💊 Manosphere Andrew Tate / Top G / Cobratate - Egotistical MRA "influencer", arrested for trafficking in Romania, lied about having lung cancer

[gamer2014]

Alpha M take on this

really awkward on how he wants to assume Tate is innocent, but also thinks he's guilty.

 

[WolfeTone]

Also how could this affect other manosphere YT channels like Alpha M, teachingmenfashion etc..... Because most of their audience are Tate supporters, despite them denying it.

Couldn't wager an educated guess, but I really do hope this signals an end to the era of Alpha Dog PUA Hustler Pimp culture. These people are absolute dogshit, some of the most annoying people to be around. You think, "awh, I gotta hang around shitty people sometimes cause that's the nature of business" and true true true, you gotta put yourself around fire if you want food. But these people are hard-wiring themselves to maximize pathology. These are the people that play destructive heart-attack inducing pranks on people. Who make their car so loud it wakes your baby up in their crib. Who'd kick you out in the middle of a storm on Christmas if they could profit. Who would never, ever share anything with anyone because a stronger society means a higher bar, and makes them look less impressive in comparison. Like all scarcity economics aficionados, they're always forced to destroy more than create. And the long term negative effects of these low-IQ golems on society is disastrous.

 

[Jeh0va]

These people are absolute dogshit, some of the most annoying people to be around.

Exactly this. the people dealing with these issues should go out more and find hobbies to meet people and stop surrounding them with these dogshit people, they need to find people that will tell you you're being a retard. those people will be more valuable then some like Tate who is just trying to earn money from these mongoloids. being able to smoke cigars and fuck all the women doesn't make you a man. e.g. being there and able to protect those you love, having your emotions in check, having actual fucking morals and values and knowing when not to give a fuck is more manly than making 3k/month.

 

[CatharticShitHead]

Alpha M take on this

https://youtube.com/watch?v=s22t6AgQnJo
really awkward on how he wants to assume Tate is innocent, but also thinks he's guilty.

Although awkward, I think the position he takes is ultimately the most normie but righteous one to take. I think I share much of the same sentiment.

Did Tate really do it? I don't know. Need more time to see how this all shakes out. I think it's weird how they tried to book him before, let him go, and then got him again. It makes me think that maybe they did find something. But If the American law system is fucked, then I can safely assume that literally every other country's law system is fucked. So ultimately, I don't know if Tate is trafficking humans.

Am I happy about this? No. At least not yet. I've seen a lot of orbiters of Tate say that this is a political maneuver or that it's the "matrix" trying to shut him up and all I can think of when I see that is that they're all on massive copium doses. If Tate did do it, I'd be happy to see all of the orbiters shut the fuck up because I genuinely hate it when people worship someone as if they're the next messiah. But on the other hand, if Tate didn't do it then all their loud dick slurping will have been justified.

Ultimately, I think Andrew Tate is a loud annoying fuckwit who scams his fans with bullshit financial advice that you could get for free. I'm reserving any judgment until we have all the facts, as reasonable people should do. Just like M in the video says. "If you didn't do it, that sucks and I hope you get out of it. If you did do it, then that sucks too".

Andrew is an okay fighter but I don't think he deserves the moniker "Cobra". And I have nothing to say about Tristan except for "Get off your brother's dick and make your own money you leech".

 

[JaneThough]

You know what truly successful people don’t do? Talk endlessly about how successful they are.

 

[AgendaPoster]

While neurotic Jordan Peterson or disconigger Andrew Tate might not be the greatest male role models you can pick for tutelage on the arduous journey of manhood, local redfacedfatfuckpig who encourages you to hit on the pub harlot isn't exactly the greatest either.

It's nearly 2023, people are too stupid to bother with sentences and nuance, memes like the one in your quote is the maximum amount of "intellectual" engagement you'll be able to extract.

 

[Dread First]

While you're right about Tate being a grifter, this take is fucking awful and is part of the reason why we even have this problem in the first place.

Hi. Man who grew up with absentee parents here. I want to say that your apologist bullshit is seriously giving me indigestion.

You do realise that it's fundamentally fucking retarded to centralise one, and only one person as a role model, right? Human beings are never static; they are constantly growing and evolving. Everyone has their own internal reality that does not correspond with the ideal, no matter how much they try to posture to the contrary.

My father spent my entire childhood and teen years toiling away on the night shift to make we had food on the table. That is extremely admirable to me, as an adult, but that was fucking frustrating to me as a child/teenager. Am I supposed to overlook the fact that my father was largely absent from my formative years, and now it's like I'm talking to a stranger who still thinks eighth grade was yesterday? He's only a good role model with hindsight.

