171,300 patients traveled out of state for abortions in 2023 - Of course those who can’t pay should just use a wire hanger am I right bros?


More than 170,000 people have traveled out of state to receive abortion care since January of last year, according to new data from the Guttmacher Institute, a figure underlined by the increasing difficulty to access care in some states.

Out-of-state care accounted for more than 15 percent of the estimated 1 million clinician-provided abortion procedures between 2023 and March of this year, according to the data. That figure has more than doubled since 2020.

“Traveling for abortion care requires individuals to overcome huge financial and logistical barriers, and our findings show just how far people will travel to obtain the care they want and deserve,” Guttmacher data scientist Isaac Maddow-Zimet said in a statement.

“Despite the amazing resiliency of abortion patients and providers, we can’t lose sight of the fact that this is neither normal nor acceptable,” he continued. “A person should not have to travel hundreds or thousands of miles to receive basic health care.”

Fourteen states have near-complete bans on abortion, a rapid change sparked by the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision in 2022, which overturned a prior federal standard mandating access to abortion procedures.

States that border those with recent near-total bans, such as Kansas and New Mexico, saw a majority of abortions in their state be from out-of-state patients. Texas’s abortion ban is one of the most restrictive in the country.

Florida has also served as a state with relatively easy access to abortion care when compared to its neighbors until earlier this year. The state implemented a strict six-week abortion ban in May.

“The state of residence data makes it clear that this policy change will be devastating not only for Floridians, but also for the thousands of others who would have traveled there after being denied care in their home states,” Guttmacher Vice President Kelly Baden said of Florida’s ban. “Once again, we see that a state’s abortion policies affect thousands of people beyond that state’s borders.”
The new bans could also have political ramifications. Florida is among the states with an abortion rights measure on the ballot this November, and Democrats have hoped to use the referendums to increase turnout.

Two-thirds of the approximately 1 million abortions were via medication, the institute also found. That method was under threat via a federal lawsuit until last week, when the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government does have the authority to limit restrictions on certain abortion medication.
 
I'm not completely anti abortion. I think cases where it's medically necessary are sad but okay, and I think rape babies should generally be aborted.

That said I hate the discourse around abortion and how people downplay what it fucking is.
Well, I don't think it's right to kill babies based solely upon their father's sins, but otherwise fair enough I guess.

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My opinion on abortion is that it comes down to philosophy and spirituality.

When an egg becomes a life is different to many people. Some people believe it's from the moment of conception (I personally don't).

I can understand why someone who does would have massive moral issues with that, why they would see every abortion as a murder, and why they wouldn't be okay with the shit. It's a nuanced issue and I wish the pro choice side would try to understand the opposition a bit more, just try to understand where they're coming from.

Personally, I think we'd have twice as many poor retarded/inbred/brown people born each year with a total choice ban, and that's scarier than baby murder to me. I don't want these subpar humans born. I think Margaret Sanger was a visionary and I support most of her viewpoints. Sucks Germany took it too far and turned everyone off of eugenics. There are plenty of babies I straight up don't want born because of who their bio parents are. I get why from a moral standpoint pro life people think the way they do, but I just see it as having more George Floyds out there passing me more fake bills.

I also think it's a losing issue as far as politics go for the right. It's only going to net less votes. Nobody considering voting blue is going to switch to red because of tougher abortion laws. Plenty will go the other way though.
 
When an egg becomes a life is different to many people. Some people believe it's from the moment of conception (I personally don't).
It objectively is and isn't up for debate. You can argue nonsense like personhood, but not life. It is a human life, period. Whether you value that human life or not is the only matter up for discussion.
 
It objectively is and isn't up for debate. You can argue nonsense like personhood, but not life. It is a human life, period. Whether you value that human life or not is the only matter up for discussion.
I'll just go full mask off and say that I don't value the majority of the demographics who have abortions as meaningful human lives. The less of them born the better, Margaret Sanger was right, I'm not gonna pretend she wasn't. Society is objectively better off without these money sinks being born.
 

