Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Even if he agreed to never sue Null/KF/Lolcow LLC again, he could file some new lolsuit and "forget" to tell the judge about his agreement.

It would be found pretty quickly, and would be a surefire way to become a vexatious litigant.

 

[.iota.]

Isn't jipping(gypping) a slur?

this is russell greer. everything out of his mouth is a slur, except for the drool.

could not terms of a settlement include prohibition from attempting to sue again?

I'm leaning towards 'no' because there is not a free way to hold Greer to his end of the bargain. Even if he agreed to never sue Null/KF/Lolcow LLC again, he could file some new lolsuit and "forget" to tell the judge about his agreement.

iirc, this was discussed, and the conclusion was that greer cannot be contractually obligated to forfeit litigation.

 

[Pee Cola]

gonna one more time bring up my unpopular opinion that now is the time to strike with a settlement offer of $10k

This would set a bad precedent. If Null were to pay Russhole any amount of fuck off money, other lolcows with threads on here would start lining up to sue Null and Kiwi Farms, a website, in the hope that they too can make a quick buck.

When Null turns around and says "lol no" to the lot of them, it's likely that many of said lolcows will just push their respective suits even harder, running up many billable hours with Hardin and burning through the Litigation Fund in double quick time.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Null completely ruled this option out already.

 

[Null]

gonna one more time bring up my unpopular opinion that now is the time to strike with a settlement offer of $10k. russ is hurting for money in a big way. he is paying so little attention to this lawsuit that he didn’t even do a victory lap or realize he “won” transfer back to Utah. could not terms of a settlement include prohibition from attempting to sue again? like i said before, 10k is more than russell has ever seen at one time or will ever see at one time again. as full of righteous indignation as i am about this, russ is in full flounder, has been completely abandoned by DJF, barely has a social media presence at this point. he is out of options and apparently out of belief that he can win this. the courts don’t care to carry on with the case. is it really worth waiting for someone to do something, or would it maybe be better to strike while the iron is hot to make this dipshit go away? just food for thought.

I'd rather die.

 

[Schpoots]

Giving russ any money will verify his victim complex. His dumb ass would immidetely turn around and sue for something new. Even if he was literally banned from suing again he would still try and spend another decade floundering aimlessly in pro se court.

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

while all of that is very much true, i would think russell would have included any potential joblessness in his recent court journal entry. after all, if he was jobless, why wouldn’t he (again) blame the farms for that as well?

This is what I was basing my assumption on:

 

[Third World Aristocrat]

gonna one more time bring up my unpopular opinion that now is the time to strike with a settlement offer of $10k. russ is hurting for money in a big way. he is paying so little attention to this lawsuit that he didn’t even do a victory lap or realize he “won” transfer back to Utah. could not terms of a settlement include prohibition from attempting to sue again? like i said before, 10k is more than russell has ever seen at one time or will ever see at one time again. as full of righteous indignation as i am about this, russ is in full flounder, has been completely abandoned by DJF, barely has a social media presence at this point. he is out of options and apparently out of belief that he can win this. the courts don’t care to carry on with the case. is it really worth waiting for someone to do something, or would it maybe be better to strike while the iron is hot to make this dipshit go away? just food for thought.

While a very unpopular wall of text. Why from everything you wrote, you decided to only capitalize "DJF" and "Utah"? Surely the digital justice foundation is not worth such a hassle.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

gonna one more time bring up my unpopular opinion that now is the time to strike with a settlement offer of $10k. russ is hurting for money in a big way. he is paying so little attention to this lawsuit that he didn’t even do a victory lap or realize he “won” transfer back to Utah. could not terms of a settlement include prohibition from attempting to sue again? like i said before, 10k is more than russell has ever seen at one time or will ever see at one time again. as full of righteous indignation as i am about this, russ is in full flounder, has been completely abandoned by DJF, barely has a social media presence at this point. he is out of options and apparently out of belief that he can win this. the courts don’t care to carry on with the case. is it really worth waiting for someone to do something, or would it maybe be better to strike while the iron is hot to make this dipshit go away? just food for thought.

Why would Null settle when Russ is at his weakest?

If Russ is so "blind" he doesn't even know what state the case is in anymore, and soon to be living under a bridge, then it's pretty much a slam dunk that the case is getting thrown out for failure to prosecute.

