Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[a hapless toad]

He appears to have somehow obtained another car, then, and is living in it.

I saw someone saying the current one was a rental he was paying for with Uber but I don't actively keep up with his plights so not 100% sure

IIRC he mentioned in a filing that he was renting a car so he could work as a Door Dasher (he's banned from Uber as far as I can remember).

 

[Debbie Macomber]

I notice the Judge moved UP Russ's due date

First he had until October 21st to file a response to show cause, and instead of giving him another 7 months because he filed something, he gave Russ until October 18th to do something or case dismissed!

It's as if because Russ turned something in on time, he now has less days left to save his case and more work to do!

 

[Mind Goblins]

I assumed he was living out of the vehicle he was renting in order to drive for uber so that's not something null could take. I could be wrong though.

Even if it were his, my understanding of how cases like this work (and may the knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong) is that the two things a court will not force a losing party to give up are the roof over their head and their mode of transportation, since both are considered vital to one's ability to live/make a living. They might make you downsize from your McMansion or midlife crisis-mobile, but even then that would only be if the status from either of those isn't part of how you plan to make the rest of what you owe. For instance, if Russ shuttled around high-profile clients then a fancy car might actually be a business necessity for him.

Unfortunately for him, I remember the document saying that Russ drives for Postmates, not Uber, so anything that gets from point A to point B without exploding is considered sufficient.

 

[DavidS877]

If Josh sues Greer, my recommendation would be to settle for his copyright portfolio.

It may not be worth anything, but it would be funny.

 

[SCV]

The reason Abuse of Process lawsuits are not common is because the only people who are reachable by this tort are fucking retards like Greer. And since they are retards there is nothing to collect to mitigate the cost of litigation.

IMO though, this forum has the "the joker corollary" applied to its position.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_N7_wlyvXqM

You know, this is unrelated to rusty, but it really hits home when you watch this scene and think "I sure wish this guy was running our economy".

Edit:

If Josh sues Greer, my recommendation would be to settle for his copyright portfolio.

It may not be worth anything, but it would be funny.

I have to disagree. The only reason to risk suing him that would be worth it is to make an example of him. Spending money to sue in return for worthless garbage (and a quick resolution, ie. skipping the painful process part) is funny but just not worth the risk.

 

[TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve]

Honestly I'd pay good money for a copy of Why I Sued Taylor Swift: And how I Became Falsely Known as Frivolous, Litigious & Crazy with an epilogue by Hardin about how he became vexatious, trauma lumped, and homeless if none of it went to Greer's hooker fund and instead went to the site/the legal fund. I feel like that'd be worth way more than any liquid assets that could be extracted from Greer (providing there's some way to sell it, which is a legitimate problem). Greer suing over the book (among other things) and the book ending up as KF IP just has a sense of poetic irony I'm really into

 

[Kosher Salt]

Which is Sanctionable. What are the odds that the Judge actually drops sanctions for this? Awarding Null costs seems pointless as Greer is broke and homeless. Looking at it impartiality, the only viable sanction would be dismissal with prejudice. But we all know such things never happen in retard fueled clown world.

Zero, because Hardin didn't ask for them, other than a vague reference to dismissal. And since the court is acting as the pro se retard's attorney, dismissal obviously wasn't going to happen.

You shouldn't have to file a response just to say "he's lying, we didn't agree to this." Costs and fees would have been something. It would put Russ on the losing foot, and even if he can't pay, it would be leverage.

 

[Lian Xing]

What did I leave out?

Some SpongeBob meme with excessively long times because this shitshow has been going on for over four years.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Does that pretty much cover it? What did I leave out?

The only thing I can't see is the word plights. Other than that, A+.

 

[Hrothgar]

Does that pretty much cover it? What did I leave out?

Really just a bit at the very beginning that basically went:

Russ, regular failure at serving lawsuits properly: I want alternate service by just emailing my plights.
Faggot judge: You have to try normal service first.
Russ: No, I don't wanna.
Faggot judge: Oh, in that case, alternate service request granted.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

You don't understand. If they don't doompost the same dime a dozen comment then what can they even say? Something unique? You jest, surely.

Spoiler: Something Unique

Chumble Spuzz.

I have to disagree. The only reason to risk suing him that would be worth it is to make an example of him. Spending money to sue in return for worthless garbage (and a quick resolution, ie. skipping the painful process part) is funny but just not worth the risk.

