Shy Hard 2: Shy Harder

[CatParty]

What's wrong with my definition? That's the key issue here. It's from my blog - so what? The definition itself is valid, since there's no widespread agreed upon definition of this issue.

like an informed source. real specialists. not you.

 

[José Mourinho]

People need sexual encounters of they suffer mentally and physically. We are not designed to want reproduction, and sex is a part of that, but we are also one of the few species to use sex for pleasure and fun.

Also, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Criticism

In their extensive review of research based on Maslow's theory, Wahba and Bridwell found little evidence for the ranking of needs that Maslow described or for the existence of a definite hierarchy at all.[19]

The order in which the hierarchy is arranged (with self-actualization described as the highest need) has been criticized as being ethnocentric by Geert Hofstede.[20] Maslow's hierarchy of needs fails to illustrate and expand upon the difference between the social and intellectual needs of those raised in individualistic societies and those raised in collectivist societies. The needs and drives of those in individualistic societies tend to be more self-centered than those in collectivist societies, focusing on improvement of the self, with self-actualization being the apex of self-improvement. In collectivist societies, the needs of acceptance and community will outweigh the needs for freedom and individuality.[21] The term "Self-actualization" may not universally convey Maslow's observations; this motivation refers to focusing on becoming the best person that one can possibly strive for in the service of both the self and others.[11] Maslow's term of self-actualization might not properly portray the full extent of this level; quite often, when a person is at the level of self-actualization, much of what they accomplish in general may benefit others or, "the greater self".

The position and value of sex on the pyramid has also been a source of criticism regarding Maslow's hierarchy. Maslow's hierarchy places sex in the physiological needs category along with food and breathing; it lists sex solely from an individualistic perspective. For example, sex is placed with other physiological needs which must be satisfied before a person considers "higher" levels of motivation. Some critics feel this placement of sex neglects the emotional, familial, and evolutionary implications of sex within the community, although others point out that this is true of all of the basic needs

 

[thatincelblogger]

Well the hierarchy of needs says you need a lot of things you don't have - friends

We'll stop here, try again with a bit less assumptions pulled from your ass this time.

 

[TL 611]

We'll stop here, try again with a bit less assumptions pulled from your ass this time.

Sorry I wasn't intending to be an asshole then, legitimately. I just assumed that if you're having trouble talking to women enough you've considered rape, you don't have much normal human interaction. If I'm wrong I apologise.

 

[thatincelblogger]

You realize that, just because something is on the internet (on your own blog no-less) doesn't mean that it's a legally recognized term, right? '

I never said it's a legally recognized term. I am not for that at all. Fuck, I'm not even for it being a medical term.

I mean, you're literally saying 'raping somebody would be in our best interest.' How do you equate that to us condoning murder of incels? If anything, I would assume that most people would want you people to get help if you truly feel that rape, one of the most horrible things you can do to a person, is in your best interest, because it seems a rather sociopath-ish thing to say. (it implies that you consider getting laid more important than the fact that those are human beings whose life you are fully ok with ruining.)

I will tell you how you condone the murder of incels. It's not by mocking them or any of the crap you do here. It's by believing that the only kind of help they need is therapy. But therapy won't find them a girlfriend or even help them deal with it, for several reasons, including the facts that incel heavily depends on outside circumstances, that it is usually always self-perpetuating and that no healthy, normal person would even accept to make peace with it.

Yes, you are condoning rape. It's not an argument, it's a fact, because you literally just tried to justify it. That's part of what condoning something means. It's like saying 'if I wouldn't get in trouble for it, I'd happily go on a murder spree because it's in my best interest. I DON'T CONDONE MURDER THOUGH.' Saying that you don't condone of something feels rather disingenuous when the rest of your post is spent justifying that very thing. It's pretty much the exact same as the people who say 'I'm not racist/homophobic, but..'

It depends on how you look at it. I believe rape is an awful crime and not the joke feminists made it out to be today and that it should be severly punished but I believe some people come into a position where they don't have much choice, especially if legal and easily available prostitution is not accessible to them. Just because I say that some people are put in a position where they don't have much choice doesn't mean I don't think it's a terrible thing.

Sorry I wasn't intending to be an asshole then, legitimately. I just assumed that if you're having trouble talking to women enough you've considered rape, you don't have much normal human interaction. If I'm wrong I apologise.

Ok, just don't assume next time.

Anyway, kids, since you're all probably younger than me , poisoned with liberalism and not that fun to talk to I will probably deprive you of my esteemed presence here soon.

 

[TL 611]

We're liberals because we don't want to rape women...

I'm okay with that.