"strike while the iron is hot" would be filing a motion to dismiss and asking for sanctions and legal fees while Russ can't contest it because he's blind under a bridge

 

[RJ MacReady]

I'd rather die.

Offer $1k on the condition it be put into a Stake, BCgame or Shuffle account (his choice) and he can withdraw the balance after 6 months. All he must do is simply not touch it, which would be a trifling task for someone of Russell's stoic self-control and sharp mathematical abilities.

 

[jerkstore]

Why would Null settle when Russ is at his weakest?

If Russ is so "blind" he doesn't even know what state the case is in anymore, and soon to be living under a bridge, then it's pretty much a slam duck that the case is getting thrown out for failure to prosecute.

"strike while the iron is hot" would be filing a motion to dismiss and asking for sanctions and legal fees while Russ can't contest it because he's blind under a bridge

my opinion is now extra void considering Null would absolutely not entertain it, so no use discussing anymore. and it was just a thought to put an end to all this, not something i was absolutely thinking would be the best option. and i wouldn’t know what the best option was, anyway.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

The real question is if Null can put off collecting until Russell can pay instead of serving a homeless person.

Russ whined that Skordas waited a whole year without collecting and then sent the police to his house, so couldn't Null also wait a year for Russ to find a job and get a new place, then send the cops to his new address? And what could Russell do? Complain that his debtor gave him a break when he was struggling?

 

[mindlessobserver]

The real question is if Null can put off collecting until Russell can pay instead of serving a homeless person.

Russ whined that Skordas waited a whole year without collecting and then sent the police to his house, so couldn't Null also wait a year for Russ to find a job and get a new place, then send the cops to his new address? And what could Russell do? Complain that his debtor gave him a break when he was struggling?

Its not about the money. Its about sending a fucking message. Fighting a retarded lawsuit to the point that the person who brought it is a homeless bum under an overpass whose wages will be garnished if he ever tries to find lawful employment again would be a pretty good skull to put on a pike at the border of the Kiwifarms. If Null were to actually give Russel money it would encourage more retards to sue the forum.

 

[jerkstore]

Its not about the money. Its about sending a fucking message. Fighting a retarded lawsuit to the point that the person who brought it is a homeless bum under an overpass whose wages will be garnished if he ever tries to find lawful employment again would be a pretty good skull to put on a pike at the border of the Kiwifarms. If Null were to actually give Russel money it would encourage more retards to sue the forum.

this is a great point. but the inactivity of the court in this case is what makes all of this so frustrating. i get that there are bigger balldos to fry, but russ’s failure to prosecute plus the court’s failure to court in this when the court could easily just dismiss and move on makes it all maddening.

 

[I Shidded I Farded I Came]

court’s failure to court in this when the court could easily just dismiss and move on makes it all maddening.

They did do that. Turns out the tenth circuit allows people with profound mental retardation to sit on it's appellate court.

 

[Napoleon III]

The question I have is whether this will result in Greer having his lawsuit dismissed WITH or without prejudice. I think eventually it will be dismissed because Greer literally can't do anything. Greer is probably going to abandon this case, and the courts in theory should dismiss it at that point. The problem is that a dismissal without prejudice is not very valuable at all because Greer can just refile whenever he feels like it.

I hope Hardin has some way to make the court dismiss this case WITH prejudice. Hopefully the address fuckery can be used to this effect.

edit: it's since been revealed that the NEW address is the one he's being evicted from.

He got us actually. He had a wrong address that was a red herring for his fake address when he had a secret address we didn't even know about.

There were two layers of deception instead of one. I hope this can be used to fuck him in the courts though because this is an obvious and extremely deceptive abuse of the system.

think about it: his life and existence are so irredeemably fucked, the only thing that keeps him going are his delusions of grandeur about becoming a successful and famous celebrity. eventually those delusions will be shattered by a reality check, and i think when that happens he might actually rope.

Naw a good rule about Suicide is that anytime someone announces they are going to commit suicide very publicly like this, it means it is just baiting. Usually if someone is going to do it, and it takes a lot of conviction to do it as it takes real willpower to do, they just do it. None of this crying in public about how mistreated they are.

There is a caveat to this which is that this doesn't apply right before they do it. Releasing a suicide note/message and then actually doing it RIGHT after is a different thing.

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So much of this filing is random.txt worthy. Already Greer's filings have made it into random.txt

Like I said, I'm working on it.

JANNY JANNY GET THE FILING.