We will hoist Russell's metaphorical head upon a symbolic spike as a warning to all of King Kiwi's Josh's foes: we can remain retarded longer than they can drag out a court case.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

We will hoist Russell's metaphorical head upon a symbolic spike as a warning to all of King Kiwi's Josh's foes: we can remain retarded longer than they can drag out a court case.

There is a concept in the mental health field that certain types of psychopaths/sociopaths cannot be taught human based lessons because those lessons require empathy and a certain amount of emotional maturity. A person that has no empathy can not learn the lesson not to cause harm because they do not view their actions as harmful because, frequently, they do not view their targets as humans and thus cannot experience harm like they can.

You can line the battlements with as many lolcow heads as you want; it is not a deterrent, just as execution is not a deterrent. The mental illnesses of these people means that they are often touching both sides of the extreme spectrum: they are special, unique and untouchable, but are also extremely abused, marginalized, have nothing to lose, and want to be a beacon to their 'people'.
Metaphorically speaking, Melinda Scott's scalp dangles from the wall of Josh's fortress, and outside of us, nobody else noticed or cared. You think lolcows pause when one of their own catch a bullet between the eyes if that death can't be weaponized? Russ is still here, with no actual goal outside of inflicting the process. He knows he has no claim, he knows there is no way to get what he wants, the system knows this as well and every time he tilts at the windmill, outside of the last few filings, the system has told him, 'it's ok champ, have another go'. I hope the system has realized that the unwavering support of Greer and doing his job for him is going to start raising serious questions about procedure, ethics, and how the system handles pro se litigants, vexatious or otherwise. Stebbins is another example, these people are not sane by any stretch of the imagination, you think he cares that Melinda tried and tried and tried and was eventually swatted away like the irritant she was? He doesn't care; if he wins, he wins; if he loses, he wins and will just refile over and over again. There is no way to educate or place fear into a vessel of evil.
And the other side of the spectrum, the actual funded and driven people like LFJ, he will just act through proxies and rarely get his own hands dirty (UNCLEAN HANDS!!!!!), he has an endless pool to recruit from, he'll just put a new keffals in the path as often as he needs to, you think he cares when they go off message and revert to drug addicted gooning? He'll just do his corpospeak of how their goals no longer align, thank you for your service, now fuck off. Some faux Jew hillbilly degenerate failed to take down Josh doesn't deter LFJ either, lolcows don't care. They'll use the corpses of their fallen to scale the walls.

To clarify, I do not think this is doomposting per se, just my broad view of the idea of setting examples to people incapable of feeling fear and understanding pain.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

You can line the battlements with as many lolcow heads as you want; it is not a deterrent, just as execution is not a deterrent.

See contra, collecting skulls is its own reward. If it deters someone, it’s a bonus.

And the previous skull owner usually doesn’t repeat, just Ike recidivism of executed criminals is incredibly low.

 

[Harm]

There is a concept in the mental health field that certain types of psychopaths/sociopaths cannot be taught human based lessons because those lessons require empathy and a certain amount of emotional maturity. A person that has no empathy can not learn the lesson not to cause harm because they do not view their actions as harmful because, frequently, they do not view their targets as humans and thus cannot experience harm like they can.

This concept isn't "settled science" and compelling counter-arguments have been made by experts that sociopaths have empathy (psychopaths wouldn't), but utilize it to intuit into the suffering they're intentionally causing others. That's to say they know they're causing harm, they know they're causing suffering, and they find deep pleasure in sharing in the trauma they're inflicting upon their victims. Fritz Breithaupt's book The Dark Sides of Empathy goes into this in great detail (although it's hardly the only account making this case).

When you presuppose based on that conception that these people can't feel empathy as a rule, then ironically, you're the one failing to afford them the empathy to conceptualize how it could be informing their actions and decisions.

Also, the thing about creating deterrents is you don't get the direct knowledge to know whom you've deterred. We don't get to know how many murders would be occurring if there were to be no executions imposed as punishment. We don't know how many child predators have been deterred due to the sex offender registry or the very real treatment they face from their fellow inmates when incarcerated. We still create these deterrents because if they deter even one, then it served a purpose. Deterrents aren't meant to deter everybody and anybody.

EDIT: Mind you, my counter-theory isn't settled science itself either. However, as someone who enjoys causing harm to others (it is my name, after all), empathy can play a role in some sadistic acts. My point is it shouldn't be ruled out either.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

See contra, collecting skulls is its own reward. If it deters someone, it’s a bonus.

And the previous skull owner usually doesn’t repeat, just Ike recidivism of executed criminals is incredibly low.

