💪 Tough Guys Patrick Sean Tomlinson / @stealthygeek / "Torque Wheeler" / @RealAutomanic / Kempesh / Padawan v2.5 - "Conservative" sci-fi author with TDS, armed "drunk with anger management issues" and terminated parental rights, actual tough guy, obese, paid Quasi, paid thousands to be repeatedly unbanned from Twitter

[Piggle Rick]

On a related question, did Dan give an estimate of how tall Fat looks to him?

Dan has been disappointingly quiet, despite promising to upload the 27 pages as soon as he got home. I don’t know how long it takes to get home to Somerville from Milwaukee though (and Cbf looking it up). I hope he’s still in transit and not just dragging it out until his Friday night podcast, in hopes of making us all sit through hours of filler before he shows it to us. I believe he has form for that kind of thing.

 

[Divine right to rule]

I think a Kafkaesque novel about a hell of his own creation would work, if he had a fantastic editor.

Patrick is beyond the help of any editor. He is so aggressively untalented, he could only produce good art by pure accident.

 

[OtherLastTrainHome]

Patrick is beyond the help of any editor. He is so aggressively untalented, he could only produce good art by pure accident.

i think his alleged editors are beyond saving altogether.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Isn’t the reason for the 5.7 pistol/submachinegun round for armor piercing?

I would have thought that even if a home invader wore a flak jacket, the everyday pump action shotgun favored by most home defense shooters would be enough to knock them off their feet?

My point being, it’s a strange choice for civilians.

Now that all the days excitement has concluded (for now) I can sperg about guns.

In the simplest of terms The 5.7X28mm was made to repel specifically paratrooper comies, NATO didn't want the army truck drivers and army cooks to be caught off guard armed with only the M9 pistol to fight off commie paratroopers with AK's and body armor in the event a large infantry somehow manages to show up behind the lines and catch all the non-combat troops without a good means of fighting. They also wanted other non infantry troops such as artillery and tank troops to have something they could have that was smaller and lighter than the M16A2, something that wouldn't get in the way of their specific jobs. Ball 9mm is very poor as a lethal round and will not penetrate any properly rated body armor I am aware of. NATO wanted to give all non infantry troops a light carbine capable of defeating at the time, Russian body armor, something much lighter and smaller than the M16A2. The P90 met the criteria but, the 5.7 round is not very effective as a wounding cartridge than the 5.56, the 5.56 also has some outstanding AP loads. In simple terms the M4 platform, your basic bitch walmart AR-15 is far far superior to FN P90 for general lethality, armor piercing ability, terminal ballistics, range, literally everything . The real P90 In full auto is not bad, Full auto when controlled is very lethal, still under-powered but if you are civilian you're never going to lawfully own one of these, ever. You lose all that compact maneuverability if you are going to buy the lame civilian PS90, fatty purchased. The 16" barrel ruins your ability to make a tight corner inside a building. It was also mentioned here the "blue tips" armor piercing 5.7X28mm cartridges are impossible to own for civilians. I guess fatty could reload 5.7 brass with his own AP projectiles but, he put a Chinese rifle comp on a pistol, he is not smart enough to reload ammo, not to mention he has no garage.

Like I said before I think fatty purchased one because he of a video game or some smooth talking sales clerk talked him into it. I'm sure the local Police department would love to know all about it if he purchased it specifically for the means of defeating soft body armor, the same worn by police officers and such.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

 

[FinnSven]

Like I said before I think fatty purchased one because he of a video game or some smooth talking sales clerk talked him into it. I'm sure the local Police department would love to know all about it if he purchased it specifically for the means of defeating soft body armor, the same worn by police officers and such.

Thank you for the explanation.

Am I correct in thinking however that being shot with a typical 12 gauge firing shotgun, at the kind of range a homeowner would do, even if wearing any kind of body armor would still be enough to put them down?

Sure they will probably be still alive, but with some horribly busted ribs?

 

[Spunt]

Sure they will probably be still alive, but with some horribly busted ribs?

Pat has been mercilessly busting ribs all week without firing a shot.

 

[Dan tease in fur know]

i feel like i just got a bunch of socks for christmas. i hold out hope this is just the prelude to fugitive pat as he tries to evade his debtors living life on the lam but still tweeting at his toilet and liver.

 

[FinnSven]

Pat has been mercilessly busting ribs all week without firing a shot.

Just as Hunter Thompson’s life was a crime in progress, Fat’s life is a hilarious improv skit in progress.

 

[I'mThePatMan!]

After reading the first page of the ManiFatso I remembered this:

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Thank you for the explanation.

