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[LaxerBRO]

God these people are sociopaths. "Yeah this widely-liked celebrity had a near death experience, but have you thought of the negatives this will do for CYCLING?!"

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But riding for transportation is riding for sport!

Haven't you heard of the gym of life?

 

[DickMain]

"But, you have to go back to the car after you park it"

Is that real? That's not real. Whatever you show me is AI generated. There's no way for me to accept a statement so retarded otherwise.

 

[Yamamura]

Is that real? That's not real. Whatever you show me is AI generated. There's no way for me to accept a statement so retarded otherwise.

Seeing is believing. Truly a "people die when they are killed" moment.

Also do they not realize the same could be said of having a bike as well. Hell even if you take the bus or the train you have to still go back to the same spot at the station you left in order to get back. Only there's a possibility that you could miss the last train and have to find another way back.

 

[DickMain]

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Seeing is believing. Truly a "people die when they are killed" moment.

Also do they not realize the same could be said of having a bike as well. Hell even if you take the bus or the train you have to still go back to the same spot at the station you left in order to get back. Only there's a possibility that you could miss the last train and have to find another way back.

I propose what I believe is a rather easy solution: motor transport back to my parked motor transport. Easy clap, nu-urbanists. That way I don't have to walk back to my vehicle, just as the... people promoting walking envisioned..?

 

[LaxerBRO]

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Seeing is believing. Truly a "people die when they are killed" moment.

Also do they not realize the same could be said of having a bike as well. Hell even if you take the bus or the train you have to still go back to the same spot at the station you left in order to get back. Only there's a possibility that you could miss the last train and have to find another way back.

The most free person. This man isn't even tied to a home:

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

He’s autistically trying to say that with a train you can get off at stop A wander around and get back on at stop B. Which is true, a tiny advantage.

But you can do the same with Uber if you wanted to.

 

[Yamamura]

I propose what I believe is a rather easy solution: motor transport back to my parked motor transport. Easy clap, nu-urbanists. That way I don't have to walk back to my vehicle, just as the... people promoting walking envisioned..?

Honda actually thought of this in the 80s. They created a foldable minibike that's the size of a large briefcase you can fit into the back of your car, like the Honda City.

 

[Aegir]

Honda actually thought of this in the 80s. They created a foldable minibike that's the size of a large briefcase you can fit into the back of your car, like the Honda City.

They actually build a new model last year called the Motocompacto.



It's cool, but just like the original it doesn't really make a lot of sense when you consider how annoying it is to pull out and set up. In reality most people don't really have that far of a walk from their parking in general, so this is less of a product that solves a problem and more a cute marketing gimmick.

For bike commuters, a folding bike isn't really that much more inconvenient than this and is way more capable. For car drivers, let's be real you weren't considering this anyways.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I propose what I believe is a rather easy solution: motor transport back to my parked motor transport. Easy clap, nu-urbanists. That way I don't have to walk back to my vehicle, just as the... people promoting walking envisioned..?

That's kind of how airports work.

- Drive to airport
- Park in satellite parking lot
- Take shuttle bus to terminal
- Ride people-mover to correct terminal
- Get on plane
- Get to destination, get rental car/have friend drive/take public transit
- Do everything in reverse

So by the time you land in the new city, you've already taken four vehicles. Of course, it still deals with transfers and airports are a miserable existence in their own, you just want to relax in a real chair, unwind with some food and drink, and so on.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Today in anti-car retardation breaching r/fuckcars containment:
Why did Kathy Hochul halt congestion pricing? Was it because it was a retarded idea? Nope! Clearly, it was the car lobby. Source? Hell if I know.

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Louis Rossmann had a good take on congestion pricing a couple years ago that still holds true today.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Clearly, it was the car lobby. Source? Hell if I know.

You'd think there would be something like Koch or Cato or some other NGO that can be linked to oil/automotive interests. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved from deceptive bullshit to outright falsehoods.

 

[Bonesjones]

For bike commuters, a folding bike isn't really that much more inconvenient than this and is way more capable. For car drivers, let's be real you weren't considering this anyways.

We already solved this issue in the 90s, it's called the Razor scooter. Easily folds up into a backpack, just as efficient as a bike, and safer for pedestrians.

 

[quaawaa]

You'd think there would be something like Koch or Cato or some other NGO that can be linked to oil/automotive interests. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved from deceptive bullshit to outright falsehoods.

Cato, being lolbertarians, supports urbanism because they mistakenly believe that the only thing stopping it is zoning rules (and not that it has to be forced with policies like parking maximums, road diets, enormous transit subsidies, urban growth boundaries, etc.).

Example (an article supporting arcologies):

Ta treść jest prywatna.

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Cato also fired Randall “The Antiplanner” O’Toole for writing articles debunking urbanism:

Ta treść jest prywatna.

