Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Useful_Mistake]

The War chest used to be split between Russ and Epiks, now, after Epik's surrender, the whole War Chest is left over just for Russ!

*and the planned lawsuits against Alejandra Caraballo, Liz Fong-Jones, and Honeycomb

 

[ForTheHoard]

The War chest used to be split between Russ and Epiks, now, after Epik's surrender, the whole War Chest is left over just for Russ!

*and the planned lawsuits against Alejandra Caraballo, Liz Fong-Jones, and Honeycomb

The Epik settlement was best case scenario as they were likely going to be the most expensive to deal with.

Nailing LFJ is the biggest hope for me. Out of everyone, he is the one most likely to have committed numerous crimes while trying to destroy us. I would assume the angle being taken is tortious interference, but we don't know yet. He's also the only one in a position to pay restitution for the damage done to KF. There's also a very real chance that getting to discovery with LFJ could implicate multiple powerful people and businesses in the tech industry. It could also be palatable for normies.

Greer is just the funniest because he's the biggest retard and represents himself. I'm thoroughly entertained watching him try to manipulate a judge that's having none of his bullshit. I'm also having fun knowing that Hardin is having fun beating the shit out of him. It's also the funniest case in the event that we lose, because it completely fucks over the internet to the benefit of one rat mouthed pervert.

 

[Niall Meanwhile]

How does this argument work exactly? Case should be decided wherever I say because muh plights?
Also, didn't a judge (in one of the Taylor Swift instalments iirc) school him at length about the whole "availing yourself to the jurisdiction" concept back in the day?



Notice how he claims the original harms (inflicted by "a website", mind) happened in Utah so the matter should be decided there, only to say his only ties to Florida are pretty much those very harms three sentences later.

>in fact, Utah is closer to Nevada than Florida is
So is Alberta and a bunch of Mexican states. Point being? Sue there maybe?

>some friends
Does this count as perjury?



Lmao this guy. "It's actually South Twain! It's just Hardin, Google Maps, USPS, the Court, the city council, and every compass ever who are bias and wrong!"

 

[DavidS877]

Lmao this guy. "It's actually South Twain! It's just Hardin, Google Maps, USPS, the Court, the city council, and every compass ever who are bias and wrong!"

I hate to say this, but at least one of the exhibits Mr Hardin included did have his old PO Box on it, the other one had a sticker over the entire address so you couldn't tell. Would have been better to include an exhibit with the wrong address and returned mail I think.

 

[Kosher Salt]

I hate to say this, but at least one of the exhibits Mr Hardin included did have his old PO Box on it, the other one had a sticker over the entire address so you couldn't tell. Would have been better to include an exhibit with the wrong address and returned mail I think.

They were both sent to the old address. The last couple of digits of the zip code weren't covered by the sticker. His new address would've had a different zip code.

 

[RodgerDodger]

*and the planned lawsuits against Alejandra Caraballo, Liz Fong-Jones, and Honeycomb

Let's not forget the inevitable Acerthorne lolsuit. Just because you know at some point he's going to.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Epik settlement was best case scenario as they were likely going to be the most expensive to deal with.

Nailing LFJ is the biggest hope for me. Out of everyone, he is the one most likely to have committed numerous crimes while trying to destroy us. I would assume the angle being taken is tortious interference, but we don't know yet. He's also the only one in a position to pay restitution for the damage done to KF. There's also a very real chance that getting to discovery with LFJ could implicate multiple powerful people and businesses in the tech industry. It could also be palatable for normies.

Greer is just the funniest because he's the biggest retard and represents himself. I'm thoroughly entertained watching him try to manipulate a judge that's having none of his bullshit. I'm also having fun knowing that Hardin is having fun beating the shit out of him. It's also the funniest case in the event that we lose, because it completely fucks over the internet to the benefit of one rat mouthed pervert.

I wonder if LFJ would ever decide to secretly fund Greer, because as long as null is focused on Greer he won't spend time suing LFJ which would force discovery - something we would completely pick apart.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Does this count as perjury?

It does bolster his claims that he is an incompetent Retard, so probably not perjury

 

[mindlessobserver]

Can you provide citations for everything except your first sentence? Especially in regards to Rule 12.

So, I am assuming you are asking whether or not you can file another Rule 12 motion to dismiss. The short answer is no, you can’t. Technically, this issue was already resolved by the 10th circuit. However, this is a Lolsuit and Lolsuits are fun because they break the legal system in interesting ways.

Simply put, you had no business getting a venue change in the first place. All Greer had to do to block it was make some bullshit up about judicial economy and inconvenience. There are safeguards that usually prevent a venue change after YEARS of bouncing between the appellate division and the district court at the preliminary stage before even an answer has been filed. It could have been as simple as “this court has had jurisdiction for so long, why give it up now”. Greer was a mongoloid though and didn’t even raise an objection, let alone a coherent response.