There are countless other men in one's life that a young man can turn to for guidance. I know we don't trust the school system nowadays, but I still vividly remember tons of men I took guidance from. Teachers, counsellors, principals, deans, even the fucking security guards. Okay, you don't trust the school system flat-out? How about the local library? There are tons of male librarians, and volunteering at a library is probably a lot more conducive to healthy male psychological growth than simping for a maladapted manlet who views women as literal property. Ignoring that, volunteer work is something that people can find meaningful relationships out of.

There are countless men in our lives, and the overwhelming majority of them are either neutral at best or abject filth (case in point: any XY-chromosome/penis-bearing human being with a Kiwi Farms thread). With that said, the few men in your life that you can think of that you can find more than 3 unique, positive things to say about are probably worth 10x more their weight in gold than Andrew Tate's drivel.

Stop fucking apologising for retards who made bad choices. Filth like you make it fucking impossible for men everywhere else to take accountability for themselves.

 

[Terra Pax]

Not sure why he thought he could do his stuff in Romania without getting bothered, Romania has been cracking down hard on organised sex-work and pimping for the last decade or so as it attempts to clean itself up.

For the same reason that people would chip in. for years, telling Null to the Kiwifarms servers to Russia. It goes something like.

"The East is based, and the West is not. Their women are all HOT. They don't like gays or trannies, or feminists. I may not speak any of their language, read anything they natively produce, or have ever been there... but the boys on 4chan seem pretty cool. I bet I could walk into any little pub in the whole country and sit with Boris and Ivan, and talk all day about how we hate Muslims and Gays and I'd just be another local."

There was something like that earlier in this thread were someone said, maybe they were cool with Tate until he became a Muslim? As if Tate is important enough to warrant some bespoke database that logs all his quotes and somebody is waiting over it to determine whether he's suddenly not-based enough to go after. Because he's mildly famous on the English speaking web? It's a bizarre way of viewing the various systems that make up a society with tens of millions of moving people parts in.

Now Tate has money, and since he I don't believe that he believe's anything he says, then it's probably not that simplistic. But one thing that always rang true was his belief in his own invincivibility. He has said as much in some of his appearances - specifically that they don't have #metoo out in Romania and it was a major factor in his moving there. Consequently, obviously they won't care if I, Andrew Tate, start swanning around as some obnoxious, rich immigrant with my 33 cars and mansion and am an accessory to sex crimes. What are they going to do? Believe the woman's proofless accusations? There's no #meetoo out here. He has Romanian contacts, presumably the other people who were arrested, and he was probably assured everything will be fine and told that any trouble could be bribed away.

 

[Jacob Schiff]

So Romania get the benefits of diversity, i.e. experiencing a foreign culture and its exports, from safety and behind a controlled barrier, where the majority ethnic group and religion always remain in control, and are so prevalent that there is no need to force things explicitly, it's an implicit societal attitude that Muslims are foreign and should never become important enough to change the country in any way.

South Eastern Europe have huge numbers of Romania people. The gap in fertility rates between ethnic slavs and them is as bad as the gap between Europeans and muslims.

We have a widespread issue of young men and boys who lack a male role model and direction in their life. I really don't blame them for following Tate as their internet daddy. The real issue is that we lack positive male rolemodels that aren't either a grifter, cuck, degenerate, or some mixture of the 3.

The issue with the few (seemingly) legit internet male role models I know, is that they are so disconnected from society that following is difficult.
Tate is exploiting modern ideals. A traditionalist with 7 children is stepping completely outside them.

 

[Slur Generator]

Hi. Man who grew up with absentee parents here. I want to say that your apologist bullshit is seriously giving me indigestion.

You do realise that it's fundamentally fucking retarded to centralise one, and only one person as a role model, right? Human beings are never static; they are constantly growing and evolving. Everyone has their own internal reality that does not correspond with the ideal, no matter how much they try to posture to the contrary.

My father spent my entire childhood and teen years toiling away on the night shift to make we had food on the table. That is extremely admirable to me, as an adult, but that was fucking frustrating to me as a child/teenager. Am I supposed to overlook the fact that my father was largely absent from my formative years, and now it's like I'm talking to a stranger who still thinks eighth grade was yesterday? He's only a good role model with hindsight.