 

[CatParty]

I will tell you how you condone the murder of incels. It's not by mocking them or any of the crap you do here. It's by believing that the only kind of help they need is therapy. But therapy won't find them a girlfriend or even help them deal with it, for several reasons, including the facts that incel heavily depends on outside circumstances, that it is usually always self-perpetuating and that no healthy, normal person would even accept to make peace with it.


.

so you feel entitled to women? women as property should just be given to you as opposed to actually working towards your own life and relationships?

Anyway, kids, since you're all probably younger than me , poisoned with liberalism and not that fun to talk to I will probably deprive you of my esteemed presence here soon.

so without facts, you just run away?

 

[José Mourinho]

Anyway, kids, since you're all probably younger than me , poisoned with liberalism and not that fun to talk to I will probably deprive you of my esteemed presence here soon.

Ohh... scary scary.

 

[TL 611]

I will tell you how you condone the murder of incels. It's not by mocking them or any of the crap you do here. It's by believing that the only kind of help they need is therapy. But therapy won't find them a girlfriend or even help them deal with it, for several reasons, including the facts that incel heavily depends on outside circumstances, that it is usually always self-perpetuating and that no healthy, normal person would even accept to make peace with it.

That's not murder. At very most its negligence. Plus it's not negligence, because it's your job to sort out your own life without resorting to destroying others.

I dunno, do many ex-loveshies ever turn up in places? where they've snapped out of it, and managed to put their life on track. This is unrelated from the drama, I'm just interested.

 

[thatincelblogger]

That's not murder. At very most its negligence. Plus it's not negligence, because it's your job to sort out your own life without resorting to destroying others.

It is at least manslaughter. As for whose job it is to sort out your life, I agree that it is primarily yours. But some people fail at doing so and we must help them. I'll make an assumption that most of you aren't against all kinds of welfare. Well, in my mind only somebody who is against all kinds of welfare can present a non-hypocritical argument against this, since I've seen many people die due to incel - and I don't mean that I think they died because of it but because they explicitly said so.

Now, I'm not arguing for this policy to be implemented because I know that the electorate is too retarded to do so and governments too rotten to do anything useful, but just something to think about.

 

[Silver]

therapy won't help you find a girlfriend, no
what kind of help do you want then???????????????? therapy is your best bet toward getting the skills and personality necessary to get a girlfriend but since it's not a direct means to an end you say "fuck it"

also feminists don't make rape out to be a joke what the fuck feminists are you talking to

 

[CatParty]

It is at least manslaughter. As for whose job it is to sort out your life, I agree that it is primarily yours. But some people fail at doing so and we must help them. I'll make an assumption that most of you aren't against all kinds of welfare. Well, in my mind only somebody who is against all kinds of welfare can present a non-hypocritical argument against this, since I've seen many people die due to incel - and I don't mean that I think they died because of it but because they explicitly said so.

Now, I'm not arguing for this policy to be implemented because I know that the electorate is too retarded to do so and governments too rotten to do anything useful, but just something to think about.

what have you done to improve your life?

 

[thatincelblogger]

I dunno, do many ex-loveshies ever turn up in places? where they've snapped out of it, and managed to put their life on track. This is unrelated from the drama, Im just interested.

Well, you first have to understand that LS is a phobia, and not a state of deprivation like incel. http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/what-is-love-shyness/

That being said, most LS people, when they beat the phobia, immediately become "pure" incels, aka people who are incel for reasons other than LS.

Incel itself is very self-perpetuating too.

 

[Rio]

I never said it's a legally recognized term. I am not for that at all. Fuck, I'm not even for it being a medical term.

Then one could say it's not a real thing. That's what people mean when they say that it's not a real thing. If I use flabberastromy to refer to something, I can insist that it's a real thing because it refers to something that exist, but people wouldn't be wrong in saying that it's not a real thing because it isn't a legally recognized word. See what I mean?

I will tell you how you condone the murder of incels. It's not by mocking them or any of the crap you do here. It's by believing that the only kind of help they need is therapy. But therapy won't find them a girlfriend or even help them deal with it, for several reasons, including the facts that incel heavily depends on outside circumstances, that it is usually always self-perpetuating and that no healthy, normal person would even accept to make peace with it.

See, the thing is, not getting a girlfriend handed to them =/= murder. What you're saying is that you want girlfriends to be handed to you as though they're objects in a supermarket. That's not how people work. It sounds scarily dehumanizing when you imply that they do, and I hope you realize that.