I want to clarify: I do not oppose removing an opponent from the board for the sake of removing an opponent from the board. I was just addressing the often brought up concept of counter sue penniless lolcows into oblivion so that other lolcows take pause and second guess the idea of vexatious litigation against Null for his website posting publicly available information. Other lolcows don't care if one of their numbers fail, Melinda crowed the whole time that she always had Josh in checkmate, Greer is always 100% certain that once he finally submits his amazing evidence, Josh will be pilloried and he will be awarded a multi billion dollar songwriting contract for some starlet. Stebbins thought he saw a flaw in the system he could exploit and has no true axe to grind, he is just a vexatious litigation machine. You can't deter people with this mindset, and most lolcows share this type of mindset. They'll be the one to take down big bad Josh, the prize of 'Killer of KiwiFarms' overrides their inner voice pleading with them to stop, if it was ever there to begin with. The concept of deterrence doesn't work with these people, you have to eliminate them one by one. To that end, showing that you are capable and willing to defend yourself and your land is important in this new landscape, the roving, ravenous bands of troons, lolcows, enablers will scour your entire life for any sort of flaw they can find, and use it to obliterate your life and destroy your future. If they cannot find a flaw they will fabricate it, I would go so far as to say that Josh is not a child murdering pedophile and that this is a malicious rumor meant to destroy his reputation, and there has never been any evidence submitted to back this claim, in fact a large company was successfully told retract that bullshit. But you know what I am positive of? That LFJ has committed 'consent accidents', that Greer threatened to kill himself on someone's doorstep if she dares block his communications, that Yaniv wants to host sexy pool parties for 10 year old girls. Those instances are archived. So because they know their actions are viewable, people like that will target Kiwifarms and Josh personally for as long as they hold on to the concept that their actions are not wrong, and holding them accountable and publicly sharing their misdeed harms their ability to continue doing these actions. You think keffals gives a shit that Onision has a thread? or Cyraxx? These lolcows have no comradery, they just want their shit taken down so they can go back to their patterns of abuse without the sense that they're being watched.
So, in summary, there is no deterrence that will work because they would rather assault Josh and his works than look inward and realize they are utterly fucked up and shouldn't do these things, and when they do that, they absolutely should be dealt with efficiently and swiftly. I'm not arguing against fighting back, I'm arguing against the idea that we 'teach the lolcows a lesson'. You can't.

This concept isn't "settled science" and compelling counter-arguments have been made by experts that sociopaths have empathy (psychopaths wouldn't), but utilize it to intuit into the suffering they're intentionally causing others. That's to say they know they're causing harm, they know they're causing suffering, and they find deep pleasure in sharing in the trauma they're inflicting upon their victims. Fritz Breithaupt's book The Dark Sides of Empathy goes into this in great detail (although it's hardly the only account making this case).

When you presuppose based on that conception that these people can't feel empathy as a rule, then ironically, you're the one failing to afford them the empathy to conceptualize how it could be informing their actions and decisions.

Also, the thing about creating deterrents is you don't get the direct knowledge to know whom you've deterred. We don't get to know how many murders would be occurring if there were to be no executions imposed as punishment. We don't know how many child predators have been deterred due to the sex offender registry or the very real treatment they face from their fellow inmates when incarcerated. We still create these deterrents because if they deter even one, then it served a purpose. Deterrents aren't meant to deter everybody and anybody.

I concede that I broad stroked it and will reel it in. Not all ill people are incapable of empathy, I know that. But I will argue that many of the lolcows tilting at the windmill here demand empathy, but give none in return.

Also also, I love encountering other people that study psychology and psychiatry, even just for fun. Let's have coffee sometime.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Other lolcows don't care if one of their numbers fail

This is likely true (as lolcows always think everything will go their way even when nothing ever does) BUT lolcows are not the only people legally interested in the farms. And those people often have something to lose, and are more wary of a field strewn with the bones of previous litigants.

 

[Null]

So for Summery Judgment do we have to wait until June or July?

probably june, 2026.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

As long as it is after the solstice, so it will indeed be a, ahem, SUMMERY judgement.

Is this thing on?

I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitresses.

 

[DumbDude43]

Applied or went back to school for his JD

lol lmao
will he fail out of law school? or will he get thrown out for perving on the female students/staff/professors?

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

This is likely true (as lolcows always think everything will go their way even when nothing ever does) BUT lolcows are not the only people legally interested in the farms. And those people often have something to lose, and are more wary of a field strewn with the bones of previous litigants.

You're absolutely correct, I kind of tunnel visioned on the lolcow aspect. Mea culpa.