There are countless other men in one's life that a young man can turn to for guidance. I know we don't trust the school system nowadays, but I still vividly remember tons of men I took guidance from. Teachers, counsellors, principals, deans, even the fucking security guards. Okay, you don't trust the school system flat-out? How about the local library? There are tons of male librarians, and volunteering at a library is probably a lot more conducive to healthy male psychological growth than simping for a maladapted manlet who views women as literal property. Ignoring that, volunteer work is something that people can find meaningful relationships out of.

There are countless men in our lives, and the overwhelming majority of them are either neutral at best or abject filth (case in point: any XY-chromosome/penis-bearing human being with a Kiwi Farms thread). With that said, the few men in your life that you can think of that you can find more than 3 unique, positive things to say about are probably worth 10x more their weight in gold than Andrew Tate's drivel.

Stop fucking apologising for retards who made bad choices. Filth like you make it fucking impossible for men everywhere else to take accountability for themselves.

Absent father is one of the biggest indicator for crime, drug use, poor academic achievements, and many other things, none good. The fact is that those other men that you point out that could possibly guide you have very little incentive to do so. Teachers don't have time to father dozens of children at a time, even if they actually cared and put in the effort.

I'm not defending Tate at all but I can see why someone might see Tate as a solution to their problems when mass media is telling men to be weak faggots that step aside for m'lady.

 

[JaneThough]

Absent father is one of the biggest indicator for crime, drug use, poor academic achievements, and many other things, none good. The fact is that those other men that you point out that could possibly guide you have very little incentive to do so. Teachers don't have time to father dozens of children at a time, even if they actually cared and put in the effort.

I'm not defending Tate at all but I can see why someone might see Tate as a solution to their problems when mass media is telling men to be weak faggots that step aside for m'lady.

So maybe laws should be stricter on men who knock women up. Maybe they shouldn’t have the opportunity to be absentee. Raise your kid of your own volition or you’re put on house arrest with the only caveat to go to work to support the child you made.

But I feel like the manosphere that screams about absentee fathers would also cry about this because it’s not actually about any of this.

 

[Thought precriminal]

Absent father is one of the biggest indicator for crime, drug use, poor academic achievements, and many other things, none good.

Absent mother is worse, but no one talks about it, probably because motherless children are mostly harmless and timid, whereas fatherless children are more likely to be antisocial, as you pointed out. The mother is critical because, among other things, she is the primary caregiver, which means the child develops an attachment style through its interaction with the mother and a basis for all further interaction with other human beings. The fact that sending kids off to nursery and encouraging mothers to work is a new phenomenon and a radical shift from what was the norm for most of human history raises some concern. But again, no one talks about it.
I think it's worth considering. Throughout history and in most societies the father would, on average, be absent far more than he is today; and the mother (or substitute primary caregiver) would be absent far less than she is today.

 

[yydszmiteg2]

So maybe laws should be stricter on men who knock women up. Maybe they shouldn’t have the opportunity to be absentee. Raise your kid of your own volition or you’re put on house arrest with the only caveat to go to work to support the child you made.

This would be a terrible idea for society. Suddenly you have men who want nothing to do with women because they could poke a hole in a condom and get the man as a permanent slave who only leaves to work. The chilling effect it would have would drop the birth rate of natives even harder.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

This would be a terrible idea for society. Suddenly you have men who want nothing to do with women because they could poke a hole in a condom and get the man as a permanent slave who only leaves to work. The chilling effect it would have would drop the birth rate of natives even harder.

What?! Responsibility???
It'd destroy us all!!!

 

[King Possum]

I find it incredibly unsurprising that the crowd in a moral panic over 'groomers' is suddenly defensive and deflective when a member of their group is outed as a predator. It just goes to show that it was never about morality to them, just petty tribalism. He's been documented saying "women are property" and shown in video beating women, but they excuse it all away. Equally unsurprising are the idiots who think he's some form of god who the "matrix" is out to get for some dumb reason, even though if the government really wanted him dead he would already be six feet under.



Rather unrelated to my rant, what sort of societal backlash do you think will occur as a result of the "hustler" philosophy? More emasculation? Or will nothing major come of it?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I find it incredibly unsurprising that the crowd in a moral panic over 'groomers' is suddenly defensive and deflective when a member of their group is outed as a predator.

You should have seen how second wave KKK ended.

 

[Dread First]

Absent father is one of the biggest indicator for crime, drug use, poor academic achievements, and many other things, none good. The fact is that those other men that you point out that could possibly guide you have very little incentive to do so. Teachers don't have time to father dozens of children at a time, even if they actually cared and put in the effort.