When I said I can think of no case like this one where its thrown out with a Rule 12, then brought back by the appeals court and then has a venue change to an entirely different district, I mean that. It presents a novel issue. Since the interpretation of the rules is based on guiding precedent, there really isn’t one for this specific issue. Which is this. Each Court is allowed leeway to interpret the rules within the confines of their own district. But the power to determine the rules rests solely with the Supreme Court by Congressional Statute. What one court rules can be Persuasive to how a different court will rule, but if the instant court is not subject to the other courts orders, then it is not a Precedent. The big case you need to know about is Sibbach v. Wilson & Company

In Sibbach the issue was over conflicting laws in different jurisdictions and which law should be applied. So it was not a question of conflicting circuit opinion per se, but close enough. The court held that the rules of procedure are just that. Procedural. Not Substantive. Since we still have not gotten to a defense ANSWER yet, a compelling argument could be made that we are still at the preliminary stage of litigation where the exact same Rule 12 motion you used to get rid of Greer initially could be reintroduced. Because while the 10th circuit may have decided on it, the 11th circuit has not yet had the opportunity to do so. What does still exist is your substantive right to a fair trial, and if this case is to proceed under the 11th circuit's banner, then the 11th should have the opportunity to weigh in on its merits.

They could still agree with what the 10th circuit said though.

 

[Goofy Logic]

Simply put, you had no business getting a venue change in the first place. All Greer had to do to block it was make some bullshit up about judicial economy and inconvenience. There are safeguards that usually prevent a venue change after YEARS of bouncing between the appellate division and the district court at the preliminary stage before even an answer has been filed. It could have been as simple as “this court has had jurisdiction for so long, why give it up now”. Greer was a mongoloid though and didn’t even raise an objection, let alone a coherent response.

So what you are saying this is going to be entirely new legal ground because Greer fucked up by being a manchild and sticking his head in the sand, and the 10th circuit was fed up with this trash fire of a Court case?

Grab hold of yer butts, the Kiwis are riding this to the ground!

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Utah:


Despite it being transferred and given a case number, it does not yet appear on Pacer

Documents 99-1, 99-2 not attached due to to them being files we already have

a defense ANSWER yet

They filed an answer two months ago (docket 66)

 

[ScooterL]

I hate to say this, but at least one of the exhibits Mr Hardin included did have his old PO Box on it, the other one had a sticker over the entire address so you couldn't tell

The one in #91 is postmarked Jan 18 2024, and the one in #94 is postmarked Dec 26 2023.

Russell filed his notice of his new (fake) address on Jan 19. Looks to me like they were both sent to the address that was on record at the time, and Russell closed the PO box before he told the court about it.

Russell should have probably looked at the dates on the envelopes before he filed his unhinged "response".

Also #94:



Can't mail something to an address that doesn't exist at all.

>some friends
Does this count as perjury?

He probably means his lawyer BFF and mentor Ken Carter, who luckily survived the firebombing of his car by Kiwi Orchards.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They filed an answer two months ago (docket 66)

I suppose that does complicate my already whackadoo theory. I still like it though for various reasons, chief among them being that its funny.

 

[DavidS877]

Can't mail something to an address that doesn't exist at all.

Of course you can. But assuming Mr Hardin did send stuff to the new wrong address he should be getting the returned letters about now, knowing how fast the USPS works.

Or I guess he could have just entered the address into an on-line stamp service and showed a screenshot of "Address does not exist".

Like this one:

 

[Betonhaus]

Is there some sort of system where regular mail sent to an incorrect address usually gets its address corrected and delivered, but government and legal mail with an incorrect address will always be returned as undeliverable?

 

[DavidS877]

Is there some sort of system where regular mail sent to an incorrect address usually gets its address corrected and delivered, but government and legal mail with an incorrect address will always be returned as undeliverable?

You can put various markings on it to indicate what should be done.
For instance my new driver's license envelope is marked: "Do Not Forward"
Normal first class mail is forwarded if a forwarding order is provided, like from his PO Box to the new address. In the olden days a letter like one to Russ with the wrong address would likely be corrected at the local post office when a human saw it. Now all sorting is done centrally and it's likely the computer would just kick it out and return it.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

Lmao this guy. "It's actually South Twain! It's just Hardin, Google Maps, USPS, the Court, the city council, and every compass ever who are bias and wrong!"

I need the case to go on enough for a judge to officially and legally yell at him for this

 

[Post Reply]

I need the case to go on enough for a judge to officially and legally yell at him for this

I hope Russ flies all the way down to Florida to plead his plights just to get screamed at like Judge Schroeder did to Binger in the Rittenhouse trial.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I like that we ended the case in Utah with a nice clean 100 entries in the case.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

get screamed at like Judge Schroeder did to Binger in the Rittenhouse trial.

absolute HAVE OCK