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I'll just go full mask off and say that I don't value the majority of the demographics who have abortions as meaningful human lives. The less of them born the better, Margaret Sanger was right, I'm not gonna pretend she wasn't. Society is objectively better off without these money sinks being born.
I genuinely respect that intellectually honest position much more than "who knows when life begins, who can say...? *wink wink*"
 
Supports killing babies to prevent future criminals.

Doesn't support killing criminals.
 
Why is it always the ugliest, most undesirable, and least likely to get fucked/pregnant women who love abortion so much?
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It's bizarre how there's twenty pages of "debate" - and most of that is one woman arguing with many spergy men.

Where is the debate, exactly? Is there a reason why so many women who get pregnant are opting to render themselves infertile? Is this their fault, or the fault of the system they've been brought up in?

All of these women are young. 170,000 children were not born, mostly because their mothers couldn't support them for some reason or another. Yet you argue whether or not they should be permitted to do it.

Women are literally built to have children. It's instinctual. Men are too. But the sheep are too worried to lamb, and you blame the sheep - because if you blame the XL Bullies rampaging around the field, then you might feel like you let the poor sheep down.
 
Oh look, yet another issue where if a woman brings up rape or sexual assault we should immediately give her the floor and she wins everything by default.

I'm not even against abortion in principle, however icky I think it is as birth control. I just think it's the world's stupidest debate.

-Abortion is not a right, nor should it be. It involves someone else's work to get it resolved.
-No medical decision regardless of intent should be a matter of legality unless a minor is involved, in which case, things get way more complicated.
-If you left the state to have an abortion, you're probably one of those women who had an "oopsie", which is part of the continuing trend of women not needing to take accountability for their actions. Meaning: you wanted to have sex, fine. But you're aware of things like birth control. If you're hell bent on that sort of thing, maybe you shouldn't scream and cry about having to leave the state for an abortion and instead you should have had a slush fund for the abortion you were intent on getting and leave the rest of us the hell alone about it.
-Abortion standards are way too permissive. Europe thinks "up to 16 weeks" is okay, and we all know how often the US gets compared to Europe when it comes to favorable economic situations, so let's not pretend we don't think they're way ahead on social issues also.

This issue is so fucking exhausting.
 
-If you left the state to have an abortion, you're probably one of those women who had an "oopsie", which is part of the continuing trend of women not needing to take accountability for their actions. Meaning: you wanted to have sex, fine. But you're aware of things like birth control. If you're hell bent on that sort of thing, maybe you shouldn't scream and cry about having to leave the state for an abortion and instead you should have had a slush fund for the abortion you were intent on getting and leave the rest of us the hell alone about it.
Paying the piper is NOT how we should play this.
Just because she has a kid now, does not mean she will instantly do good, she can and very likely will follow the same fuckin' plan that has created millions of useless welfare leeches on our already overburdened economy.
- Gets Knocked up
- Has kid she don't want
- Dad splits
- Moms on hook for the kid
- Ends up on welfare
- Kid grows up like shit
- Kid hopefully grows up good
- If not, become welfare leech
- If worse, become criminal

Meanwhile, multiply this story x10,000 a day because lol America, and all those welfare gibs aren't coming from nowhere. It's taxes and inflation.
So call me cynical when I say: I don't care if some niglet or some white trash hick from literal garbage-tier southern states wants to slurp their retard babies out instead of having them, likely rendering the she-boon or wafer-witch infertile in the process.
If anything, I encourage it. I'd rather put the lump sum for an abortion down now than pay hundreds of thousands of dollars over-the-years in taxes and other bullshit when that kid grows up to be another faggot drain to the system later.

And to add even more incentive, the places with the most restrictive abortion bans are North Dakota, South Dakota, Idaho, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Montana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, South Carolina, Florida, and West Virginia.
Not exactly states known for their best and brightest.
Good to know its these fuckin' retards that are guaranteed a spot in life to mothers that don't want them. What could go wrong? How could this become tiresome?

This issue is so fucking exhausting.
Hey that's a statement everyone can enjoy!
 
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Just because she has a kid now, does not mean she will instantly do good
Not even close to my point. People who screech about abortion being a right somehow can't be bothered with sex ed.

It's not about doing good after a woman is pregnant, not to me, anyway. It's about stopping the pipeline to abortion-as-entitlement (and as a companion, sex-as-entitlement-for-women-only).
 
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