It depends on how you look at it. I believe rape is an awful crime and not the joke feminists made it out to be today and that it should be severly punished but I believe some people come into a position where they don't have much choice, especially if legal and easily available prostitution is not accessible to them. Just because I say that some people are put in a position where they don't have much choice doesn't mean I don't think it's a terrible thing.

But they do have a choice. They have the choice to consider the fact that women are human beings that don't deserve being raped. They have the option to not consider themselves so much more important than said women that they would completely disregard their humanity for self-gratification in an extraordinarily brutal and horrible way. They have the option to instead seek help, because anyone that would think that rape is 'their only option' is quite clearly mentally ill. By not recognizing these facts and saying that 'well, they just didn't have a choice' you are indeed justifying rape. As such, I can't take you seriously when you say that you don't condone it, because for you not to condone something, you first need to not be justifying it constantly.

I also don't see how feminist make it into a joke. If anything, it's one of the main things they fight to oppose. Do you know how? Well, for one they don't justify it as being 'the only option' because apparently you believe guys are more entitled to sex than women are entitled to their rights as a human being. And before you say that you don't think so: yes you do. Everything you've said so far directly implies that you do. Saying 'but I don't' won't change that.


Also, you should stop linking to your own website as a valid source. Writing bullshit on a website doesn't make it true.

 

[CatParty]

Well, you first have to understand that LS is a phobia, and not a state of deprivation like incel. http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/what-is-love-shyness/

That being said, most LS people, when they beat the phobia, immediately become "pure" incels, aka people who are incel for reasons other than LS.

Incel itself is very self-perpetuating too.

stop spamming your blog as if it were important

 

[TL 611]

Well, you first have to understand that LS is a phobia, and not a state of deprivation like incel. http://thatincelblogger.wordpress.com/what-is-love-shyness/

That being said, most LS people, when they beat the phobia, immediately become "pure" incels, aka people who are incel for reasons other than LS.

Incel itself is very self-perpetuating too.

What do you think you reason for being incel is?

 

[thatincelblogger]

therapy won't help you find a girlfriend, no
what kind of help do you want then????????????????

I'd prefer some other kinds of help but won't talk about them or argue for them because they will never be implemented.

therapy is your best bet toward getting the skills and personality necessary to get a girlfriend but since it's not a direct means to an end you say "fuck it"

I am not so sure. I think most therapists never experienced incel at all and think it's just some consequence of social anxiety, when it clearly isn't because 1. a situation of that happens to many people who aren't socially anxious 2. beating it requires more than just social skills.
This is because therapists are usually a bit older people who were young at a time of low incel, people wanting to become therapists are mostly a bit more on the extroverted side and the problem itself isn't that common yet.

I think you're very wrong if you think that therapy can get you the kind of seduction skills you'd need if you haven't started in time and I unfortunately think it rarely changes people too.

"also feminists don't make rape out to be a joke what the fuck feminists are you talking to

Are you kidding? Feminists have turned rape from a heinous crime to a butt of jokes by claiming that every obfuscation or any level of coercion are rape. Feminists have claimed I raped a woman whose pic I put on the blog just because she called me and offered to have sex with me to remove it, even if I didn't offer it myself. The girl they claim I raped wanted me to fuck her again that today, bought me a chocolate later during the day and was in a relationship with me a week later.

 

[CatParty]

I'd prefer some other kinds of help but won't talk about them or argue for them because they will never be implemented.



I am not so sure. I think most therapists never experienced incel at all and think it's just some consequence of social anxiety, when it clearly isn't because 1. a situation of that happens to many people who aren't socially anxious 2. beating it requires more than just social skills.
This is because therapists are usually a bit older people who were young at a time of low incel, people wanting to become therapists are mostly a bit more on the extroverted side and the problem itself isn't that common yet.

I think you're very wrong if you think that therapy can get you the kind of seduction skills you'd need if you haven't started in time and I unfortunately think it rarely changes people too.



Are you kidding? Feminists have turned rape from a heinous crime to a butt of jokes by claiming that every obfuscation or any level of coercion are rape. Feminists have claimed I raped a woman whose pic I put on the blog just because she called me and offered to have sex with me to remove it, even if I didn't offer it myself. The girl they claim I raped wanted me to fuck her again that today, bought me a chocolate later during the day and was in a relationship with me a week later.

what have you done to improve your life?

 

[Silver]

I am at school to be a (music) therapist and that's where I'm coming from
also I don't believe any of your shit about the raping stuff

 

[thatincelblogger]

What do you think you reason for being incel is?

There are many, many reasons.

I think that the most important one is failure to acquire the necessary experience soon enough and that this is more important than anything else.
Other reasons could be looks, social anxiety, your surroundings, repressive family etc.