Am I correct in thinking however that being shot with a typical 12 gauge firing shotgun, at the kind of range a homeowner would do, even if wearing any kind of body armor would still be enough to put them down?

Sure they will probably be still alive, but with some horribly busted ribs?

I'm no expert but, the laws of physics are pretty simple the force is equal between the projectile and the firearm, the projectile just moves much faster because it's lighter. 00Buck pellets will not pass through common 2A body armor I would imagine it would be painful but, broken ribs? I would guess not so much. I can't recall a home invasion suspect ever wearing Kevlar. There have been some elaborate bank robberies over the years. If anyone want's to defeat body armor a plain AR-15 5.56 rifle and some green tip SS109 or M855 would be effective enough.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Thank you for the explanation.

Am I correct in thinking however that being shot with a typical 12 gauge firing shotgun, at the kind of range a homeowner would do, even if wearing any kind of body armor would still be enough to put them down?

Sure they will probably be still alive, but with some horribly busted ribs?

I'm no expert but, the laws of physics are pretty simple the force is equal between the projectile and the firearm, the projectile just moves much faster because it's lighter. 00Buck pellets will not pass through common 2A body armor I would imagine it would be painful but, broken ribs? I would guess not so much. I can't recall a home invasion suspect ever wearing Kevlar. There have been some elaborate bank robberies over the years. If anyone want's to defeat body armor a plain AR-15 5.56 rifle and some green tip SS109 or M855 would be effective enough.

A 12 gauge slug at home defense range would fuck you up, even wearing Level III, thats gonna knock you on your ass probably with a fractured sternum.
Those 12 gauge magnum slugs are no joke.
Also its actually black tip 5.56 that are the AP rounds, green tip will get the job done though in most situations.
As for the PS90, I guess if you SBR it its not too bad, its just the civilian version has been cucked by the ATF out of all the things that make the P90 worth having, and I'm not sure about the internals of a PS90 but if you like wasting ammo I'd be willing to bet its a lot harder to convert to auto than just dropping in a bent wire coat hanger like you said you're better with an AR15.

 

[FinnSven]

I'm no expert but, the laws of physics are pretty simple the force is equal between the projectile and the firearm, the projectile just moves much faster because it's lighter. 00Buck pellets will not pass through common 2A body armor I would imagine it would be painful but, broken ribs? I would guess not so much. I can't recall a home invasion suspect ever wearing Kevlar. There have been some elaborate bank robberies over the years. If anyone want's to defeat body armor a plain AR-15 5.56 rifle and some green tip SS109 or M855 would be effective enough.

So as I said in my original point, a P90 or other weapon chambered in any 5.7 would be a strange choice for “home protection”.
Unless Fat thinks that his stalkers or Nazis with a bone to pick are going to burst into his home with Soviet era body armor, then like everything else he thinks, he has made a horribly misinformed choice.

I mean of course any gun would be better than no gun. But he really needs to reassess his priorities.

Spoiler: Question for Troon Patrol

Sorry, while you are gun sperging, and I take it you are from the USA, is it standard or mandatory for a gun safe to be required for any firearms in the US?
In the EU and Britain, while I can’t speak 100% for every country, it’s common that a gun owner has to have the guns stored in a safe while not using.
British law clearly stipulates too that ammunition has to be stored in a separate safe and said safes have to be behind an additional locked door.

I realize that with things like open/concealed carry and people who live in rented accommodation in the US, this wouldn’t be practical for all forms of gun ownership, but are certain weapons subject to additional regulation?
Please Dm if you don’t want to further Sperg or derail the thread.

 

[Next Task]

I hope he’s still in transit and not just dragging it out until his Friday night podcast, in hopes of making us all sit through hours of filler before he shows it to us. I believe he has form for that kind of thing.

It's a distinct possibility, but to be fair he did go and get the thing. Generally, when someone has gained the attention of the cow - especially when their real identity has been involved - it goes straight to their head, though. Dan puts in some hard yards, but that also comes with a strong tendency to trip over his own feet.

Just as Hunter Thompson’s life was a crime in progress, Fat’s life is a hilarious improv skit in progress.

Pat would be the worst improv performer. 'Yes and? No, child. Didn't happen.'

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

OK, this is not some vague "Wrong as always" and "Enjoy prison", this is openly stating that he's not going to pay the debt he just agreed to pay today.
Looks like it's not over yet, bros.

I think he is doing verbal judo, notice the language "WE WERE never going to pay them". As in this was a past state of affairs.