JK I appreciate the posting of filings you do. Makes the legal threads I follow way more interesting.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

Cross quoting from the Greer thread. Apparently Greer had no trouble giving the county magistrate his actual address for his eviction case while at the same time he was blowing smoke up the Federal Courts ass.

Can this be used to nail him to the cross on this and get sanctions and dismissal?

with greer i'm inclined to believe that he might be serious about it tbh
think about it: his life and existence are so irredeemably fucked, the only thing that keeps him going are his delusions of grandeur about becoming a successful and famous celebrity. eventually those delusions will be shattered by a reality check, and i think when that happens he might actually rope.

Russ, please don't off yourself. You provide too much comedy.

And even if they did, it turns out not one of the three addresses would result in mail getting to Russell. The documents have been mailed into the void.

Russell might not know about the transfer.

It would be peak comedy if he kept filing in Florida blindly.

gonna one more time bring up my unpopular opinion that now is the time to strike with a settlement offer of $10k. russ is hurting for money in a big way. he is paying so little attention to this lawsuit that he didn’t even do a victory lap or realize he “won” transfer back to Utah. could not terms of a settlement include prohibition from attempting to sue again? like i said before, 10k is more than russell has ever seen at one time or will ever see at one time again. as full of righteous indignation as i am about this, russ is in full flounder, has been completely abandoned by DJF, barely has a social media presence at this point. he is out of options and apparently out of belief that he can win this. the courts don’t care to carry on with the case. is it really worth waiting for someone to do something, or would it maybe be better to strike while the iron is hot to make this dipshit go away? just food for thought.

I'm leaning towards 'no' because there is not a free way to hold Greer to his end of the bargain. Even if he agreed to never sue Null/KF/Lolcow LLC again, he could file some new lolsuit and "forget" to tell the judge about his agreement. Just filing the motion to dismiss would force Null to retain counsel, and there's no guarantee he could collect attorney's fees even if the judge granted them. Then we get to shenanigans like Russ clogging up the docket or naming his company or family as a plaintiff.

At this point a fairer deal might be to drop the sanctions in exchange for dropping the suit - Russ may not have the resources to even FedEx documents anymore and he certainly does not have the money to pay a sanctions award.

It would be found pretty quickly, and would be a surefire way to become a vexatious litigant.

This would likely be an unenforceable contract because it is too broad and the terms unconscionable. You cannot sign a death contract or other exploitative contract and have it upheld in court. You cannot sign away fundamental rights.

This is what I was basing my assumption on:

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WAIT! Is Greer admitting his claims of being 'ruined' were 'fiction' until now? It might be a stretch to argue this abused idiom is a deception--not simple retardation--but at this point it seems like a tell on himself.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

This is what I was basing my assumption on:

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The KiwiFarms has alleged that Plaintiff is a narcissistic sex pest, convicted stalker and harasser, and verbally attacking women that fail to acknowledge him. Left with no other choice, plaintiff donned these mantles, fiction becoming fact.

 

[geckogoy]

Its irritating that you cant answer 'they want me dead' with 'if so i would kill you right now', that seems like the ultimate refutation to me

 

[AnOminous]

It would be peak comedy if he kept filing in Florida blindly.

Florida Judge deserves this bullshit.

 

[Thomas Talus]

The next action is scheduled for July 8 and I can't tell from the description what that is - it could be anything from a hearing on the landlord's complaint to the deadline for Russ to move out.

Of course because this is a case involving Crusty Rusty there were requests for a continuance and sur-replies. I'd pay money to see those because you know he tried to blame us for his missed rent.

It looks like a hearing on tenant's answer to the plaintiff/landlord's complaint for non-payment of rent (with 7 days' notice to pay or get your agreement terminated), i.e., a case that is at issue and not defaulted. It may be a preliminary appearance, or it could be the full hearing; I don't know local practice in NV or LV more particularly, where I practice there are 1st appearances where the judge gives the parties the opportunity to reach an agreement to avoid a trial, and that agreement (if reached) is entered as an enforceable judgment, or a trial date is set.

The order of documents in the register is strange, as the complaint was filed 6 days' after the answer was, when filing the complaint is typically the 1st entry and how the case gets its number assigned.

If you want to pay money to see them, you can probably contact the records department for the court and request them. The IFP is a standard form you can fill out online and probably won't be interesting unless you want to see how much he's claiming in income, stick to the answer and motion for continuance/alternative means of appearance.