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Will the communists of /r/fuckcars disavow their ideology since the “fascist” Koch brothers and their think tanks support it?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Example (an article supporting arcologies):

I know arcologies were in SimCity 2000 but even then there were indications in flavor text and appearance that they were dystopian (except the Launch Arco, which are basically space colonies).

That's the thing about 15-minute cities and arcologies, they never describe what exactly is in your little mandated corner of the world. You'd think that there would be a good proof of concept in terms of stable, decent retail and housing that is neither a dump or outrageously priced.

Those that do actually think about such things come off as a high-functioning schizophrenic, like the late Orville Simpson II, a high school dropout who spent much of his life designing "Victory Cities" which you can read all about here, coming off as some sort of elaborate satire or a concentration camp of the future.

Some choice bits from the website:

There will be a wide variety of living accommodations available for Victory City residents. There will be something for everyone, and something for everyone's pocketbook from the least expensive to the most expensive and everything in between.

The least expensive will be a ward for perhaps 50 people. Each will have a bunk and small locker. All 50 will share the same bathroom. There will be wards for men, women, students, the retired and elderly, and the poor, as well as for temporary visitors.

In all business transactions in Victory City, no money will be used. Instead, everyone will carry a bankbook which will have his photo on it to identify him. Whenever he buys an item in a store, he will always pay for the item immediately by handing the clerk his bankbook, which the clerk would insert in a specially designed machine that would be hooked up electronically with another machine in the one and only bank in Victory City.

All bedrooms are in the interior without windows. This is a wonderful safety feature for children.

It shouldn't take a person more than two minutes to use a Water Pik® booth, but allowing five minutes as an average over a three-hour period, then 36 persons will have used just one booth.

In Victory city, everyone would eat in one of the large cafeterias rather than cooking for themselves. A large rotating serving counter called the Circl-Serv could feed approximately 16,333 people in only 3½ hours.

It's all very fascinating, but this is the type of future these people want.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

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Seeing is believing. Truly a "people die when they are killed" moment.

Also do they not realize the same could be said of having a bike as well. Hell even if you take the bus or the train you have to still go back to the same spot at the station you left in order to get back. Only there's a possibility that you could miss the last train and have to find another way back.

That reddit poster is right. That's why one must hedge your transportation across multiple cars. One for each day of the week perhaps. Or one for off roading, one for driving topless, and one for track days.

 

[TowinKarz]

They actually build a new model last year called the Motocompacto.

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Observe 007, a simple briefcase....

But, with the push of a button.......

Even that's a bit too-carbrain for me.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Density is a side effect, it's not desirable in itself.

But because it is "required" for all these things they want (or think they want, or say they want) they decide it is worth it in itself.

A simple thought exercise shows it's not density you want, it's the things that are enabled by density indirectly. Even at the tourist level, imagine visiting Paris - all the stores, cafes, art museums, tourist traps, everything you visit is there, along with the streets and supporting infrastructure - but all residential housing, hotels, etc are gone except for the small bungalow you're staying in. It wouldn't matter! As long as everything you interact with is functional you don't actually care about the density - it's just that arguably you need that density.

DisneyLand is fun even though it has extremely low residential land and everyone commutes. Hell, Manhattan quadruples in size during the day - without the commuters the place is a fucking ghosttown even with the population.

And larger houses and land is desirable in itself, too - this again can be shown with a simple thought exercise. Everything else being equal would you rather live in a 1500 sq ft apartment or a 1500 sq foot house on the same lot? Most people would take the house, though arguably a nice penthouse apartment might have a view worth looking at.

 

[pellegrino31415]

Well it appears that the concept of the Third Place might be falling out of favor with the more Marxian inclined.

Third Place vs Right to the City

I didn't have time to watch the whole video. I only watched the first 15 minutes or so, which is impressive cuz I usually go MATI when I watch socialist sperg like this.
The basic premise is that Ray Oldenburg wasn't a leftist *gasp*, and that he was a misogynist and a homophobe i.e. a bigot *even more gasping*, and possibly an alcoholic too. And what we really should do is let the community decide on how to urbanize, and only let them urbanize, because after all you have a Right to the City. Oh by the way we are gonna take all the surplus and distribute it as we see fit.
Granted this is a smaller youtuber, but looking at his numbers he is in the growth phase and will probably start to gain traction with other Breadtubers.

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Jason is still upset about being called a doomer:

The not-doomer champion of efficiency and sustainability: "let them rot."

Jason: "I make original content, I don't just sum up something anyone can read."
Jason: "I can't make a video copying this book because I couldn't get the copyrights."

There's a lot to this thread so I'll just link the top of it, but that's what stood out to me.

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[quaawaa]

That “stroad” has both a bike trail and a sidewalk. If bike trail was paved with red asphalt and was in the Netherlands, he’d be bragging about it.

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