die. the only chance the left has is to hope the culture rapidly shifts back to how it was in 2020 but even then what arguments do they have anymore? the left got everything they ever wanted, had all the power in the world and made everyone's life worse for it. they have literally nothing to run on, no ideas how to make the world "better" they're fucked.
This is what's been very curious to witness: the Democrats refuse to moderate at all. As @MembersSchoolPizza notes above, Trump dragged the Republicans kicking and screaming to moderate positions which has resulted in quite the political shift. Does it satisfy the hardcore Christians and staunch anti-abortion people? Well, no, it doesn't. However, it has done damage to the Democrats using the 14th Amendment to justify everything, it has done damage to the embedded forever bureaucracy, it has done damage to Chevron deference and alphabet-soup bureaus doing whatever they want, it has resulted in a meaningful Middle East peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia, and it has taken fiscal conservatism a lot more seriously than any other American political party in the 21st century. Trump's camp being fun and hopeful is icing on the cake. Most people do not want to feel like everything sucks, which is how most Democrats act even when they're king of the hill.

For most of the 21st century, the Republicans came across as toothless, uncaring about their constituents, and basically the political equivalent of a great big fat person who's really sleepy after eating and drinking too much on Thanksgiving night. The Democrats, by comparison, had a major head start: George W. Bush wasn't a great president and started two wars, one of which (Iraq) was totally unnecessary and had terrible consequences all-around. They had a media ready to pounce and a jaded youth ready to vote. Then they had Obama, who centralized federal power and wielded that power with impunity. Whatever anyone wants to say about Obama, he was a talented politician and administrator even if I think his ends were bad for the most part.

Now the Democrats are on the back-foot and it seems like they have no idea what to do even thought the answer is right in front of them: moderate the party platform. The problem, as I see it, is they've written themselves into a corner where they castigated everything Trump said and made themselves such an anti-Trump party that moderating is a blatant admission that the past 10 years have been a complete waste. All that money, all that time, all that energy for nothing. A serious politician would bite the bullet in order to salvage the party but - as we have seen - the Democrats are not serious politicians. If Trump personally discovered a cure for pancreatic cancer and made it free for the whole world, the Democrats would find a way to attack him for it because they are that petty and gross. Americans are seeing Democrats for what they are.
 
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