You're missing the point entirely, you degenerate. The point isn't to father maladapted men. The absence of a central father figure is a fundamental handicap that men who find themselves in that situation must grit their teeth and accept. Filling that void will only lead to disaster because suddenly any boorish oaf with the secret sauce like Tate can galvanise an entire generation of maladapted men into becoming a widespread societal problem.

I can't speak for other people, but I had to learn from a young age that adults are flawed as hell and that I can't rely on any single person. I have a perception of what the ideal man should be like. But I must emphasise that it's a hazy amalgam of individual traits from dozens (if not hundreds) of men that I've met in my life that have left a positive impact on me. I think we've forgotten that we should be putting more emphasis on the virtue being extolled, and not the person who's preaching said virtue.

I'm not defending Tate at all but I can see why someone might see Tate as a solution to their problems when mass media is telling men to be weak faggots that step aside for m'lady.

Again, one evil does not make another evil acceptable. Even rationalising it like that is fucking idiotic. It's easy to see why they latch onto him, and that's why it's fucking wrong. Sympathy should only be given to these people if you're willing to give them a firm hand. Are you personally willing to give anyone in Andrew Tate's orbit a firm hand? I don't think so.

 

[Fools Idol]

Here's my "definitely was bullied in school and is still insecure about " list. How many does our boy Andy check off?

• Lisping.
• Chinless.
• Bald.
• Hates women.
• Probably a closeted homo.
• Shitty "manly" tattoos.
• Gym rat.
• "Fighter".
• Obsessed with facade wealth.
• Gun culture.

Ding, ding, ding we've got ourselves a massive faggot boys. Really, if you need dipshit like this to tell you how to be a man then your already a lost cause.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I'm not defending Tate at all but I can see why someone might see Tate as a solution to their problems when mass media is telling men to be weak faggots that step aside for m'lady.

"muh mass media and feminism made men weak and suck Tate's balls"

Do you honestly not realize how pathetic you're making men look? All it took for them to completely implode, and whore themselves out to some bald degenerate was shitty commercials, and women being able to get a job? Way to help the cause, dude. No wonder no one takes this shit seriously.

Newsflash: Women had to actually deal with the mass media calling them shit, and that didn't stop them, so why should it stop men? This all just sounds like another excuse to keep being a victim.

 

[Str8Bustah]

Hi. Man who grew up with absentee parents here. I want to say that your apologist bullshit is seriously giving me indigestion.

You do realise that it's fundamentally fucking retarded to centralise one, and only one person as a role model, right? Human beings are never static; they are constantly growing and evolving. Everyone has their own internal reality that does not correspond with the ideal, no matter how much they try to posture to the contrary.

My father spent my entire childhood and teen years toiling away on the night shift to make we had food on the table. That is extremely admirable to me, as an adult, but that was fucking frustrating to me as a child/teenager. Am I supposed to overlook the fact that my father was largely absent from my formative years, and now it's like I'm talking to a stranger who still thinks eighth grade was yesterday? He's only a good role model with hindsight.

There are countless other men in one's life that a young man can turn to for guidance. I know we don't trust the school system nowadays, but I still vividly remember tons of men I took guidance from. Teachers, counsellors, principals, deans, even the fucking security guards. Okay, you don't trust the school system flat-out? How about the local library? There are tons of male librarians, and volunteering at a library is probably a lot more conducive to healthy male psychological growth than simping for a maladapted manlet who views women as literal property. Ignoring that, volunteer work is something that people can find meaningful relationships out of.

There are countless men in our lives, and the overwhelming majority of them are either neutral at best or abject filth (case in point: any XY-chromosome/penis-bearing human being with a Kiwi Farms thread). With that said, the few men in your life that you can think of that you can find more than 3 unique, positive things to say about are probably worth 10x more their weight in gold than Andrew Tate's drivel.

Stop fucking apologising for retards who made bad choices. Filth like you make it fucking impossible for men everywhere else to take accountability for themselves.

Great post, and I'm glad things worked out for you considering your father was obviously a stand-up individual who cared about his family and you had a wide variety of equally great rolemodels to look up to as a kid, but how on earth does this disprove my point about male rolemodels not being un-necessary? I wasn't even saying you need a father present, just that you need some kind of well-adjusted male rolemodel.

The problem is that there's a metric fuckton of people out there who simply do not have access to shit like that for multiple reasons that have probably already been mentioned in this thread, which compounded with the problems of modern society leads zoomers and the mal-adjusted to latch onto people like Andrew Tate instead of someone actually worth a damn.