Also lends credence to the theory that pat himself didn't pay but I think SWA forced a payment to quasi to make sure their financial books won't be looked at. Per the other forum it explains pat's outburst at the court.

 

[Kane Lives]

I think he is doing verbal judo, notice the language "WE WERE never going to pay them". As in this was a past state of affairs.

Also lends credence to the theory that pat himself didn't pay but I think SWA forced a payment to quasi to make sure their financial books won't be looked at. Per the other forum it explains pat's outburst at the court.

I'm not terribly well versed in pat-lore re: SWA stuff but why would SWA fear this? Isn't it only Pat (and Nikky) on the hook here?

 

[Procrastinhater]

as I said in my original point, a P90 or other weapon chambered in any 5.7 would be a strange choice for “home protection”.
Unless Fat thinks that his stalkers or Nazis with a bone to pick are going to burst into his home with Soviet era body armor, then like everything else he thinks, he has made a horribly misinformed choice.

My guess he bought it because it was used on Stargate and various other SciFi movies and it is a cool looking gun, without that dumb 16" barrel, and the salesmen sold him on 5.7's reputed AP capabilities, failing to mention that most 5.7 sold to civilians is both expensive and anaemic compared to NATO AP loads.
Sure if you reload (and if you shoot enough I'd recommend anyone to get themselves a bench, the initial cost is more than repaid by savings if you're out every weekend or even a couple times a month) you can get hardened rounds and tailor your loads but Pats a moron, he'd likely blow his face off trying to hotload, so what he's left with is an SMG thats single fire, has a stupid overlong barrel negating the whole point of a compact, and that takes 50 round magazines of overpriced, anaemic ammo, that is still never the less likely to over penetrate drywall and endanger his neighbors.
If he wanted something cool looking he'd be better with an X95, I've got one and for a Bullpup its fucking great, I still prefer my DDM4v7 but once you put a trigger pack in it doesn't even have the weird creep you get with bullpups, it's easy to switch out barrels to run either 5.56 or .300BLK which with a suppressor and subsonics will save your hearing.
The PS90 though is just a weird choice and shows Pat doesn't really know his stuff, as if all the weird Chinese shit on that shitty Glock didn't already say that loud and clear.

 

[Maude Snew]

I'm not terribly well versed in pat-lore re: SWA stuff but why would SWA fear this? Isn't it only Pat (and Nikky) on the hook here?

They paid for the original suit, sank a cool hundred thousand of their member's dues into it. They might not want their books checked as it could be detrimental to them and depending on if they expect Rick to pay it back or not it might have tax implications, but also only for Rick. It would just be really embarrassing for them and they might have some other dumb shit on the books.

Edit: Checked too hard I mean. As a non profit they have to file all their financials openly and anybody can look into them as they wish.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

I'm not terribly well versed in pat-lore re: SWA stuff but why would SWA fear this? Isn't it only Pat (and Nikky) on the hook here?

My understanding is that the SWA passes themselves off as a charity which gives them tax benefits, so it is supposed to be things like helping with medical bills or whatever, so them dropping 100k for Pat to sue people for calling him fat online is a misuse of funds generated by member dues that implies there's other misuse of the funds that the IRS would not appreciate under close examination.

The theory as I saw it on the OnA forum is that if Pat just doesn't pay up and drags it out with debtor exams it opens their books to examination too because they paid for his legal fees and such.

More detail in this post to give credit to the guy who convinced me of this: https://new.onaforums.net/threads/i-wanna-see-the-contempt-movie.42269/post-955011

The SWA dropping additional thousands to quash motions previously and Pat's reported behavior up until the literal last moment when the lawyers spoke to the judge with Pat just coping and sneeding in the background is what sells this theory to me.

 

[Procrastinhater]

My understanding is that the SWA passes themselves off as a charity which gives them tax benefits, so it is supposed to be things like helping with medical bills or whatever, so them dropping 100k for Pat to sue people for calling him fat online is a misuse of funds generated by member dues that implies there's other misuse of the funds that the IRS would not appreciate under close examination.

The theory as I saw it on the OnA forum is that if Pat just doesn't pay up and drags it out with debtor exams it opens their books to examination too because they paid for his legal fees and such.

More detail in this post to give credit to the guy who convinced me of this: https://new.onaforums.net/threads/i-wanna-see-the-contempt-movie.42269/post-955011

The SWA dropping additional thousands to quash motions previously and Pat's reported behavior up until the literal last moment when the lawyers spoke to the judge with Pat just coping and sneeding in the background is what sells this theory to me.

That would also give Technicality Tomlinson the wiggle room to self satisfiedly claim that he isn't paying, so its an interesting possibility.